Bites: Confession time - I am a petty and small-minded individual.

Happy Tuesday watch-fam!

Time to get vulnerable this week as I open up about the petty and miserly side of my watch collecting life.

I had already been taking a long hard look at myself this past week after a recent attempt at an eBay purchase, but after seeing a video posted by @Justingalore I had to take myself outside and question some of my life choices.

Do some of you feel the same as me? Or are the rest of you actually well adjusted individuals?

Anyway, let's have a look at some of the cool stuff from WC this last week, then you are welcome to shake your heads in disappointment at my shortcomings....

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Three quick bites from WC this week for those in a rush…

I can’t not mention the fun that was had at Windup last week! Check out the photo thread here.

Check out @MrPsionic’s discussion about those times we can’t quite connect with a watch: “Trying to bond with a watch”.

@ichibunz askes the important question “Where are all the Storm Trooper watches?”

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New members:

New members who I’ve seen posting this week… @WatchYouNeed, @omegaman75, @Pisty59, @Gishy007, @mart1n, @DocFrenchie, @enricoitaly, @solidyetti, @Allie123, @zorroCH86

Welcome everyone!

Hot Posts:

This weeks topics that got the community talking…

“Paying for a watch”@Augustus

“Apocalyptic one watch”@ThomasD

“One watch and one car” - @watchfinder.general

“One watch you regret not getting”@vanished7

Meetups and Events:

5th May - Cruise ship Meetup - New Jersey to UK

14th – 16th July - Windup Watch Fair 2023 - Chicago

20th – 22nd October - Windup Watch Fair 2023 – New York

Let me know if you hear of any other meetups and I’ll add them to our weekly calander.

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Big thanks to @flatterycamp for setting last weeks photography theme of “On the move”. His winner this week was @Sinnguy with this beauty….

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Come see the runners up and find out the chosen theme for this weeks photos here, which has been kindly set by this weeks guest judge @WatchBee.

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Here are my favourite watch releases from the past week that I think deserve a little look…

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Top row, left to right:

Louis Erard x Konstantin Chaykin, Seven Friday, ID Geneve

Second row:

Seiko Presage, Junghans, Nodus, Zelos

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Longer posts from the knowledgeable and creative writers amongst the WC family….

@Edge168n has been busy this week and given us three new instalments in his Watches in the Wild series:

“Volume 32: A more civilized experience”

“Volums 33: Part 1 – Heaven for microbrands, A windup Watch Fair emergency edition”

“Volums 33: Part 2 – Heaven for microbrands, A windup Watch Fair emergency edition”

@ckim4watches has been soaking up some high horology with fellow crunchers: “South coast plaza mini-crunch meetup and high horology tour”

@Velomax continues his series looking at lesser known watch makers and brands. “Why don’t we talk me about… Ferdinand Berthoud?”

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"I am a petty and small-minded hypocrite."

Ok, so pretty much the first rule of Watch Club is "Buy what you love."

30mm? Fashion watch? Pin-pallet? Hublot?

If you love it, then you do you and pay no heed to others who will throw shade on your choices and taste.

But what if you're throwing your own shade?

What if your own bad attitude is putting you off watches that you would actually really enjoy?

I think that's what’s happening to me because of my irrational prejudices.

Irrational prejudice #1: Dislike by association

I'm talking about when celebrity and influencer endorsements have the opposite effect.

I remember someone on WC once saying they would never buy a Tudor because they couldn't stand David Beckham, and many times I've seen others say that they wouldn't touch Rolex because of the Instagram flexers, and I'm definitely not immune to this feeling. If I saw someone in the media I deeply disliked wearing a certain watch, then I can't say that wouldn't put me off.

But isn't this hypocritical of me? We watch folks are always talking about not being positively influenced into watch purchases, so why should I let the opposite bother me?

If disliked-celebrity-X likes the same watch I do, why should that matter or impact my watch buying??

It shouldn't, but it does.

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Irrational prejudice #2: The buying process

Now, I know a lot of people may presume I'm going to talk about supposed 'Waiting lists' and the dance we need to do with certain ADs.

I can completely understand why some people hate those games so much that they would rather do without the watch. Certainly, if getting the watch I'm after meant buying 3 others I didn't even want, then no, I'm not up for that.

But the buying process I'm talking about is altogether more petty.

I'm talking about eBay.

Nothing will put me off an eBay purchase as quickly as someone not playing the 'Make an Offer' game.

In my mind if a Seller puts in the option of 'Make an Offer' in addition to the Buy it Now, it means they are happy to partake in some sensible bartering.

But if I make an offer of 5% off their asking price and it gets rejected, that's it. The petty side of me takes over, and even if it's only a difference of a couple of quid/dollars, I'm still out.

Is this ridiculous? Yes.

Can the seller ultimately choose exactly what they want to sell it for and reject any offers they wish? Absolutely.

But I can't help myself. If you aren't going to honour the Make an Offer button, don't use it.

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Irrational prejudice #3: Popularity

I realised how massively hypocritical my prejudice of 'the popular watch' is after I watched a recent video posted by @Justingalore.

In it, Jack Forster is interviewing a lady watch collector who at one point mentioned her biggest watch purchase regret.

I can't remember the exact model, but it was some incredibly expensive Cartier Ballon Bleu in rose gold with diamonds. She said she loved the watch until she met up with a friend who had the steel Ballon Bleu and who said to her "Oh look! We have the same watch!" The lady said that she knew it made her sound like a snob (I definitely thought it did) but that she was put off the watch from then on because she didn't want a watch that everyone could be wearing.

When I heard this my first reaction was that she wasn't a real enthusiast and was just there to flex her cash.... but then I realised.... I'm the same!

I too don't want what everyone else has.

If a watch is hugely popular it actually tends to put me off and I'd much rather go for something under the radar and unique.

Case in point... the Speedmaster.

I truly think it is a beautiful watch. Regardless of the space connection I think the proportions and design elements just make it something very special. I envy Speedy owners.

But it sometimes feels like everyone has one. Obviously, they don't, but that's how it can feel in the distorted parallel watch-universe.

And because they are everywhere in the online community it somehow takes the shine off them for me.

It's utterly ridiculous.

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So, am I alone?

Can I find any solidarity out there?

Do others share my irrational thinking, or do you have your own ridiculous reasons for not buying watches?

I hope this is a safe place to share.

Take care everyone!

Kaysia.

Banner photo: Beautiful photograph from @Biel_Bienne of the Speedy I have a love/hate relationship with.

EDIT: Please go read @rowiphi 's wonderful and thoughtful post response to this newsletter here: https://www.watchcrunch.com/rowiphi/posts/we-have-to-do-the-work-33955

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Thanks for the @

I am somewhat like the lady in the video in terms of wanting to be different. Who doesn't want to be? Its an aspect of my character that keeps me away from vanilla jobs (even good ones) and vanilla watches (even good ones - specifically Rolex.) - I tend to go on a somewhat less well trodden path.

Where I would differ is. Lets say I had a moonwatch. If I saw someone with less spending power in a moonswatch - and they said "look we have the same watch" - if they were enthused and in to it - I'd be delighted for them and would enjoy a conversation about our mutual watches - I don't think I'd be irritated for a moment..

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Nope you’re not alone! I felt the same way about the Speedy at first but owning one now and wearing it more and more I see why everyone and I myself love it now too!! Yeah! And the fact @HotWatchChick69 got the green Gmt makes me jealous and want one too… then again I’m easily influenced 😖😂🫨…plus Brian is a celebrity in my head! So don’t ruin it … I always picture @HotWatchChick69 as this…

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But I know she/he is more like this…

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Cute little puppy ahhh … so cuuuute!!!

Ok I just wanted to post that cute puppy pic for my puppies next haircut…

😁

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I’m definitely not well adjusted. I just posted about reading in my beloved Speedy for an Explorer. The feedback from fellow Crunchers on my poll was 68/32% in favor of keeping the Speedy. Now that I’ve solved that problem, I’m already adjusting my search criteria on Chrono24 and eBay to buy a used BB58 Blue… what is wrong with me! HA!

https://www.watchcrunch.com/vmiyanks04/posts/advice-requested-33587

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vmiyanks04

I’m definitely not well adjusted. I just posted about reading in my beloved Speedy for an Explorer. The feedback from fellow Crunchers on my poll was 68/32% in favor of keeping the Speedy. Now that I’ve solved that problem, I’m already adjusting my search criteria on Chrono24 and eBay to buy a used BB58 Blue… what is wrong with me! HA!

https://www.watchcrunch.com/vmiyanks04/posts/advice-requested-33587

Oh man meeeee tooo!! What’s wrong with me!! I want a blue BB58 as well argh!! Is there a pill a can take so I won’t be obsessed about watche s😵😵💫

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Justingalore

Thanks for the @

I am somewhat like the lady in the video in terms of wanting to be different. Who doesn't want to be? Its an aspect of my character that keeps me away from vanilla jobs (even good ones) and vanilla watches (even good ones - specifically Rolex.) - I tend to go on a somewhat less well trodden path.

Where I would differ is. Lets say I had a moonwatch. If I saw someone with less spending power in a moonswatch - and they said "look we have the same watch" - if they were enthused and in to it - I'd be delighted for them and would enjoy a conversation about our mutual watches - I don't think I'd be irritated for a moment..

Yes, I think that is maybe the difference.

I enjoy having something different, but it's so lovely to meet a fellow watch enthusiast in my circles there is no way I would feel upset if someone was wearing the same watch.

It would be much more...

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I agreed with your comments about the interview feeling a bit uncomfortable.

It's fine to have differing opinions... that makes life interesting... but she just seemed to be telling the guy he was just plain wrong all the time, rather than being more open to his opinions on Hublot being more well respected than she thought etc.

I still don't think she was really buying watches for herself. She gave off 'Not like other girls' vibes to me.

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I love the thought that went into this. I can relate.

What came first: the love of the old and forgotten or the desire to stand out? One of the first things that most people can understand when looking at vintage watches is how rare they are. Each model, each year, has survived against the odds. Most watches ever made reside now in landfills. We have very few from 50 years ago, fewer still from 75. Rare does not equate to valuable. A vintage watch can be your way of owning something unusual and rare with a price that one can afford.

With kids in school and two houses with mortgages I can not afford ten watches of $7,500.00 or more. I have some leeway, but not that much. If I were to buy the most highly praised watches on this site and others I would own maybe five watches. One would be a G-Shock, perhaps a Kamasu or Bambino. I might reach for a BB58. And I would be bored.

I like that I can stand in my own corner with very few others. I can complain about service costs and delays, magnetism, parts. If you were to really try, it would be difficult to replicate most of my collection. The best pieces would be the easiest to find. Neither a Seamaster DeVille or a Zodiac Hermetic is a rara avis, but this is:

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(Now if I could just get the thing to work. It tells future time, runs fast.)

I have never wanted to own the same watches as everyone else. This is the ego driving the collection. No one wears the same gown on the red carpet. Same impulse.

I have many issues with eBay. The only thing that I am watching now is a vintage red smoking jacket. I don't smoke. I will be damned if I don't show up to one of these meet-ups with a wrist full of old watches wearing a red smoking jacket. How's that for irrationality?

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Ichibunz

Nope you’re not alone! I felt the same way about the Speedy at first but owning one now and wearing it more and more I see why everyone and I myself love it now too!! Yeah! And the fact @HotWatchChick69 got the green Gmt makes me jealous and want one too… then again I’m easily influenced 😖😂🫨…plus Brian is a celebrity in my head! So don’t ruin it … I always picture @HotWatchChick69 as this…

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But I know she/he is more like this…

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Cute little puppy ahhh … so cuuuute!!!

Ok I just wanted to post that cute puppy pic for my puppies next haircut…

😁

Need a puppy pic after the hair cut!

And I think my dilemma with the Speedy could be solved by this gold and green beauty...

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Honestly though, I can't hate on the speedy at all. The reduced especially is just...🤤

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Re: your Speedy comment, you’re right about it being everywhere in the online watch community. However, IRL I never see it, and I’m in the Air Force! I’ve only run into 2 other people in my entire 19-year career that have one and only 1 actually wore it all the time like me. And we were only in the same place at the same time once! So I think you should go for it and wear it IRL, for you!

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Re: the eBay thing, I not above a bit of schadenfreude and I will keep watching those listings and hoping it doesn't sell. I could then make an offer lower than my first, but like you, I'm petty and don't want to buy from that seller.

Re: the "I don't want what everyone else has" thing, I too am guilty of that to a degree. I think we all are. We all want to have unique things but custom anything is sooooo expensive for most of us. I think the uniqueness we are looking for can be added by ourselves, bit by bit instead of all at once. I want to make a custom watch storage solution and I want it to be so unique, I'm reluctant to share even the idea for it.

And her "mistake" watch? It was not a mistake. She loved the watch until her delusional bubble of uniqueness was burst. That's not a mistake. Her whole answer to the question from the premise all the way through reeks of elitism.

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Another excellent Bites. Association is hard to ignore and we’d be lying if we said we didn’t do it. “I’ll never wear a Rolex/Patek etc because…” then one tries one and gets it. “I’ll never drive a BMW/Porsche etc…” then one drives it and understands the hype. Separating association and objectivity isn’t easy.

With watches, as I’ve aged, I’ve realized no one cares outside of other enthusiasts and at this point I’m not out to impress anyone. If I like it I buy. If some clown shoe happens to own the same thing, so be it. I don’t have to personally associate myself with who that person is.

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vmiyanks04

I’m definitely not well adjusted. I just posted about reading in my beloved Speedy for an Explorer. The feedback from fellow Crunchers on my poll was 68/32% in favor of keeping the Speedy. Now that I’ve solved that problem, I’m already adjusting my search criteria on Chrono24 and eBay to buy a used BB58 Blue… what is wrong with me! HA!

https://www.watchcrunch.com/vmiyanks04/posts/advice-requested-33587

We feel your pain.

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There is no saving us.

We are lost to this illness and all we can do is hope to be examples to others as to why watch collecting is a terrible hobby.

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Sure, I enjoy wearing something different. But that is not the reason that I bought them. I has been cause I liked them. Unique, or rarer, watches can have a pretty good reason for being so. They can be quite ugly and no one wants them, or vanted them at the time if vintage.

I have no problem buying watches that are common. The Speedie is a great example of that. I was late to that party. It was not until the new model with the updated bracelet it felt at home. It is a beautiful watch with perfect design. Even if it considered common I think I spotted one twice on someones wrist.

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Ichibunz

Nope you’re not alone! I felt the same way about the Speedy at first but owning one now and wearing it more and more I see why everyone and I myself love it now too!! Yeah! And the fact @HotWatchChick69 got the green Gmt makes me jealous and want one too… then again I’m easily influenced 😖😂🫨…plus Brian is a celebrity in my head! So don’t ruin it … I always picture @HotWatchChick69 as this…

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But I know she/he is more like this…

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Cute little puppy ahhh … so cuuuute!!!

Ok I just wanted to post that cute puppy pic for my puppies next haircut…

😁

Ha! Planning a WC meetup in San Diego now. You can come meet my puppies in person - and that’s not even a euphemism!

Also, I think we may have a special guest coming too. A certain someone who founded a certain watch enthusiast site and makes YT videos!

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In respect to point 2, I want to give you a sellers perspective. I sell things online to raise funds for a charity. I put an asking price well under a used retail price and I allow bidding from a good percentage below that. I'll give an example. X watch has a used retail value of €300. I list it online for €150 with bidding from €100. I can guarantee that people will always ask "what is the least you will accept"?, or offer €75. It is not only frustrating that people are so cheap, it is also extremely disheartening.

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HotWatchChick69

Ha! Planning a WC meetup in San Diego now. You can come meet my puppies in person - and that’s not even a euphemism!

Also, I think we may have a special guest coming too. A certain someone who founded a certain watch enthusiast site and makes YT videos!

Ohhh when? Maybe I can persuade the wife to visit San Diego again!!

Ohh!! I’m picturing you doing this…

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The WC call!!