Chaos, mathematics and Jack's compass: Your fool-proof personalised guide to choosing your next watch.

Happy Tuesday Team WC!

This is 100% essential reading before you even contemplate buying another watch.

I promise you that I'm not going to fob you off with some wishy-washy, vacuous advice like "Just buy what you love!", which is of zero use, because either we have no idea what we love, or love is not enough, otherwise we would not be repeatedly driven to seek advice from random people off the internet.

First, let's check out the WC action from the past week, then I will solve all your watch buying problems.

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Three quick bites from WC this week for those in a rush…

  1. Come share your most adventurous exploits while watch wearing, with @Ben_ImperialWatchCo

  2. Marvel at @Nathannn’s awesome ai generated watches.

  3. Keep up to date with @Aurelian's #1WC challenge.

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New members:

New members who I’ve seen posting this week…

@srmusic @marc1979 @tivvy98 @RolloPollo @Landsperson @Mutated_Cupboard @Phimaux @Harrys_horology @AlanBrom

Welcome everyone!

Hot Posts:

This weeks topics that got the community talking…

“Do you have a brand preference in your watch collecting?” - @Edykhemod

“What type of watch would you never own?” - @James12345

“Watches every collector should have” - @Nicksen

“Lume shot battle” - @Luca_WTC

“It’s official: Seiko has been gentafied” - @tonmed

“This is a great model” - @Lord_dappingtonshire

“Has anyone in public ever complimented your watch?” - @samdeatton

“Do you love textured dials? Show yours” - @ars3nal02

“Your next watch?” - @imdvon

“Case size 34mm too small for a man?” - @Lord_dappingtonshire

“Please be honest, is it going to be ok?” - @Dochorahan

“Do you have a brand preference in your watch collecting?” - @Edykhemod

Meetups and Events:

12th June – The first 100 years of Patek Philippe – Online talk and meetup

20th June – Watch Meetup Solely for Ladies - London

14th – 16th July - Windup Watch Fair 2023 - Chicago

20th – 22nd October - Windup Watch Fair 2023 – New York

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Big thanks to @GasWorks for setting last weeks photography theme of ‘Sheep’. His very deserving winner this week was @GoingTopShelf with this excellently choreographed shot….

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Come see the runners up and find out the chosen theme for this weeks photos here, which has been kindly set by this weeks guest judge @Max .

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My picks from this past weeks watch releases.

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Top row, left to right: Tissot, Manero, IWC, Rudis, Casio

Bottom row: Seiko, Certina, Isotope, Longines, Hamilton.

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Updates from the YouTubers, Podcasters, bloggers and brand owners in our community...

“Hello: Quick intro, bio and offer”@clipse94

“Proxima Review”@HonestWatchReviews

“Horology part 5: The history of digital watches”@the_poor_horologist

“Enicar: Your sherpa guide to an amazing vintage watch brand”@illuminatingwatches

“New Seiko 5 sports: Anniversary Snoopy edition”@HHWatchReviews

“Bolder Venture Titanium diver review”@HonestWatchReviews

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Longer posts from the knowledgeable and creative writers amongst the WC family….

“Watches under the microscope vol 16: Seiko 5”@Nooski

“Tudor ranger: The choice of destructive teenagers”@Dingus

“A tale of two Fears”@AllTheWatches

“A leap of faith: dNG design journal Chapter 10”@defsNOTgenta

“Rainbow month”@sagebrush

“Beers and dress watches”@mainreasontostay

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Chaos, mathematics and Jack's compass: Your fool proof personalised guide to choosing your next watch.

Poor watch buying decisions are the hidden epidemic in our community.

The impulse buying, watch flipping and sellers regret are so common place that we don't even see it as weird any more.

Every day there are posts from Crunchers asking for help with a watch choice, and these questions are probably being asked even after hours of internet research and YouTube watching, pouring over watch stats and scrolling through wrist shot images on Google.

I know. I've done it too.

There is a colossal amount of choice out there. I discovered exactly how much when I started to do the 'Latest watch releases' section for Bites. There could be 30+ releases each WEEK, and they were just the ones I heard about.

Add these into the bulging catalogue of watches already out there, and it's a ridiculous number of watches to choose from... plus the endless vintage options.

Throw into this mess the need to consider if a new watch is just a passing fad, or is it a keeper, which YouTubers opinion do we trust?....

And worst of all...

The completely and utterly unhelpful advice from the watch community.

If you ask for any kind of opinion on a watch… "Is this too big for my wrist?", "Is this watch too small?", "Does two-tone suit me?", “Should I choose this Tudor or that Rolex?”....

You'll always get someone (usually me) saying....

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Now, I love that we are such a friendly, accepting and non-judgmental place to be.... But man are we massively unhelpful at times.

It is true that anyone can wear any size, any brand, quartz, automatic, less than £10, more the £10k, Swiss made, American made…. whatever…. but this complete lack of rules is making watch buying a nightmare for some.

So, in this world without rules, where chaos reigns, how do we improve our chances of making a good watch choice, and buying something that will be loved and cherished beyond the honeymoon phase.

First, we need to look at why we buy watches in the first place.

You only buy a watch for one of two reasons.

For yourself, or for other people.

If you're buying a watch for yourself, then there are two traps you can fall into.

The first is being too openminded.

Now, you would think being openminded would be a good thing, right? If you're pretty easy to please, don't have particularly fixed ideas about what you like or dislike, then you'll be happy with anything you get, surely?

But the problem with this is that you risk getting stuck in a world where everything is perpetually 'ok'.

If pretty much anything will do then nothing ever disappoints…. because you’re an easy to please kinda person… but on the flip side, you can end up having standards that are so easy to meet, that before you know it you’ve filled you watch box with a bunch of vanilla watches which are ‘fine’ but none of which truly thrill you.

The other issue when you're buying watches for yourself is if you're too narrow minded.

These are the folks with the 20 point criteria tick list a watch has to pass before it can even get on the 'Maybe' list....

200m WR, no less than 38mm, no more than 40mm, only on a bracelet, no Roman numerals, no Mercedes hands, only Swiss made, no cyclops, must have a date complication.... etc etc...

Don't get me wrong, it's great to have strict criteria to keep you focused on what you know you like, but you are going to end up ruling out some awesome watches that could have been 'the one' for you if you'd have tried them on the wrist.

Next is the issue of buying for other people. I am convinced we all do this to some degree, and we just need to admit it and make peace with the fact.

We all care about our appearance and perception to others to a greater or lesser degree. It’s a spectrum which goes from full on flexing narcissist to the 'IDGAF' guy.... but even that guy will be projecting that FU attitude to a degree.

But, despite all doing it, we do know that buying watches purely to impress others is not a plan for long term happiness in watch collecting.

So, what’s the solution?

Usually all I do in these Bites is ask a load of questions and give you zero actual takeaway advice of any use...

Not today...

Here are your three fool-proof approaches to excellent watch buying decisions, each specifically tailored to your watch collecting personality type.

The Journeyers:

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This is my group.

We are the ones who unashamedly romanticise watch collecting as a journey of personal self-discovery. We envisage an end point of a perfectly crafted collection that has been honed through years of watch-wisdom and personal inner reflection.

We are the first ones to say "It is the journey, not the destination".

For us, our answer to excellent watch buying decisions is to use Jack Sparrows compass.

For those heathens amongst you who don't know your Pirates of the Caribbean lore, Jack's compass didn't point North, it pointed to whatever the person holding it wanted the most.

So, we need to think ‘What is our true north?’ That one thing for us to focus on when buying a watch.

Is it 'Uniqueness'? Do you crave watches that others don't own? Perhaps obscure 70's seikos', or Chinese microbrands.

Perhaps 'Value'? Maybe your ultimate joy is finding the most beautiful watches you can for less than a meal out.

Or 'Exploration'?

'Shiny'?

‘History’?

'Exquisite dials'?

‘Whisky’? (If that’s yours, let me know how that works out)

Pick your north and use Jack's compass with every watch you consider, to see if it's on the path of your journey.

The Logicians:

Now, if you read the above section and your reaction was...

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... you're in this group, with other notable Crunchers such as @Aurelian and @foghorn.

You find the concept of 'the journey' actually physically nauseating, and remain profoundly stoic in your choices.

You are the ones to say "We're all just consumers buying trinkets."

For you guys, the answers can be found in mathematics, in what I have termed:

"The Universal Equation of Watch Feels"

Personal meaning x (Aesthetics + Comfort + Difficulty obtaining) + Other people's opinions - Financial burden = Keeper Score

This carefully constructed and robust equation perfectly balances the intrinsic and extrinsic factors for consideration in watch purchasing and provides you with a black and white answer on whether you should purchase a watch.

The higher the Keeper Score, the greater the chance that your watch will last the honeymoon.

Put your favourite watch through the equation to find out its score, then compare all future purchases against this number. The closer they get to it, the better the watches longevity prospects in your collection.

The Harbingers of Chaos:

If you read the rules and equations suggested above and think…

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You are a harbinger of chaos, and you join other fine Crunchers such as @ichibunz and @Chronoguy.

You are just as likely to buy a Timex as an Omega... A Casio or a JLC... and when you post your latest NWA on WC, regardless of what it is, no one is surprised.

No one will ever say "That's a strange choice for you."... Because they know, for you, nothing is off the cards.

You guys don’t want help… and you don’t need it.

Some of you may be thinking, "Hang on, you said that someone who's ok with anything, can never be truly excited by anything?"

This does not apply to the Harbingers of Chaos, because they ARE truly excited and thrilled by most all watches, and when that's the case, there are no wrong choices.

Why do I call them the Harbingers of Chaos?

Because the danger is their infectious enthusiasm can rub off on others. People will start to think its ok to buy any watch at all. They will read their stories about their wonderful eclectic collections and think that that's the way to go for them too... that there is no wrong choice…

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But beware their siren song my friends. Grab your calculator and your compass and stay strong!

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Let me know what group you feel you are in, and share your True North!

Take care all,

Kaysia.

Disclaimer: Any watch choices made on the basis of imaginary compasses are the sole responsibility of the purchaser. Watch equations are calculated at the users own risk.

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I made it in this weeks Bites 🥳. Thank you for the mention 🙏🏻

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I definitely fall into he Logicians camp, I tend to analyze, then re-analyze buying decisions based on a range of factors including price, style, complications, size, and materials. No one factor can overcome the others, all must be in some from of balance. This is why I can never get excited about Seiko/GS fancy dials, they always come at a "cost" that is too great compared to other factors.

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Can’t Help it !! I ❤All of them.. All… of … then… I have for everyone 😂

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I think we all start out as journeyers and slowly change overtime as we refine our tastes. When I started out, I bought all kinds of affordable watches and slowly acquired my tastes based on usage. A 13.5mm thick watch won’t fit under my work clothes cuff? Won’t buy a watch like that again! Can’t get a good fit on a watch with 49.5mm lug to lug? Start looking at more compact pieces. I took those specifications (and others) under consideration when shopping and built a collection that reflects my lifestyle and personality.

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Because watches can become prohibitively expensive I take the logical approache but then that falls to crap when I see a watch that cuts through all that fog and connects with me aesthetically.

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No way! I won! Amazing. Now I gotta keep this going even though I'm no longer in the #1wc! Appreciate the shout out!

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Can I be all 3?

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Also!! I’m taking new members for the Harbinger of Chaos Club!! Must have at least 1 watch to apply and we can then transition you to other watches… 🍻😜

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GoingTopShelf

No way! I won! Amazing. Now I gotta keep this going even though I'm no longer in the #1wc! Appreciate the shout out!

The #1wc has produced two of the last three winners. The One Watch Challenge gets results.

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HHWatchReviews

I made it in this weeks Bites 🥳. Thank you for the mention 🙏🏻

You're very welcome 🍻

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KristianG

I definitely fall into he Logicians camp, I tend to analyze, then re-analyze buying decisions based on a range of factors including price, style, complications, size, and materials. No one factor can overcome the others, all must be in some from of balance. This is why I can never get excited about Seiko/GS fancy dials, they always come at a "cost" that is too great compared to other factors.

I think it's probably better to have that somewhat scientific approach though, rather than just aimlessly wandering the watch landscape like I do though 🫣

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I think that your formulation of the type of thinking that folks like me make is pretty accurate. In my case the "rarity" is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Old watches, no matter how well made or popular in their time, are rare. If 80% of this forum would form a consensus about which watch is best for whatever purpose or style I could almost guarantee that I would not have one. I was the guy who listened to Muswell Hillbillies in high school. Never changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQcf6qRMZMo

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The Logicians 100%

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Landsperson

Because watches can become prohibitively expensive I take the logical approache but then that falls to crap when I see a watch that cuts through all that fog and connects with me aesthetically.

Yeah, I'm utterly rubbish at boundary setting when it comes to watch buying.

I used to say I didn't like watches with a date magnifier, for example, but all it took was the right watch to change my mind...

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And then suddenly it's no longer a deal breaker.

Which is probably why just having a general theme to aim for in my collection will work better than a check list for me.

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seattlegirrlie

My biggest problem, if you can call it that, is that I have two different lives that I buy watches for. I have my professional life where the Cartier and the Rolex fit perfectly, the Tudor BB58 can hang out with the big dogs, and the GS shows up to the party with arrogance that it is secretly better than your Patek

But then I've got my personal life where my G-shock and my Islander happily play on their plastic straps and nobody cares what they cost

I care what my watch says about me in the first club. It says I'm successful, I'm smart and I'm in the cool club. I can ask you about your Big Eye or spot a VC across the room.

I am not trying to be a watch snob. I just spend a whole lot of my life living in that watch snob world, if that makes sense

I can completely identify with what you say.

I have many different aspects to my life and personality which get reflected in what I wear, including my watch.

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Fieldwalker

I’m About to disappear for 24 hours , but one last post before it gets too close to midnight. Yes, it’s for #1wc

We are the first ones to say "It is the journey, not the destination".

my ethos is even more blue water -

I like to think the journey IS the destination

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the journey IS the destination

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Wow.... You are the true leader of the Journeyers

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Tinfoiled14

I want an Alethiometer ! Not Jack’s compass 🧭

Having googled it... Yes! An Alethiometer would be very helpful!

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skinflint

I have been pondering my own personal purchase rules since reading this edition of Bites and I have whittled it down to these; Can I afford it? Well, price is, for most of us, a major factor and for me its got to be sub £50. Is it reliable? I have learnt from WC that there are many decent budget brands around. Do your homework and purchase wisely. Finally there is the WILAT test. Will I Look A Twat. If I couldn't look at my wrist without a sense of distaste then its a fail!

Not heard of the WILAT before! I need to use that one 👍

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PatrickinArgentina

That is a really good post and very well written Kaysia. You should write a book. This 3 step story streched out with real life funny, sad, dramatic stories. There is a fourth and fith category. D) all of the above E) None of the above .

Thank you for your kind comments.

You are quite right about 'all' and 'none', and as others have mentioned, maybe it's all somewhat cyclical in nature and filled with subcategories.

Maybe we all need to collectively do some completely unnecessary analysis and come up with our own collectors alignment catagories 😆

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DeeperBlue

@Ichibunz is going to need a big club house for you lot!

Also it’s going to be a BIG Tree house with a pulley elevator and you have to know the secret password to get in!!

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This is a live footage of our first Chaos meeting…

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😜

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DeeperBlue

Thank you for your kind comments.

You are quite right about 'all' and 'none', and as others have mentioned, maybe it's all somewhat cyclical in nature and filled with subcategories.

Maybe we all need to collectively do some completely unnecessary analysis and come up with our own collectors alignment catagories 😆

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This only reminds me of Dungeons and Dragons , I cheated up to the point I had an unbeatable level 23 anti-paladin . He was not Nice .Took me like ten years, got kicked out of of play clubs in Florida , London and France. Oups.

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DeeperBlue

@Ichibunz is going to need a big club house for you lot!

I think you meant "Recreational Compound Facility" @Ichibunz Sound good?

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501s_Watches

I think you meant "Recreational Compound Facility" @Ichibunz Sound good?

Some do call it that … but we prefer to call it the Chaos Cave !! Of Delights!! 😂

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PatrickinArgentina

This only reminds me of Dungeons and Dragons , I cheated up to the point I had an unbeatable level 23 anti-paladin . He was not Nice .Took me like ten years, got kicked out of of play clubs in Florida , London and France. Oups.

OMG how cool is that!

The badass of D&D... walking into game club like...

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Ichibunz

Also it’s going to be a BIG Tree house with a pulley elevator and you have to know the secret password to get in!!

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This is a live footage of our first Chaos meeting…

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Yes!! That would be so cool!

With a sign on the door...

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I think we Journeyers would have our meetings in a nice olde worlde pub, with a real fire and a Bard who would sing songs of our adventures...

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Mean while...

Logicians...

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DeeperBlue

Yes!! That would be so cool!

With a sign on the door...

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I think we Journeyers would have our meetings in a nice olde worlde pub, with a real fire and a Bard who would sing songs of our adventures...

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Mean while...

Logicians...

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Here’s a live stream of the logicians club meeting…

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I am not sure I belong into any of these categories. Essentially, I buy cheap. Beyond that?

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I made it into Bites again! Yay!

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I think the Chaos defines me. I don’t know what I’m wearing next or what I’m buying next. As long as it looks cool and fits me well, I’m down with it.