Emotional hijacking and how we (mis)manage our expectations...

I've been doing a lot of posts related in one way or another to analyzing watches in a more objective manner. This is something I've always thought about, but in practice I find it's hard to exercise because watches after all are mostly emotional purchases for me. However, I have also been doing some courses for my work and having conversations with my AD and other enthusiasts which have helped me in my quest to better understand what drives me and possibly others to these little trinkets. This is a long-form post, you've been warned...If you're more of a TLDR type feel free to skip to the final "My head hurts..." portion.

I have an office job and work in a pretty technical and corporate environment. However, my company is privately owned so the owners have a lot of leeway as to how they manage the business. One thing they've been focusing more on is training staff on how to be more emotionally intelligent. For folks that deal in tech and engineering, EQ is not typically the demographic's strong-suit. So I find it quite refreshing. And honestly, I think we can all really help ourselves by simply being more self-aware, empathetic and value focused. When I say value, I don't mean in an economic sense, I mean as in what we actually value personally.

I'll structure this post by basically trying to address comments/questions that typically swirl in my head. Also, subjects that when I see them in comments, I compulsively feel the need to chime in. This is not meant to be a psychology major essay, just observations from a generally nerdy dude.

Watch X is not worth the price!

A lot of times people look at the price of a watch and start talking about how much "value" it offers. Conversely people talk about how overpriced a watch is and how you can get something much better for the same or lower price. Well, here is the thing, when people talk about economic "value", it's usually relative to what comparably priced products offer in terms of a category. So, for example, people will compare two divers in the $1-2k price range, not necessarily two divers actually meant for diving, or actually meant for casual wear, or actually meant for tough every-day wear, etc.

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Humans have a knack for compartmentalizing the world around them. We put everything in a box, then label it, then organize the boxes in order of importance. The issue with looking at watches that way is that they cannot be categorized in a way everyone unanimously agrees on. Why? Because we all value different things in different measures. Again, I don't think this is a surprise to anyone here on WC. But even so, I'm sure you'll find yourself telling someone how much good value a watch offers sometimes without asking: "What matters to you?" first.

I myself resisted buying a plain black Seiko Turtle because I did not think paying $400 for a watch with no bracelet and a mineral crystal made sense. So I bought the King Turtle Manta instead. Well, I just bought the plain black one and I like it more! The value was not in the watch, it was in the original design which made me feel like a diver in the 70’s. Many of us are just cosplayers at the end of the day.

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Another good way I can describe this is with a story my AD told me about a guy who came into her store recently. He looked at some Seiko 5 divers, commented on how they weren't as good as a Rolex, then called her later and bluntly asked if she would sell him one at 50% off! This person doesn't understand value, economic or practical for that matter. You cannot compare the two things on any level, yet in his mind he should be able to get something as good as a Rolex at half the MSRP of the bottom tier of a much less expensive brand! I've never seen anyone on WC go to these extremes. But definitely I've seen people compare watches that simply cannot be. Not because their price is not comparable, but because the value they offer outside just their price is not measurable. More on that below.

"Budget" watches are disposable...

It drives me a little nuts when people talk about how some affordable watches are "disposable". The usual argument is that it has a movement that cannot be serviced, or it's cheaper to replace the whole watch than service, or the brand doesn't retain its original MSRP market value. So here's my hot take on that: Almost ALL watches are disposable! You know why? Because they can all be recycled, most movements are cheaper to replace than service properly (paying for top-notch labor costs a lot of money!) and at the end of the day, even if a watch retains its original value, it will never be as robust as a brand new watch. But Swiss brands have convinced us a “good” watch should last for generations.

People simply view less expensive watches as disposable because they can afford to have that point of view. When something is less expensive, we are also less likely to grow emotionally attached to it. However, think of this, if your father or mother gave you their F-91 they wore most of their life, would you consider it disposable? Likely not. Yet in practical terms, it makes far more sense to replace it if it breaks. For that matter, most watches have diminishing value in terms of function, or at least their movements do. Eventually, all things break.

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Here's the thing with movements these days, many of them are made very efficiently thanks to the magic of vertical integration and automation in manufacturing. I hear many people say how an NH35 is not worth servicing because a brand new one costs $40. Well, a brand new Sellita movement costs about $150 which is cheaper or the same price as servicing one. But no one mentions that. Swatch group could very well afford to simply swap out the ETA movements in many of their watches rather than pay a watch maker to service it. Maybe they do? In any case, many people that choose to service their watch do it to not be wasteful, but the economics of doing so aren't as good as maybe they used to be. Of course, there are exceptions, I’m only saying we tend to single out the lower price brackets.

The kicker here is also with in-house movements. Some people see "in-house " as a dirty word. But again, all Seiko's are in-house, Swatch group is in-house, and both those brands have proven to be reliable. Tudor became in-house relatively recently and some people just aren't sure about it. But you know how they became in-house? EDIT: They organized an industry effort to create their own manufacturing company Kenissi. They now share ownership with Chanel and make movements for not just Tudor, but multiple brands. Now, not all in-house movements can claim the same reliability. All I’m saying is who makes the movement matters more than whether it is in-house or not.

My point here is that most people look at low price and "disposable" in the same vein. But truly, even at higher ranges, a lot of what we pay for in watches has little to do with how much they cost to make or how reliable they are. It has mostly to do with how they make us feel. And brands want us to think this way, with our hearts, because there is no way to put a price on a feeling.

Graphic description warning: one of my military colleagues described the most impressive watch he’s ever seen. Can you guess? It was a digital Casio that was still going after a bomb blast, it was attached to the severed arm of the suicide bomber who committed the act. My colleague wore a Timex Ironman himself, on his vest, not his wrist.

Why is my multi-$k watch not perfectly perfect?!

Here is a common post: "My watch is 4 seconds out of spec? What should I do?!". Usually, it's with luxury brands like Rolex, Omega, Breitling, etc. You will also see these: "Wearing my Tudor to chop some wood today!". So clearly people expect these watches to be nearly indestructible, because this is the image those brands have fed us. After all, military, explorers and athletes all wear these watches. Not to mention the brands have spent hundreds of millions in technology and R&D to give us the best of the best.

I was not alive in the 60s or 70s, I was a toddler in the 80's, so I don't know if what I'm about to say is a fact. However, talking to some older military colleagues and older watch enthusiasts in general, what I surmised was than "back then" people routinely broke their watches and thus routinely had them serviced or replaced. Crazy huh?! These little mechanical devices with tiny delicate parts actually break.

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"Back then" however, people also bought their watches for more practical purposes. Subs were a couple thousand dollars and were reliable and premium, but practical watches nonetheless. I have a hard time thinking someone in the 70's ran back to the shop when their watch was running 10sec/day fast. But maybe I'm wrong...Here is the thing however, many of those name brands no longer sell us watches for practical use, they sell them as luxury accessories.

Luxury accessories are not meant to be practical, or logical for that matter. They are usually frivolous objects we buy to make ourselves feel special or simply because we want to admire them. Your Pelagos is tough sure, but it was not designed to accompany you while you load cement. If that's what you want to do, by all means it's your watch, just temper your expectations is all I'm saying. Don't be aggravated if it breaks or starts acting funny. My dad was not a big watch guy, but you know what he did when he played sports, or did anything physical? He took off his watch.

Another AD story here...she bought her husband a fine silk shirt, he typically wears Costco brand T's. One day he decides to throw it in the washer, then the dryer. He ruined his "luxury" shirt then complained to his wife "how come this much more expensive shirt is not as good as my cheap Costco shirts?". She replied "guess you're not meant to have luxury products..."

Brand/watch X is all hype, don't be fooled!

This is the biggest form of emotional hijacking that takes us all by surprise: the thought that we're paying for hype or status not just a watch. But again, if you tell yourself you’re buying a watch for anything other than emotional purposes you might already be blind to your intentions. If you truly understand you’re buying watches for mostly emotional reasons you likely won’t be one of the people throwing shots at “hype watches”.

Let me clarify something, this is not a holier-than-thou post. I myself deal with this and all the issues above ALL the time. I’m only trying my best to be more self-aware is all. What we term as hype is nothing more than clever marketing tactics to incite another common acronym: FOMO (fear of missing out). Once more, I’m sure this is not news to anyone, but once more if you’re a human you’re likely still vulnerable to this.

No one likes being manipulated, no one likes thinking they and they alone are not responsible for every decision they make. However, we don’t fully understand our lizard brains, so inevitably we play a game of cat and mouse with our subconscious constantly. Thus, the typical response to “hype” is going to be FOMO or the opposite, animosity at the thought of being influenced. “Why do you keep spouting all this obvious s#*t Hector?” Well, because knowing how our emotions work and actually being self-aware in the moment are two totally different things!

Story time again...I went to my AD a couple months ago and tried on some Seiko watches. One was a Seiko 5 reissue LE, this one to be precise:

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She also had the Seiko 5 with Snoopy on it which I just totally ignored to be honest. Well now both those watches are going for a premium on the used market. I actually told myself when I saw that “should’ve bought them when you had the chance…” and then I went looking for one! I don’t actually like them all that much, but I also don’t like the thought I won’t be able to buy them if I change my mind. Or worse, that I will have to pay more than MSRP if I want one. It took me a whole day to come back to my senses. And yet, if I saw that Seiko 5 diver again at my AD, I might buy it…

It's better to get what you actually want than get something similar…

This is the most well-intentioned comment I see all the time. It really boils down to it’s better to have a single premium watch you actually want than many less expensive watches that only hold your attention temporarily. For the most part, this makes sense and seems like sound advice. However, this is the flaw I see in it: a lot of people don’t actually know what they want.

So, the solution is to go try on a bunch of watches right? Find the one you like then just buy the one good one instead of wasting time with one-night stands. Well, this is not practical for everyone. In fact, I don’t think it’s practical for most. And it’s usually well-seasoned enthusiast that give this advice. But maybe we should consider they already went through their own discovery phase.

Everyone starts enjoying watches at different times. Some since childhood, some in young adulthood, some in mature adulthood. Whatever the case, your likes and dislikes are typically linked to hands-on experiences you’ve had. If you have not had them, only one way to do it: actually owning watches. Not just reading about them or trying them on. No matter how much you spend on your first watch, that’s still your first experience. You don’t know if it’s going to be your true love right away. It’s not the price that matters in other words, it’s the whole experience, and you cannot predict that easily.

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I think more sound advice might be “try one style at a time, not many”. This will allow you to focus more intently. If you think you like dress watches, just try that one style. Whether it’s a JLC Reverso or an Orient Bambino depends on what you’re able/willing to spend, but just focus on the experience. Maybe you try both and discover you don’t like square watches, so next you try a Longines moon phase. By then you might figure you want sports as well or instead, so you go on to the next style.

Finally, we can also consider there are seasoned enthusiasts that still opt to buy lots of lower priced watches vs few expensive ones. Well then that is just their style! Maybe it’s A.D.D., maybe it’s just pure child-like excitement, but the point is, some people like having a big box full of toys. That is what they want.

My head hurts Hector. Who cares about any of this…?

Maybe this is what you’re thinking if you made it this far. And if it is, then congratulations! You are now experiencing what it’s like for me to try and be self-aware. It hurts, it’s hard and it’s probably why so many people don’t practice it routinely. It should also be approached with caution because overthinking is a real thing and can also lead to anxiety which is just not worth it when it comes to something as inconsequential as watches.

I’ll end with my own story once more, one that involves all the aspects I discussed here. It’s about how I fell in love, then out of love, then back in love with the Rolex Submariner. But I still don’t know if that’s how it will end…

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When I got back into watches in my 30’s, I started with simple Casio’s. I still love them to this day. But my next itch was for a Rolex, because we’ve all been there. Being the hyper practical and no-nonsense guy I am, I thought Submariner, duh. Well I obsessed about it for a long time, tried to convince myself I should just get one, etc. etc. Well I saw one in the flesh finally, on my coworker’s wrist. He let me handle it and try it on. I felt nothing….it was cold and blocky. I should note it was a 2017 model. So it had the beefed-up case, maxi dial, ceramic bezel, etc. So I gave up on it. I also though to myself “this watch is not worth $10k, not by far”. After all I could get an Omega SMP for much less, and so that became my new target.

When I finally had the chance to buy an expensive watch, you know what I did? I bought a Grand Seiko! Haha, nothing like what I had originally set on. I love my GS, really. It’s everything I thought it would be. And best of all I really felt I got value for money out of the GS, more so than the SMP or Sub. But that Sub still kept creeping into my thoughts.

I said to myself: "ok, maybe it’s just new Subs that I don’t like. I’ll just build a vintage style Sub and see how that feels." And so I did that. As soon as I built it, I really liked it! I started telling myself: “maybe I don’t need a Rolex after all!” I mean my self-built homage is made of stainless steel, it has a perfectly serviceable or easily replaceable NH38 movement, and it looks great. So why am I still thinking about that stupid Rolex?!

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Then I start researching vintage Subs. I do like their look more, and I also saw some of them in the wild. Thoughts confirmed, they are “better”. But do I really want a $10k watch with a 40 year old movement? F#*k no! Best next thing? A newer vintage model. In comes the 14060M, my perfect Rolex. Old looks, but a 3130 movement with modern materials, magnetic resistance, etc.

Now back to the value proposition…over $10k for a used watch?! WTF, am I serious here?! I can get soooo many “better” watches for that money. I can get a new AND a used Omega diver couple for that money! C’mon Hector, make some sense!

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Well, emotions don’t make sense. Rolex knows this, they have climbed to the top by achieving the highest commercial value via emotional value thanks to their unrivaled marketing. They know how to create an experience, not just make a good watch. And the cost of that experience is over $10k. Case closed. I will buy a used Sub at some point. Will I get the experience? I don’t know, but I sure have to try or I’ll never know.

Honestly, if you made it this far, good on you. You are a glutton for punishment or just hoped this would have a more rewarding ending. Sorry if I disappointed you, but at least you can say you tried. And if you got triggered at any point, but then came back down, maybe you even looked inside yourself a bit more than usual.

Keep it real WC.

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I like it, and it's good to see that you are fully aware that applying logic to what is basically an emotional purchase is futile.

That being said, I really want to buy a new watch today...

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Well done Hector. I think most of us are guilty of many of these and we can certainly debate many of them. We all have the various points we want to tell ourselves. I do hope you get your Sub at some point.

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My wife & I go through a similar exercise when shopping for things like art, furnishings or appliances.

Example;

Wife: "ohh I like that! How much?"

Me: "$1000"

Both: "I don't $1000 like it."

You've touched on some things here that I've been thinking about and feeling recently and eventually I'll get them all written out & polished up. These thoughts are mostly for me, like your post is for you; but I think we can all benefit from this.

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Wow, that was a lot of thoughts and keystrokes. Buy and wear what you like and can afford. Take care of your watch and each other. All else is icing on the cake.

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AllTheWatches

Well done Hector. I think most of us are guilty of many of these and we can certainly debate many of them. We all have the various points we want to tell ourselves. I do hope you get your Sub at some point.

Let me just add gray market anxiety to this list....lol. I hope I get it in the next year or two!

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tonmed

Let me just add gray market anxiety to this list....lol. I hope I get it in the next year or two!

Is your GS dealer a Rolex AD? While Subs certainly are hard to get, you never know, could get lucky and get one at an AD.

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AllTheWatches

Is your GS dealer a Rolex AD? While Subs certainly are hard to get, you never know, could get lucky and get one at an AD.

No he is not, but more importantly I'm looking to get an older 14060M. So gray market is my only option, that or Rolex pre-owned program I suppose, which is even more expensive!

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tonmed

No he is not, but more importantly I'm looking to get an older 14060M. So gray market is my only option, that or Rolex pre-owned program I suppose, which is even more expensive!

That is right, excellent choice BTW. Totally get the fear of grey. Good or not, I think I would stick to the likes of Bobs, Crown and Caliber, etc. I am not sure I would trust some random grey. My biggest fear buying one of that era is the previous owner took it to his local maker who did not use OEM parts, so I want someone to be able to back it up if it goes sideways.

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Great article glad you took the time to write it down and I get the Rolex challenge and it is a challenge to first decide to buy one, I know myself I won’t spend that type of money on a Rolex unless I win the lottery, but it’s good to dream, anyways I got my first mechanical movement watch, I know it’s just a Tissot seastar 1000 43 mm for me I like it that’s all that matters, and do spend a lot of time looking at watches and reading about watches and your article is one of the most honest and thoughtful and straightforward thanks for sharing

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Great write up Hector. So many food for thoughts. I have a hard time to find my rational how to value my experience with a watch. What makes me think, yes it’s totally worth it, or the opposite? But that’s the fun of it all.

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Thought-provoking post, thanks. Emotional = Irrational, sometimes.

As per the theme of your post, it's a morally conflicting 'hobby' if one thinks about it too hard; or maybe one is just an addicted consumer buying watches serially. Buy a $500+ watch; give an equal amount to charity, as a salve to your conscience?

I admire the watch makers and repairers, including the hobbyists who can service their own watches, and understand the mechanics of how movements work: the physics of springs storing energy, gear trains, escapements, and the controlled release of that energy. This can all be learnt with the wonders of YouTube tutorials. The history of the development of the wrist watch is also fascinating, but where can a mechanical watch go next? Continuous refinement? What else can you do with the mechanics? Personally, I think this is where the reward in this hobby lies, to take it beyond sheer consumerism and go deeper below the surface.

But I still irrationally hanker for an ALS Zeitwerk, and that SwatchxBlancpain is making me think : if the movement can be fixed/replaced, maybe it's not so terrible....? ) 🤣

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Wall of text hit me for 100% damage. It was super effective

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Thanks for the long form writing. It is always appreciated. The part that I particularly liked involved long term collectors' well intentioned advice trying to shorten the "discovery" phase of a new collector. I think that "buy what you like" is really pernicious advice, but sometimes we all have to make our own mistakes, even if they are expensive ones. Knowing what you like, and why you like it, sometimes takes years and a lot of bought and sold watches.

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Stan1965

Great article glad you took the time to write it down and I get the Rolex challenge and it is a challenge to first decide to buy one, I know myself I won’t spend that type of money on a Rolex unless I win the lottery, but it’s good to dream, anyways I got my first mechanical movement watch, I know it’s just a Tissot seastar 1000 43 mm for me I like it that’s all that matters, and do spend a lot of time looking at watches and reading about watches and your article is one of the most honest and thoughtful and straightforward thanks for sharing

Thanks for the compliment.

Tissot was actually my first love. I considered your watch for a while, but then I got a Seiko and they gripped me badly. It's another emotional brand for me 😬

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Wonderful write up and storytelling Hector 🍻 Watch collecting can be a maddening process for those of us compelled to continually ask Why.

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tonmed

I see your point. I would say however I am not interested in the buying experience, more so the ownership experience. And specifically from the perspective of how I feel when wearing it. Will I feel self-conscious? Will it feel like I only need that one watch? Will I get bored after a few days or weeks?

I don't think there's a mystery in it perse, just an unknown in the same way any other watch would be unknown. This one just has a pull on me for reasons I cannot describe.

This is something that ultimate only you will be able to answer. I have bought relatively inexpensive watches during my lifetime, and with the exception of a "vacation watch" being lost to a hotel pool, and my brother taking my first watch, I still have all the watches I ever bought, and they are all still perfectly functional. So, in hindsight they were "good watches", and with one exception they were all in the < $500 range, most less than $200. My oldest watch has been in constant use for 35 years.

I know that for myself that the money for a sub would be wasted on me. It wouldn't be a milestone or a goal, or anything of that sort. To me it would be "just a watch", but depending your financial situation or the environment that you live in, you might feel self-conscious about it, that's a good point.

But in the end, I personally have no desire to own one. I could see myself owning a Grand Seiko with a 9F movement, simply because it is different, but that would also be "another good watch".

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tonmed

Thanks for the correction. Will fix in an edit.

Hey, it happens. Thanks.

I’m rather passionate about Tudor.

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That's the best post I have seen around watches ever.

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I'm guilty of using my "tool" watch ...

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... at work instead of my G-SHOCK most of the time. Not because I don't like the G-Shock, it's more that I love looking at it all day. I'm not saying it's disposable but it is sturdy. Of course I am much more cognizant of where I swing my left arm 🤣

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MatthewT

My Father taught me “The poor man pays twice.” Meaning? If you want a $4000 watch and can’t afford it you will burn through $500 watches by neglecting them, losing them, breaking them until you reach the point where you’ve spent much more than $4k on watches you didn’t really want. My brother is the perfect example with sunglasses, “You moron you paid $300 for those Ray-Bans, I got these for $20!” And he got to spend an additional $400 on those cheap sunglasses due to breaking, losing etc. and 3 years later I still have my original Ray-Bans.

Absolutely

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MatthewT

My Father taught me “The poor man pays twice.” Meaning? If you want a $4000 watch and can’t afford it you will burn through $500 watches by neglecting them, losing them, breaking them until you reach the point where you’ve spent much more than $4k on watches you didn’t really want. My brother is the perfect example with sunglasses, “You moron you paid $300 for those Ray-Bans, I got these for $20!” And he got to spend an additional $400 on those cheap sunglasses due to breaking, losing etc. and 3 years later I still have my original Ray-Bans.

That's good advice, to a point. It's similar to "buy once, cry once", with the idea being spending more on a better quality object will save money in the long run, if you take care of it. With watches you don't have to spend anywhere near $4K to get a good quality watch that will last a lifetime.

There is a point though where saving for a long time to buy something can easily result in buyer's remorse, and disappointment.

eg. Many years ago I bought a Subaru WRX because I always wanted a WRX. After about a week of ownership I started to dislike the car. In my head I had built the WRX up to be the most amazing car on the planet, but after the honeymoon wore off, every little thing I didn't like about it started bothering me more and more. Six months later I traded it at a loss for another vehicle that went into with realistic expectations.

The real secret is to figure out why it is you want the expensive item, and then determine if that motivation is worth the actual cost and opportunity cost.

  1. Is a $4K watch worth that much to me based on what I actually want from a watch?

  2. What other opportunities am I missing out on by spending so much on a single watch?

All this to say, the standard "Just save up for what you really want" isn't actually always, or even most often, the best advice.

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Seikokalle

That's the best post I have seen around watches ever.

Thanks for the compliment!

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Very well spoken, Hector! That was a surprisingly a fun ride! 😂

Would you say that the root cause in all of this is pricing? In a hypothetical situation where all watches were the same price and affordable to all, would we still find a way to create these lingering conflicts in our collecting habits?

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Completely agree. I was “lucky” enough to pay retail for my rolex gmt fully acknowledging a big chunck of that msrp is just branding but it was an emotional purchase for me.

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Wow, that is a lot of thinking just buying a watch! Since you were very young during the 80s I am guessing that you are in the same age cohort of my two daughters and younger girl’s husband so I do understand the general messages of your post. I noticed one more senior member who already thought you are overthinking the process in his post. I actually enjoyed your post enough to engage my wife in an early morning discussion about how younger people assess situations and circumstances differently from guys who have been around longer. My wife is ten years younger than I am, just took the opportunity to criticize my inability or unwillingness to engage younger persons socially or professionally when I was still working 6 days a week.

Through all the decades that I have been fascinated with timepieces my additions were determined by two simple factors: did I want the watch, could I pay for it without financial hardship? We all arrive at our choices based on deeply personal or perhaps insignificant factors but we do all make decisions. My first serious watch was a 60s Omega Seamaster fitted with a beads of rice bracelet gifted to me by my immigrant parents the summer before I started middle school. I wore that token for almost 20 years until my graduation from university working a few years as a grunt in an architectectural firm that employed a 100 guys like me. My next watches were 3 Rolex watches, an upgrade Omega and a Cartier Santos Carree until one day I noticed that my two tone Datejust wasn’t just boring but ubiquitous, there had to be 30 fellas who wore the same watch drinking shitty tepid coffees complaining about the senior design partner getting the accolades from our labours. I sold my 3 Rolex watches and started a decades long love affair with other brands that continues today. My next watch is a smoke grey dial Baume & Mercier Moonphase watch that my ad had to special order due to the model’s lack of popularity. Each year starting during the last days of September and first week in October, we Chinese celebrate the Mid-Autumn/ Moon festival. My new Moonphase will be my small nod to my ethnicity, respecting the long line of persons who observed that event before I. Thx for the post, do not exactly agree but still a provocative read which is always appreciated.

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snakey_jakee

Very well spoken, Hector! That was a surprisingly a fun ride! 😂

Would you say that the root cause in all of this is pricing? In a hypothetical situation where all watches were the same price and affordable to all, would we still find a way to create these lingering conflicts in our collecting habits?

I think if all watches were affordable, in the sense they all cost something closer to production cost, we would still have these debates. Supposing all other aspects were the same in terms of marketing, limited edition releases, inflated gray market pricing, etc.

It's hard to imagine a world where companies don't charge large amounts for a product that's in high demand though. Like say it was a legally regulated market, they would probably find a way to make more money off of add-ons and upsells like really pushing accessories or even more color variations etc.

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TOwguy

Wow, that is a lot of thinking just buying a watch! Since you were very young during the 80s I am guessing that you are in the same age cohort of my two daughters and younger girl’s husband so I do understand the general messages of your post. I noticed one more senior member who already thought you are overthinking the process in his post. I actually enjoyed your post enough to engage my wife in an early morning discussion about how younger people assess situations and circumstances differently from guys who have been around longer. My wife is ten years younger than I am, just took the opportunity to criticize my inability or unwillingness to engage younger persons socially or professionally when I was still working 6 days a week.

Through all the decades that I have been fascinated with timepieces my additions were determined by two simple factors: did I want the watch, could I pay for it without financial hardship? We all arrive at our choices based on deeply personal or perhaps insignificant factors but we do all make decisions. My first serious watch was a 60s Omega Seamaster fitted with a beads of rice bracelet gifted to me by my immigrant parents the summer before I started middle school. I wore that token for almost 20 years until my graduation from university working a few years as a grunt in an architectectural firm that employed a 100 guys like me. My next watches were 3 Rolex watches, an upgrade Omega and a Cartier Santos Carree until one day I noticed that my two tone Datejust wasn’t just boring but ubiquitous, there had to be 30 fellas who wore the same watch drinking shitty tepid coffees complaining about the senior design partner getting the accolades from our labours. I sold my 3 Rolex watches and started a decades long love affair with other brands that continues today. My next watch is a smoke grey dial Baume & Mercier Moonphase watch that my ad had to special order due to the model’s lack of popularity. Each year starting during the last days of September and first week in October, we Chinese celebrate the Mid-Autumn/ Moon festival. My new Moonphase will be my small nod to my ethnicity, respecting the long line of persons who observed that event before I. Thx for the post, do not exactly agree but still a provocative read which is always appreciated.

Certainly, I am overthinking things, that is just my personality and tendency 😎

one day I noticed that my two tone Datejust wasn’t just boring but ubiquitous, there had to be 30 fellas who wore the same watch drinking shitty tepid coffees complaining about the senior design partner getting the accolades from our labours

This description of yours was really interesting to me. I think what you maybe view as a mundane anecdote is exactly what a company like Rolex would use to romanticize their watches. I can see their ad already: a room full of successful young professionals in the 70's working in what is obviously some sort of firm and having a laugh or serious conversation while wearing their DJ's.

You also made me wonder if we're all going through similar cycles or if previous generations genuinely see things differently. One of my older colleagues has a similar story to yours. He bought his Rolex at a time when many of his co-workers bought them in the 80's. He now has a "rule" that he won't buy a watch if someone at work or a friend already owns it. My age group on the other hand has 3 guys on the same floor who all bought the same Speedmaster within a year of each other and they all love it! Maybe in 10 years one of them will get bored of it?

Lastly, I also found this interesting:

Through all the decades that I have been fascinated with timepieces my additions were determined by two simple factors: did I want the watch, could I pay for it without financial hardship?

I mean, you say this, but in the same paragraph you describe getting rid of your DJ because everyone else had one and getting a moon phase not many wanted and linked to your cultural background. So clearly the part of "wanting" the watch is driven by many things. Thus, the purchasing factors are few but not quite that simple?

To be fair, I can see how many people just follow their feelings and don't sit and overanalyze them like I do. Maybe that's a more rewarding outlook on life, it's just not how my brain works for better or worse.

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Like a Saab salesman told me 30 years ago when I was between the 9000 Turbo and Honda Accord, “You’ll be happy when you write the check for $20k less for the Honda but you’ll be happy every time you drive the Saab.” I bought the Saab.

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CityZen

I understand completely because I've experienced it firsthand. Every time I browse through watches, I follow your steps diligently. However, my wife often observes me from the side, and just when I'm about to resist buying one, she encourages me with a simple "Just get it, it's okay!" And, of course, I give in. This pattern continues until the next time. The truth is, if I want to break free from this watch-buying habit, it seems I'd have to part ways with my wife.

Wife "Enabler" = Keeper.

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I relate to this post. Not every point matches my experience and I'm not really interested in evaluating each in detail, but I do try to examine and be realistic about what I'm doing in this hobby.

I've been influenced by reviews. I've compared luxury to knockoffs. But I'm most content when I get something that appeals to me on its own. Of course, it may share features and some style with others, but I've not yet experienced disappointment with a watch as a placeholder...yet.

At the risk of spoiling another post I have in mind, I like what I have as representatives of categories of watches. And when I see something new my usual response now is, "No, I've got <x>. I'm fine." And yet, I still buy some things impulsively. Mostly inexpensive, fun, almost silly, things. But as well reasoned as I can seems at times, I'm as unpredictable as the next person.

"Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)" --Walt Whitman