Snobbism against Miyota movements ?

IMHO (in the sub $1000 microbrand world)

• Miyota 8000 is pretty bad 🤷

• NH is a workhorse

• Miyota 9000 and Sellita are equivalent and a fantastic peg up over the workhorse (and basically equivalent to base ETA)

Then you add grade of the movement, in house regulation, etc. etc. And the accuracy can be all over the palace ✌️

Yes, it seems that in house regulation takes a very important place.

At least from my very limited experience, Baltic regulated it (in my box, I even found a regulation ticket from timegrapher).

I feel that Alpina did not care about it and that the performance of the SW200 could be improved.

Don’t let em get to you bud … most 🗑️ online are just for the clicks 🖖🏾

Sure, but the Youtubers that I watched (in French) were did not criticize the movement, to the contrary they recognized its strength.

I was refering to some negative comments in the communities. Some people really seem to believe it.

I know I'm a philistine but I have very little interest in the movement of my watches other than they are reliable, robust and can be serviced or replaced at a reasonable cost. I don't even know what movement is in half of them. 🥺

The rotor wobble in Miyota movements really does not help in giving the watch a feeling of quality.

I owned a while ago an homage watch with an uni-directional winding movement inside and it felt like the thing would break apart if I moved my arm fast enough.

The 82xx also garnered a poor reputation due to issues with a seconds hand stuttering: https://calibercorner.com/stuttering-seconds-hand-explained/… that is enough for me to not think twice about it and just prefer NH movements.

The 9000 series is great. I wouldn't buy any other models tho

The 9000 series are a more modern design and thinner than their main Swiss competition, the ETA 2824-2 and the Sellita SW200. 1990s vs 1970s with roots in the 1950. 3.9mm vs 4.6mm.

The 8000 are very reliable and cheap. I also like the retro charm of the indirectly driven center seconds. The so-called stutter is just the hand reacting to a shock or impact. It always catches up and never loses/gains time because of it.

You’re missing something „fundamental“: One says Swiss, the other doesn’t.

Similar to Quartz and Automatic/Mechanical.

There’s a preconceived notion, for reasons largely unknown, that one is automatically better than the other.

I have 2 watches with Miyota movements (8000 series), both are very accurate, but very noisy at the same time. I prefer my Orient movements better.

Base Sellita and Miyota 9 series are pretty comparable in my mind. Sellita also offers premium and COSC grade movements which have better decoration and tighter tolerances with better shock absorption, and I’d take these over a Miyota 9 series, but the cost will almost be higher for a watch with a higher end Sellite SW200/210.

If there is anything the internet has taught me, it is that people like finding reasons to feel superior to others. Listen at your own peril.

I've experienced pretty much every movement in both Sellitta and Miyota's range.

The Miyota 8000 series is objectively an inferior movement. Rotor wobble, stuttery seconds hand, no hack or hand wind on most models. Extremely loud. These are severely outdated movements in terms of features.

The Miyota 9000 is a decent movement. Out of the box, it likely performs worse than the Sellitta but as you say, you can regulate it. Some brands (Kurono for example) decorate it beautifully.

I don't love the winding action in the 9000, it feels a touch gritty to me, but that is neither here nor there. I have a JLC world timer whose winding action sucks. It's not really the sort of thing I make decisions on.

I think the biggest drawback of the miyota is the lack of third party modularity. You won't, for example, find an automatic chronograph module or a GMT module or a moonphase module that you can add to the base movement. The Swiss have an entire ecosystem of movement manufacturers and sub manufacturers that can provide modular additions to Sellitta and ETA calibers. With the Miyota, you are somewhat limited in what you can do with commercially available solutions (which may or may not matter to you).

My Spinnaker Spence 300 has the 9039 Elabore… that thing is incredible. Not sure why there’s hate out there for this movement, accurate, durable and in Elabore form, pretty. My other Spinnaker has the stalwart NH35A workhorse, another movement that deserves way more credit than it gets (mine’s very accurate). I wish the Spence had a display caseback so I could see all the Geneva stripes, but then it’d be fatter than it’s incredibly thin 10.9mm

My Traska GMT has a Miyota 9075 traveler GMT movement, it works great, no snobby here 👍🏽

All snobbery to make themselves feel better and to convince themselves that the huge premium in price was going to something concrete and substantial (which I get you could argue is true but no need to shoot down perfectly decent movements) 🤷‍♂️

If someone say the 9series Miyotas are crap than usually they have no idea about watches and techniques.

No Miyota hatred here. 👍

Interesting, but these topics about chemicals and winding direction are new to me.

So I don’t fully understand your post.

The Miyota rotor is a bit louder than the one in the Sellita. Other than that, the Miyota’s 9 series are amazing.

I’ve owned 3 watches with Miyota 9000 series movements (including the 9075 GMT), and 5 watches with SW200 level movements. Every single watch with the Miyota is more accurate than the Sellitas by an average of 3-4 spd closer to +/-0. I’m sure that’s luck of the draw multiple times, but for me Miyota has been CONSISTENTLY better than Sellita. The Seiko 6R movements (of which I owned 2) are a whole other level of bad, though. Both were +15-20 spd.

I'm trying to get a Traska Venturer GMT at the moment. The 9075 looks great.

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Miyota 90 doesn't hold regulation as well as Sellita. The value of Sellita is there, but Miyota 90 is far from rubbish, as you said.

That is sure true, but the 7750 is a thick movement, which requires big cases to hold it. The size and therefore weight of this sort of watch cases offsets the wobble a bit and makes it not so apparent, or that was the sensation I had when I tried on a PRX chrono, but I don’t own a 7750-powered watch, so can’t say for sure.

That's fair, I put up an explainer here: https://www.watchcrunch.com/HAQingSec/posts/pfas-forever-chemical-free-watches-331785

All I know is that the Miyota in my Junkers has always been loud and grindy AF. Still going strong though, nearly a decade on.

I do like the use of the Miyota 8000 series in affordable watches. My watches with the Miyota perform more accurate and consistent than those with the Seiko NH equivalent.

The 8000 series is also known for being quite reliable in long term. So the NH35 is not really the one and only workhorse movement out there.

My Smiths Everest was an accurate watch and nice to wind ! I have since sold it but not because I didn’t like it , it’s just that I acquired a Ranger and so I wanted to get some bucks back .

My Laco Augsburg has a very basic Miyota in it and runs plus 7 seconds a day (only one sec out from COSC). Is it noisy? Well you can hear it if you shake it about, but not otherwise.

No complaints from me at that price!