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Unpopular opinion but breguet should be put there

Agreed

A. Lange & Sohne

Lange!

JLC - the watchmaker's watch maker.

JLC, no question.

100% A. Lange und Söhne👍😍

I feel like they belong there and that’s not even unpopular or shouldn’t be they have been around longer than any of them

Fp journe or A. lange Söhne

1. AP has more than 1 model, there were Jules Audemars, Millenary and more. Today there are RO, ROO, RO concept and code11.59. They only look similar but they are different models. If you disagree then what about Rolex? All of their models are based on OP, they are all similar too, but are they the same model? No. Saying that AP is a one trick pony seems really cool, like Hublot is ugly or Moonswatch is stupid.

2. The reason we still have Swiss automatic watches today is because of AP, thanks to RO. 50 years later, RO still inspires many brands.

3. AP is independent and family owned. Out of the holy trinity, it's the only one still owned by the founding family.

4. In 2022 AP released code 11.59 Ultra-Complication Universelle, their most impressive complicated watch and won “Aiguille d'Or” at GPHG 2023.

And some people still believe that it should not be part of the Holy trinity.

*Not a fanboy just facts

Another fact is that AP is really trying to look more and more like a Hublot.

Aight man, you do you :)

Don't get testy just because someone (or many in this case) dont like a watch/brand you like/own, people could bash and trash my BB54 (some have) and I don't care, I even find really interesting the different opinions some may have. So chill.

When I started collecting watches the top 3: AP. PP, Brequet

VC, Blancpain

Still not convinced VC is above Brequet and Blancpain if you consider the entire catalogue of the 3.

I agree but I could not see Blancpain being Holy Trinity with the SwatchPAIN laying around 😂🫠

And that's why watches are subjective.

Exactly, some people just think when someone's talking about a brand/watch think we're talking about their kid or something. 😂

Agree Blancpain, JLC and Breguet would have a good claim to replace AP if we're keeping the trinity Swiss. In terms of pure merit regarding current catalogues and achievements, ALS would probably make more sense at this point.

Their website tends to agree with the hypothesis - these are the only collections now [Code11.59 or Royal Oaks]:

thanks for your substantive input/opinion ✔ this is what WC is.

GP released the Laureato 3 years after the Genta-designed Royal Oak. If AP was to be inspired, it's gotta be Zenith Defy which were released in the 60s.

Many brand continued making mechanical watches during the Quartz crisis, but it was AP who made it a luxury item and saved the swiss-watch industry.

agreed with you on stupid collabs.

Umm….you didn’t.

In the end, watches don't matter. It's the people in our lives that matter. Watches are a passion and somewhat of an obsession for some. But life comes first.

They have earned their place in the trinity and at the moment the Royal Oak is the mainstay of their collection but they still are doing incredible complications within the Royal Oak family and let’s be honest the Royal Oak has never been more relevant everyone is trying to make their “Royal Oak” Breguet have the history but are irrelevant currently JLC are closer but for some reason just don’t have the X factor to lift them up to AP’s level

Can’t see any reason to or any compelling alternatives to kick them out

Second this oppinion. AP is walking thin line of becoming too focused on one or two model segments ( RO and 11.59 ) and even more so by doing those questionable collabs but still you can't deny their excellence in all segments ( design, finish, movements, complications, materials ... ).

The fact they focused more on other segments of market compared to PP, VC and other "traditional" brands doesn't mean they don't belong in this holly trinity or that they are inferior to them. We can agree the watches are not for everyone and that is fine but from above mentioned criteria they don't fall behind other two, I would even argue they are superior in many aspects.

Last but not least, due to their sucess with RO they are in a position where any new watch line will be compared to RO and its fame, criticized if not as sucessfull ( like 11.59 which BTW is a fantastic watch ). And if they don't do anything they will be criticized again for not doing anything new. Now try winning this conundrum😕

Definitely AL&S!

Tiffant & Co

Lange 100,000%

Gotcha! Haha idk about timelines of famous watches, but this makes sense

I think their history is cool, but I wish they’d diversify from the RO (and similar) more.

Ik they have the Code 11:59 and as a big brand, they’ll play it safe though. Im gonna take a look at their old watches rn!

Thanks! I checked out some of their older watches u mentioned pr-RO.

After some thought, my main gripe is… just how regular they look.

Like at first glance, they look like Daniel Wellingtons or Nomoses - no surprise as those brands copied or took inspiration from the best.

And if your watch costs that much, chances are, you’ll make something non-polarizing so you’re guaranteed a buy (from yk the comparatively fewer people)

Where they really seem to shine is the movements. I know diddly squat about movements, but WOW some of these are thin!

It’s a shame because that’s the part you DON’T see.

So I feel while it’s evident they have or possibly had the skill, they just seem to beat the RO horse to death.

Idk much ab high horology but I’ve heard the Code 1159 is great, but I wish they’d try something different!

The Royal Oak might me the greatest blank canvas from any manufacturer. Just take a look at how many different dial designs and movement they have in the same case. It’s an Evolution…