Seiko WTF?!?!?!

Woke up at my normal time to find out I have about a 4 hour delay due to inclement weather. So scrolling through instagram and see that seiko is releasing some new cocktail times which I always find interesting although I haven’t bought one. So I’m reading up on the two “limited” (apparently trigger warning for some) PIECES, and I see the darker dial is going to have 9000 release and the lighter version 5000. Now I’m not one to play the limited game, and could really care less if mine or the next persons watch is limited. Buy what you like right? But at this point, I feel as if Seiko is calling everything limited. I digress, looking at the movement and I see the light dial is using seiko’s caliber 2R05. I’ve never heard of this movement as I just discovered in the last year that for me, movement and accuracy matter. So I look at the specs, holy snot bubbles!!!! It’s almost like Seiko is blatantly saying we are going to do the bare minimum and you are still going to give us your money. These watches will probably retail for $500 a pop, and that’s relatively inexpensive as far as watches go but come on, can they at least try?!?!? In my opinion this isn’t even the bare minimum at this price range when you have watches like Tissot and Hamilton giving you way better products with less whimsical dials. Hell the seiko 5s at least have the 4R movement, which although I’m not a fan of, gives you better specs for less money and some really fun dials. Sorry just wanted to rant about this.

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I think you make a fair point. At what point does heritage become extortion... I like the dials though but not enough to get ripped off. +45/-35 is a bit wild haha!

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There are much better Starbars available.

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So they basically made the 7s26 have hacking/hand winding and renamed it 😂

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Every Seiko watch is limited, but some are more limited than others.

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Starbar. More like window blinds to me. Sorry if you can't unsee it now😁

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There will be buyers for those - Seiko doesn't care

For me it is super boring. In the past and up to present Seiko just did not care about marketing with all product listings looking same dull way without any effort to make at least somewhat attractive actual product shots or renders.

Now probably they do not care that much about value proposition either. Just mark everything as LE to create sense of urgency and prop up demand. I don't judge people buying - they buy what they like and think it is worth the money.

But if they retail for 500$ and up -> for me there are better options on the market...tbh - I would feel shame even putting +45/-35 sec precision on product description

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I'm guessing the 30mm diameter of the SRE014 might have something to do with them having to use the 2R05.

The SRPK75 seems to use a 4R35

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norrecc

I'm guessing the 30mm diameter of the SRE014 might have something to do with them having to use the 2R05.

The SRPK75 seems to use a 4R35

Yep, you are right! Can't fit a 4R into that tiny case! I bought my wife the SRE003 (a super cute 28mm SRPE alike) with a 2R06 (Day date version). https://www.seikowatches.com/au-en/products/5sports/sre003

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That’s ridiculous honestly, however my favorite star bar was the honeycomb one

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for Seiko, 9000 IS considered 'Limited.' they move some watches!

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It’s all marketing…..just wait a while and you can get what you want much cheaper.

Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay! 🍻

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CheapHangover

Every Seiko watch is limited, but some are more limited than others.

I hear that a first day working at Seiko corporate, you get limited air as apart of your benefits package

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WatchObserver

There will be buyers for those - Seiko doesn't care

For me it is super boring. In the past and up to present Seiko just did not care about marketing with all product listings looking same dull way without any effort to make at least somewhat attractive actual product shots or renders.

Now probably they do not care that much about value proposition either. Just mark everything as LE to create sense of urgency and prop up demand. I don't judge people buying - they buy what they like and think it is worth the money.

But if they retail for 500$ and up -> for me there are better options on the market...tbh - I would feel shame even putting +45/-35 sec precision on product description

Agreed to an extent. I do believe to a degree seiko cares, and that’s why they have such a large range of watches that target the ordaniary person that just needs a watch to the socially awkward freaks like myself that try not to make it obvious that I’m checking your wrist out… and then say a phrase like “oh my bad man, I’m just checking your wrist out.” As if it makes it any better… I lost my train of thought 😂

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norrecc

I'm guessing the 30mm diameter of the SRE014 might have something to do with them having to use the 2R05.

The SRPK75 seems to use a 4R35

I personally don’t believe the size of a watch justifies specs this bad. That’s just me though

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They are. A few watches with the 8l35 are on my radar but “limited”. I told my AD if it’s not there when I’m ready to pull the trigger it’s not there🤷🏽‍♂️. Trying to cut down on impulse watch purchases

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unkl_mrkr

for Seiko, 9000 IS considered 'Limited.' they move some watches!

This one’s limited this one’s limited that one’s limited

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Maverick5080

It’s all marketing…..just wait a while and you can get what you want much cheaper.

Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay! 🍻

Spot on. Even with the 4r35 I’d pass because I sorta know what I want to buy this year. But my curiosity cost me some sleep and well here we are

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Oh, turns out it'a also non hacking.

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casiodean

There are much better Starbars available.

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Not in the USA! I'm still mad at Cadbury's for discontinuing the Cadbury Lime bar about fifty years ago. Maybe it was a limited edition?

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That is why I am hesitant about buying the King Seiko … even in this higher range they use a terrible quality movement

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Ques845

I personally don’t believe the size of a watch justifies specs this bad. That’s just me though

I think it's absolutely justified, since this is a 30mm rose gold and pink watch, that is clearly not aimed at the watch enthusiast, but more likely at teenage girls. And I highly doubt that any of them care at all about the pointless specs we all obsess about 😂 water resistance, lug width, crystal material and probably least of all accuracy... And to top is all off, the MSRP is 520€, but retails will probably be around 350 to 400 I'm guessing. If the case quality is good and the movement is reliable, I don't think it's absolutely crazily priced.

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Agreed. How limited is 5000 much less 9000.

Sounds like a typical production run, imho

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norrecc

I think it's absolutely justified, since this is a 30mm rose gold and pink watch, that is clearly not aimed at the watch enthusiast, but more likely at teenage girls. And I highly doubt that any of them care at all about the pointless specs we all obsess about 😂 water resistance, lug width, crystal material and probably least of all accuracy... And to top is all off, the MSRP is 520€, but retails will probably be around 350 to 400 I'm guessing. If the case quality is good and the movement is reliable, I don't think it's absolutely crazily priced.

Ehh idk. I can see your point but I still think the normal person who doesn’t care about specs should still have a somewhat accurate watch. If not, why buy mechanical?

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Ques845

Ehh idk. I can see your point but I still think the normal person who doesn’t care about specs should still have a somewhat accurate watch. If not, why buy mechanical?

I'd say buy quartz if you're after accuracy for a low price. Expecting a highly accurate automatic movement in a 400€ fashion watch is a bit much I'd say....

If Seiko were to spec and regulate all their watches to our pretty high expectations and charge cheaper prices, as many are also asking for, I think they'd be out of business quite soon 😂

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CatchKa

That is why I am hesitant about buying the King Seiko … even in this higher range they use a terrible quality movement

Same boat. I love the idea of a king seiko, specifically the lavender dial (ref SPB291) but I’m standoffish spending 1850 for a 6r35 movement. Granted I have maybe 3 seikos with this movement and the only time I noticed a problem with accuracy is when I wore my SPB153 (baby alpinist) for about ten days straight on a trip to London. But the KS is still about 1000 -1100 more. On the other hand my shogun and “62mas” have been great imo, so idk maybe it’s just not the watch I really really want.

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I was under the impression that the 2R35/36 movements were merely the ladies' size version of the 4R35/36, and the 5000 piece model is a ladies' size at 30mm is probably smart. The Cocktail Time Pressage matches have used these movements for awhile.

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StevieC54

Agreed. How limited is 5000 much less 9000.

Sounds like a typical production run, imho

Thank you - someone has to say it

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They have moved up in market,there cheaper watches are no longer for the enthusiast because we know better generally for people that pass buy and go oh that's pretty i will buy that,there mid range price and upwards to there GS level watches are now are value props even know there not great value because there massively expensive,but there still equalled out with the rise in other brands prices.still a cheap seiko to a rolex is what I'm saying.