Watches in the Wild (Party in the Bay Part 1, Volume 61)

Note: A Pam346 borrowed from my brother from another mother @valleykilmers

Come ye watch nerds one and all to witness the greatest horological show on earth.  Forget that musty old affair in Geneva and party in the Bay.

https://youtu.be/J7_bMdYfSws?si=71fmW0NQHClVueeM

Windup returns to my hometown: bigger, badder, and crazier than before.  On Friday afternoon, i met up a ton of Crunchers there: @SpecKTator , @blackbookalpha , @AlohaBrah21 , @TomatoBass , @artpordiaz among many others who I don't know the handles for.  You guys are all awesome.

If you haven't gone to Windup yet but want to know how to get the most out of the experience, I can only offer the following advice.  Jump in.  Try watches on.  Talk to the brand owners about them.  Compliment a fellow nerd's watch.  It literally doesn't get easier to spot watches than this.

And whatever you do, don't be the neck beard who lectures a brand owner about appropriate pricing or design for their products.  Just walk away if you don't like the price on offer and let other people see the watches. You know who you are.

Anyway, for the second year in a row, Windup was an absolute blast and, as with last year, I have entirely too much to write in a single post.  Watch spots on nerd wrists to follow after!

Show notes

All pictures sourced from the internet because I don't love taking pictures of people's watches in person.

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My first stop was the Jack Mason to meet @TimeToDesign and drop off a bottle of gin as thanks for his support during my and @valleykilmers s's charitable auctions of the Joker Strat-O-Timer.  He is every bit the gentleman in person in person that he is online.  I got to handle the Ellum in person (it's awesome but I want a full gold one!), saw the new Emperor Strat-O-Timer (very clean) and heard about a pair of super duper secret drops for this year and 2025.  I'm 100% pre ordering the Sept drop when it happens.

Complecto sponsored a pit stop area and I chatted with the folks there for a bit.  I've occasionally considered joining but I've frankly done little research to honestly consider it.  Still a pleasant bunch.  They also took a picture of my watch!

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Horage, once again, punched well above its weight.  Everyone I talked to came away marveling at just how light and beautifully made the K2 date and K2 GMT were.  Horage also probably made the other watch from this watch show I am likely to buy, the Autark Tourbillion.  It might be the most well balanced and comfortable tourbillon I've ever worn.  Not the best finished or most good looking (probably Lange, Moser and VC take the lead there) but by far the most comfortable.  That's saying something.  

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Nivada had a selection of Chronomaster Chrono divers, F77s and Antarctic Spiders on display.  Having finally played around with the F77 in person, I can safely say that the watch does not appeal to me at all.  I don't really have the issue with it being a touch Royal Oak esque (same era, things were done differently back then) but I just didn't like the look very much, something about the way the bracelet integrates with the case.  The Antarctic spider though....that's a gorgeous on the dressy side of everyday watch.  Of amusing note, I think the Nivada guys spent more time looking at my watch than I did at theirs.

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From the F77(meh) to the Jan Mayen (oh yes).  I didn't really have a specific thought on Straum when I went in but I am VERY positively disposed towards them after having seen their Jan Mayen integrated sports watches.  They look and feel awesome, so much so that it vaguely makes me wonder why I have an AnOrdain deposit down for a slot five years from now when I can literally buy a Straum today 

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Lorca had a small booth with just two public watches (and one secret one!).  Their art deco designed GMTs are absolutely beautifully executed but also just too small for my wrist.  I am told that the owner had a chronograph on his wrist that might be for sale this year.  Maybe ask about that too.

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I was looking forward to seeing the Typsim 200m and the Noir but it was just one guy, alone at a table.  I suspect some luggage was misplaced in transit which is a shame.

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I only breezed through the Formex booth.  They had new color ways of the Essence and the new Reef 39.  I already own an Essence 39 and love it. The new color ways (especially the gold-copper one) are very tempting. As expected the Reef 39 feels just slightly off proportions wise to me with the 39mm x 22mm lug width.  YMMV on this one.

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Vero had a selection of their Open Water divers, Forest Service kinetic quartzes, and workhorse chronographs on display. I always appreciate how funky and different the designs that Vero puts out are.  I mean, the open water is a diver that looks very little like other divers (in the best possible way) and the Forest Service feels like a crunchy Microbrand casioak.  My cousin ended up buying one.

We chatted briefly about a collaboration they're doing with the Wildwood Company, a custom clothier, in Portland.  They had some absolutely gorgeous renders of a bronze dress watch.  I will have to see those in person some time.

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Minase had some beautiful watches on display, primarily their Horizon Sports watches.  They seem well built and have beautiful dials, of perhaps a little stylized for me.  I did ask why they decided to go with Swiss Movements rather than Japanese given the heritage and didn't get much of an answer.  I suspect it has something to do with the ease of getting high quality ebauche movements but I'm just speculating.

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The Oris booth was well manned as always.  This time I decided to play around with the Oris Pro Pilot GMT.  I liked the color way surprisingly and thought it was quite a lovely piece.  Maybe I just need to look outside the Oris dive watch zone.

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The Fortis booth felt super weird.  Like they had too much space for the number of people and watches they brought to the show.  I am trying very hard to convince myself to give the Novonaut a chance but it just falls flat for me.  Cool history but too big, too blocky 

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I don't honestly think that I am cultured enough to appreciate Fears.  Everyone raves about their refinement and their finishing...which I get.  It's a very lovely watch and a lovely shape.  But you know, it's a thin Swiss.manual dress watch.  Maybe I just need more jazz hands.

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And as for Christopher Ward....well, I don't expect to win many friends here with this take.  I went to windup with one real goal; go to the Christopher Ward booth and try on the Twelve X and the Bel Canto.  

Part of my journey as a watch collector (paging Dr. @Aurelian ) is a constant drive to experience the new and uncomfortable things.  I know what I like.  I like well finished chronographs and GMTs with fancy flourishes.  

I am the personification of a luxury watch buyer in that I tend to value things like history and design and improved engineering even if I pay a premium for those things.  Value doesn't move me much. My watches are jewelry.  Timekeeping I do with my phone. 

CW stands at the opposite end of her spectrum where the entire reason for their existence is the drive for improved value versus competitors. At the core of who they are is the value proposition they aren't cheating you like those other watchmakers because they only price up on their cost of goods sold by 3x.  They are the sabermetricians of watchmaking and I mean that as a compliment.  As a business proposition , they are exactly how I would run a watch company.

It is also the reason why they appeal to me so much less than the other premium microbrands.  Formex stands for hilariously overwrought engineering solutions to problems only watch nerds care about.  Monta is about just being the very best quality in the category.  Farer is all about unique and vibrant use of color and texture in the context of watches.  CW's "you would pay $5k for this anywhere else" orientation is admirable but not why I buy watches.

And so we have the Bel Canto and the Twelve X, two watches priced like IWCs, Tudors, and Omegas.  When I held one for the first time, I was struck by how light they were.  To be clear, I am no stranger to titanium. I own a titanium Seiko and am wearing a titanium Radiomir right now. Titanium, by virtue of its lightness, can run the risk of feeling flimsy.  A good titanium watch to me needs to be well balanced and have a low center of gravity, otherwise it begins to feel odd on wrist.  On this, I found both the Bel Canto and the Twelve X somewhat lacking. Given that neither is a particularly tall watch, I do wonder if it has something to do with the way that the movements are sitting in the case.

There is also the matter of them mixing usages of grade 5 and grade 2 titanium.  I don't mind this in theory, but I do think they made a choice to prioritize the case of the watch looking better for longer by using Grade 5 there with somewhat less care for the bracelet.  The potential for differential wear patterns on the bracelet and the case is significant.

On the Twelve X, I did not particularly like the finishing on the dial side of movement (particularly the top barrel).  The sound of the Bel Canto was okay though I admit that that feeling of the button press to switch the chime on and off was very good.

This is all very nitpicky of course but movement into a new market segment invites it.  And I am no more valid a watch authority than anyone here.  If you love it, then that is all you should care about.

But as is the case generally with me and CW, I walked away marveling at just how much they had accomplished within the budget but not particularly motivated to buy. C'est la vie.

Part Two has dropped.

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Quick read of the previews. Nice! Mostly my hit list as well.

Now, I’m trapped at SFO waiting for a broken BART 😂🙄. Rain killed it 😧

Hopefully see in person soon!

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Ohh, can’t wait to see what JM is up to. I’m gonna try and meet with them locally in a few weeks.

Man, I meant to ask you to get a feel or wrist shot of the Autark Small Seconds. No videos or reviews online but wearing the GMT makes me wonder if Horage is on my horizon.

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Fieldwalker

Quick read of the previews. Nice! Mostly my hit list as well.

Now, I’m trapped at SFO waiting for a broken BART 😂🙄. Rain killed it 😧

Hopefully see in person soon!

We Californians can't deal with rain! The system isn't built for it!

It's going to be so much fun!

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Very nice recap. Again, sad I’m not in SF this weekend. I have to say, not without surprise, have to agree with most of the assessments.

The titanium CW12 is why I opted for steel.

So many neck beards… :-) Seriously, how hard is it to compliment the watches and walk away?

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valleykilmers

Ohh, can’t wait to see what JM is up to. I’m gonna try and meet with them locally in a few weeks.

Man, I meant to ask you to get a feel or wrist shot of the Autark Small Seconds. No videos or reviews online but wearing the GMT makes me wonder if Horage is on my horizon.

I got you! As we share wrist sizes (wrist bros as it were, the Autark small seconds on my wrist felt super similar to the K2 GMT. I don't know if they are the exact same case but if not, they are close cousins. Obviously titanium so as light as a feather.

It presents as a lot dressier than the GMT which may or may not float your boat.

I actually found it too light for my tastes given that the K2 is already a very light watch. So definitely try before buying.

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Very thoughtful reviews.

I too would be sad 😢 about Typesim not having anything to handle. I've wondered how their lume looks after some wear.

Also agree with your thoughts on Vero. If one wanted a unique looking dive watch in the microbrand space, you'd be hard pressed to find something better. Maybe Nodus, but that's about it.

I also love them using a kinetic movement AND doing a collab with the unsung heros, IMO, of the enforcement/tactical/outdoor community. The US forest service. I mean our national forest parks are AMAZING.

For anyone who was there, any hints on Jack Mason?

Personally I'm hoping for a kinda over the top tool/tactical type spin on things.....👀🤏🏻🤘🏻😆. Buuuuut I digress lol.

In other news, saw my first Farer in the real world, and I'd wholeheartedly echo what you said. Great looking watches, beautiful, but I'm also in the "need more jazz hands" category 😂🤣.

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Very thoughtful reviews.

I too would be sad 😢 about Typesim not having anything to handle. I've wondered how their lume looks after some wear.

Also agree with your thoughts on Vero. If one wanted a unique looking dive watch in the microbrand space, you'd be hard pressed to find something better. Maybe Nodus, but that's about it.

I also love them using a kinetic movement AND doing a collab with the unsung heros, IMO, of the enforcement/tactical/outdoor community. The US forest service. I mean our national forest parks are AMAZING.

For anyone who was there, any hints on Jack Mason?

Personally I'm hoping for a kinda over the top tool/tactical type spin on things.....👀🤏🏻🤘🏻😆. Buuuuut I digress lol.

In other news, saw my first Farer in the real world, and I'd wholeheartedly echo what you said. Great looking watches, beautiful, but I'm also in the "need more jazz hands" category 😂🤣.

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AllTheWatches

Very nice recap. Again, sad I’m not in SF this weekend. I have to say, not without surprise, have to agree with most of the assessments.

The titanium CW12 is why I opted for steel.

So many neck beards… :-) Seriously, how hard is it to compliment the watches and walk away?

Neck beards and niche enthusiast circles seem to go hand in hand.

Of interesting note, rarely do these types actually have the items they are railing against 😂.

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solidyetti

Neck beards and niche enthusiast circles seem to go hand in hand.

Of interesting note, rarely do these types actually have the items they are railing against 😂.

Nevermind have, they’ve usually never seen on in person.

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Hanging out with you, your friend, and your cousin was definitely the highlight of the trip. And isn’t that what watch enthusiasm is all about? The connections and time (ahem) together. Closing out my time there with free whiskey was fun, but probably not great as it took 30 minutes just to get to the freeway.

But yes, looking back at my pictures, the Jack Mason Ellum and the Horages definitely stood out. Thanks for saving me from endless embarrassment when I almost took a picture of the secret JM watch. 🤣😂😆

These two caught my eye. What can I say, I’m a simpleton.

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Great to meet you as well!

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"Journey", oy gevalt...

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AllTheWatches

Very nice recap. Again, sad I’m not in SF this weekend. I have to say, not without surprise, have to agree with most of the assessments.

The titanium CW12 is why I opted for steel.

So many neck beards… :-) Seriously, how hard is it to compliment the watches and walk away?

Or say nothing!

I don't like a LOT of watches...which is why I write about watches here. The guy who owns the brand doesn't need to hear it from me.

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Edge168n

Or say nothing!

I don't like a LOT of watches...which is why I write about watches here. The guy who owns the brand doesn't need to hear it from me.

Was Aracnaut there? Curious to your take on the metal.

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Ah, man! Wish I could have been there!

Wish you could have been too!

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solidyetti

TBH, up until @AllTheWatches #microtournament this year, I hadn't really thought about how distinctive their logo is.

Then, based off comments, I started to mull it over....

It really clicked when I picked one out across a coffee shop. Blue Neptune. While I knew it was prolly some type of Mid-Century micro take, soon as I saw the logo, knew exactly what it was.

Trying to hold off on the Zephyr, cuz without lume I would wear it rarely.....but I just like the tonneau two hander with that guilloche dial. And the price isn't bad either.

The chevrons make it feel like a brand with heritage that's been revived rather than a micro that was founded only a couple years ago. I talked to Lauren briefly about it, and it is clear that the logo was something they had thought very deeply about.

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Edge168n

Love it!

I hope more people post their reflections and thoughts on Windup.

On the Minase, it's not so much the dial color as the lugs that capture my imagination. They're so dramatic.

And given the exchange rate between here and Japan, you could very well find your Speedy in a watch shop there.

Ask @SpecKTator about finding watches there!

@bigwrist415 - here is the online shop for Jackroad and Betty in Nakano Broadway, about 30 mins by train from Tokyo Station. https://www.jackroad.co.jp/shop/pages/access_en.aspx

I got my “grail” pre-owned Seamaster AT and a GS GMT for a huge discount, between the great exchange rate ($1usd =155yen), tax free shopping, and lucking out on the way back where there were no declaration forms needed.

The problem is deciding what you bring home 🤣😂

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Thanks for the link - am excited to watch hunt in Japan - the Aqua Terra (white dial - orange seconds hand or the AT green dial are also on the top of my list)!

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I've been intrigued with the Lorca GMT ever since I saw it on Hodinkee. I do have a small wrist, so it would fit me great. And I appreciate the idiosyncratic design. I think it's probably the best-looking GMT out there that doesn't look like a Rolex clone. Alas, at $1750 for a caller, it's hard to swallow when other brands (Maen, Traska, Farer) offer options for much less.

Also, I don't know about having a watch named after a Star Trek character. But that probably just outs me as a giant nerd.

Edit - Oh, and that Nivada Spider is a beauty. But I'm a sucker for midcentury design.

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chord0

I've been intrigued with the Lorca GMT ever since I saw it on Hodinkee. I do have a small wrist, so it would fit me great. And I appreciate the idiosyncratic design. I think it's probably the best-looking GMT out there that doesn't look like a Rolex clone. Alas, at $1750 for a caller, it's hard to swallow when other brands (Maen, Traska, Farer) offer options for much less.

Also, I don't know about having a watch named after a Star Trek character. But that probably just outs me as a giant nerd.

Edit - Oh, and that Nivada Spider is a beauty. But I'm a sucker for midcentury design.

It's a beautiful watch. Very vintage in design including the bracelet which has all the twist and stretch of a vintage one.

My biggest fear for the Lorca is that Soprod movement. I keep hearing whispers of movement and QC issues that keep me on the sidelines.

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Fun read, as always. I have plans to get to a Windup sooner than later, but probably not this year. However, I'll be traveling to London in a few weeks and plan to swing by the CW and Vertex brick and mortar shops to get hands on for the first time. As for #jackmason I already own the WC x JM collaboration, but I plan to pickup another soon. The quality and design are fantastic!

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watchobsessed

Fun read, as always. I have plans to get to a Windup sooner than later, but probably not this year. However, I'll be traveling to London in a few weeks and plan to swing by the CW and Vertex brick and mortar shops to get hands on for the first time. As for #jackmason I already own the WC x JM collaboration, but I plan to pickup another soon. The quality and design are fantastic!

You're SLc right? There's always that quick hop Southwest flight from SLC to Oakland...you could be here by 8am tmrw morning 😂

Windup is a very enjoyable couple of hours. I was at the old Baselworld and SIHH once upon a time and haven't been to the Watches and wonders offshoot yet....but windup is the exact right level of seriousness for me when it comes to watches which is to say not at all.

You could have handled the super secret JM!

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Edge168n

You're SLc right? There's always that quick hop Southwest flight from SLC to Oakland...you could be here by 8am tmrw morning 😂

Windup is a very enjoyable couple of hours. I was at the old Baselworld and SIHH once upon a time and haven't been to the Watches and wonders offshoot yet....but windup is the exact right level of seriousness for me when it comes to watches which is to say not at all.

You could have handled the super secret JM!

Yep, SLC is home! I'd love to catch a quick flight to Oakland, but I just spent the week in Phoenix and I'm headed to London in a week. Good thing is the amount of watch fairs and other events seems to be growing and becoming more accessible than Geneva or Dubai. Plus I recently joined the Utah Horological Society and I'm enjoying the monthly events they set up with a number of brands. All to keep watches a fun and exciting addition to my mundane life.

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AllTheWatches

Was Aracnaut there? Curious to your take on the metal.

Forgot to respond to this one. Arcanaut was not there.

Nor was Monta, Farer, or Nodus. Which felt slightly odd but it might have just that was there on the first day.

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bigwrist415

It really helps me to read other peoples takes on watches. There are vendors that I'll simply walk by because I'm not familiar with their product. However, having others share what they like about the brand, helps me understand what I may not be appreciating when it comes to their brand.

For example, I looked at the Minase watches and while some of the lacquered dials were beautiful; it wasn't something I aspired to own. There was one standout for me. I think it was green dial - simply beautiful and looked like I was looking into a pool of calm sea water. The representative told me that the case was made of two sections that was constructed to maximize the light rippling effect.

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My opinions are just my own and I offer them as an example of what I like with the experience I currently have. I'll give my quick takes on watches and I WELCOME others to comment on my opinions and share something with me that might help me appreciate the brand more.

Christopher Ward - there was a time I wanted to own the Sealander GMT,

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but there are watches from Oak & Oscar that I connect with more. I had a chance to talk to the owner of the brand and he was just so unassuming, pleasant, and appreciative of people showing interest in his watches. He asked me which watch caught my eye and I didn't have time to really think about my response. I told him I liked all his watches. I like the aesthetic. I think there is something very unstated but confident in his watch design. I like the color and font choices. There is nothing distracting about the dial layout, but it also isn't plain or boring. I like that the dial isn't busy and center circle of the dial. I like all orange second hands and I like the "O" at one end of the second hand.

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I have a japan trip in the near future and I'm likely to be looking at this Seiko 5 GMT. Will be difficult for me to resist buying this JDM on a value or trip souvenir basis. However, I try to remind myself to check if I'll be excited to wear the watch or will I just wear it to give it wrist time.

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Jack Mason:

I stopped by to see the new Strat-o-Timer and the Ellum. Peter was working and he was so gracious to talk to. Last year at Wind Up, I watched ALL the Jack Mason videos because I was so hyped about the Watch Crunch / Jack Mason collaboration. When I say I watched ALL the videos, I watched ALL the videos. coming to work with dog, check; sitting on sofa pondering; check; sketching out the case; check. I was so excited to get a watch designed by people that I respected and have helped me on my watch journey. Unfortunately, that collab didn't resonate for me as much as I wanted it to. It certainly resonated with many other people! It was reminder to me that everyone can like different things and it doesn't make it wrong. I still felt a bit awkward about it so I forgot to ask about this secret watch drop that's upcoming. That's what being timid gets you. I look forward to finding the @TimeToDesign for me.

Marathon:

What can I say? I saw a GSAR on a post by @Catskinner and I was hooked! I was immediately intrigued and I'm still intrigued a year later. If I had one, I'd be happy to wear it every time I put it on. I like the company story and I like the no-nonsense aspect of this watch. WindUp was my first time to actually try on this watch. While I can rock the 41mm ... it would be really cool to try to rock the 46mm Jumbo :)

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This reply is going on a bit long and I hope someone finds it interesting or helpful. Not trying to meander for no one's benefit.

Why haven't I bought any of the above watches yet? Well, I'm still trying to decide what I like and I want each watch to be special. The value proposition is something that matters to me and I want to get watches that mean something to me and not to flex. I'm still looking for my first Speedy, but I think my next watch will be acquired when i'm in Japan and if I can get a Seiko Pogue or Pogue-adjacent or a Seiko-44KS - that will check off all my boxes.

From the above, some of you wizards will have already figured out what watch types I'm drawn to and I'd like tips on brands or watches to look at :)

The Marathon SARs are a breath of fresh air in a landscape full of depressingly similar looking divers.

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How did you like the 346?

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corsokid

How did you like the 346?

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It wears beautifully for a watch of the size and the flourishes like the rose gold hands make it very special

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Looks like a great event. Sometimes I hate living out here in the hinterlands.

I see they'll be in Chicago in July and NY in October. Hmm, maybe I could work something out.

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chord0

Looks like a great event. Sometimes I hate living out here in the hinterlands.

I see they'll be in Chicago in July and NY in October. Hmm, maybe I could work something out.

New York is the mother ship so that's the one to go to if you want to make it a to-do. Great weather too.