Watches are not fun for me! 😱(Interesting topic ahead)

Make it a point to always buy a watch in the flesh and your problem is solved.

Dont shop online if thats the case.. also maybe you can stop buying seikos and save that money evertime you wanted to buy one. Until you can afford your perfect watch.

There are no perfect watches, whether $20 or $200,000, cause everyone’s tastes and tolerances for imperfections are different.

I can relate to that. However, I stopped buying online as well and even go further, in the sense that I want to link a nice vacation or short trip or whatever experience to the actual purchase. So my Hanhart I picked up at the factory incl. a tour, my Oris I picked up at Zurich visiting the city, my BB58 in Bern for a weekend trip and so on.. So for me getting a watch is much more than the simple purchase. This way maybe one can also ignore minor flaws and learn to love them even? (Of course that doesn't work with Seiko QC...).

I’m an unhappy watch collector on a watch forum? Join the queue.

Well said.

This watch is pretty much perfect, from a certain point of view....any guesses @SpecKTator ?

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Niggles with watches ! Join the club. I agree that it is difficult, and your right quality control is a problem especially when paying a lot of money, and anything over $100 is a lot of money to many let alone a $1000. But what can you do, hands on before you buy is a solution but not possible for many.

Damn, come on solid y! There is but one perfect watch and you already own it.

Watches are not fun. Complaining about them is fun.

You would be surprised at what some Patek look like under a 10x loupe. Nothing made by men is perfect.

That's generally what you experience with affordable watches. I've been collecting since 2009 or thereabouts. I've only had a about five watches in the affordable category that didn't have noticeable QC issues. It annoys me to no end, too. I quickly lose interest in a new watch when it has QC issues. When you save up and spend the extra coin on, say, a Tudor, Breitling, Omega, etc, QC issues are less common. Mostly non-existent – to the naked eye anyway.

Wanting good qc and buying seikos is pure masochism. I'd avoid Swiss and focus on microbrands/good rep brands like Orient or especially casio if you want good qc. And staying away from divers will also help

Throw away your loupe, there we are sorted geeza. 😁

Try micro brands. The problem with large companies is precisely the mass production. No company is 100% perfection, that doesn't exist.

At least with small batch micro brands more care tends to be taken with QC. In addition you get much better customer service and support. Many times speaking directly to the owners of the brand.

Yeah, yeah.

I can’t remember living a day of my life without thinking “man, I need to rearrange my recording studio” after I got myself a recording studio.

And before I went this route in my music hobby I was always thinking “man, I wish I had a some form of recording capabilities”. Every day.

Same with watches. Do I have too many? Do I have too few? I have perfect collection, but man, maybe I can buy this Casio?

Would I still wear Watch A, if I get Watch B? Can I afford Watch B? Well, no, but what if I could? Would I still need Watch A? Yeah, I’m not gonna buy Watch B for the next year or two. But I must know if Watch A will become redundant today and plan for this. Yeah

That’s a side effect of having passions and a curious mind. The problem - if you have curious mind you gonna have a passion, and if you have a passion then buckle up for the stream of introspection, because that’s what curious mind does.

Life is great.

Because it’s like when you are going down the street and you can’t step in between tiles! You can’t! It’s forbidden!

The same with this second hand that doesn’t land on indices it’s the same feeling as steeping in between tiles!

Of course we all know that quartz is more accurate. My suggestion was made to help ease the pain of someone with extreme OCD. The quartz movement tick not hitting exact on the indices is driving him nuts. Nowhere does he say anything about accuracy. The sweep hand of the automatic will stop the worry of indices accuracy.

I’m totally with you on this. For me it was the purchase of second hand watches that wear imperfections and so I know they will never be perfect. But as one cruncher pointed out, buy in person…and compare one example in store with another to satisfy your need for the “perfect” finish.

That being said, you have to allow for some imperfections. I bought my dream watch, only to sell it because of bezel play. Stupid, maybe, but it detracted from the “dream”

You don't get Parmigiani quality for a Seiko price!

I would say that no watches are perfect, but said that Seikos in particular are very few brands in 500 or 1000$ category that makes some really cool watches know for its performance, quality and styles which makes these a compelling watches to buy. My advice don't buy watches online ( seikos or the Oris) feel it before u buy and then u vl start loving it.

Perfection is the enemy of happiness 😉

OCD and watch collecting do not make good partners.

First and foremost: buying online, for ANY item, has always been and will always be a gamble. Buying in person should always be your go-to. Holding an item in your hands is much more reassuring that you're getting a quality item versus only seeing it on a screen and scrolling through a few pictures. Seiko has also been known (especially as of late) to have some concerning QC issues, so there's that. If you love watches as much as you seem to, and you want to find a way to continue your hobby, maybe it's time to up your budget by just a bit and see how much better quality you can get from somewhere else for just a bit more money. Tissot, Hamilton, Junghans, those three brands have some great, heavy-hitting watches that, IMO, outclass and outperform Seiko's best.

Look at Hamilton, might help

I also used to get a bit too worried, I think, about the one-tick inexact quartz second hand and would think that the whole watch was worthless. I read that the accuracy wasn't affected, and I also read about how quartz watches operate, which to me is just as fascinating as mechanicals. That's what helped me get over it. That, and two-hander quartz watches!

What this world needs are solar mecha-quartz watches. This would eliminate the two 'problems" of quartz - battery changes and the one-tick second hand.

I have a certain Tissot Everytime Large with a second hand that jitters, pauses, bounces off indices, never goes around the dial the same way twice, and my favorite trick of hers although it's rare, will start gliding for a couple seconds like a low budget Spring Drive. I would not trade this watch for a brand new one with a perfect movement that hit every marker every time.

The next time you want to buy a new watch, what about saving money and buying into a new way of thinking instead?

You already have a great start. You love watches. But why? Here's why I love watches, and I'm not going to recommend to somebody else something that doesn't work for me.

When I look at one of my auto watches, I think gears! springs! escapements! pallet forks! Painstakingly well assembled, sometimes even partly by hand by imperfect human beings, and I look at my quartzes and think of a tiny crystal shaped liked a tuning fork that has a current applied by a battery the size of a small pea that causes the fork to oscillate at a precise frequency that is then stepped down by motors and electronics to one precise tick per second!

If any of these watches were perfect, that would be a small miracle. But the real miracle is that they function at all.

In short, the focus should be on what something is. The focus should not be on what it is not.

You can apply this to other areas too. There are still times when I get into my 2006 slightly-now-rusty Hyundai Elantra and think gears! motors! pumps! electronics! hydraulics! - and I think of a gallon milk bottle, and how just one gallon of gasoline will drive this 3000lb. slightly rusty car 30 miles down the highway at 70 miles an hour. If that's not one of God's miracles, I don't know what is.

But you can't have too much of this rosy thinking either. That can be harmful and in extreme cases even toxic. So you have to balance it out. One in a while but not too often, look at all your watches and allow yourself free rein with watch complaints. There's little harm in that. Chances are, the ones you complain about most will be the most deserving ones anyway.

Keep it fun keep it simple. Don’t get too caught up and stress about a watch collection.

Obsession is not our best friend.😈