Is the BB58 still considered good value?

Lately I've been looking to buy a somewhat "luxury" everyday watch and I've noticed a lot of people recommending the BB58 (and Tudor in general). The watch certainly looks great, but currently retails for 3880 EUR, which is much higher than the price it seems to have had a couple of years ago. (I recall some reviews mentioning a price closer to 3000 EUR) The new Tudor Ranger is priced at 2900 EUR and the Pelagos is around 4500 EUR. 

I get that those are great watches with good in-house movements, great bracelets and some decent brand equity, but I'm still wondering how this stacks up compared to something like:

  • NOMOS Club Sport (about 2600 EUR on a bracelet, in-house movement, only 8 mm thick)
  • Longines Spirit (about 2000-2200 EUR, COSC certified ETA movement, modified by Longines)
  • Sinn 556 (about 1400 EUR on a bracelet, but with SW-200)
  • CW Sealander or Trident Pro 300 (about 1000-1200 on a bracelet, SW-200-1, seems their bracelets are really nice for the price and even have on-the-fly adjustment)

I like all of the above watches for various reasons. If I were super practical I guess I'd go with the Longines as the best overall package. On the other hand I like the slim profile of the NOMOS and its modern looks, the austere looks of the Sinn and the value of the CWs. But I'm also wondering are Tudor's actually better in some meaningful way or is it all about the perceived value of the brand.

I'm also wondering when people say that the BB58 is a good value what do they mean exactly by this? A good value compared to what? A Submariner? Something else? 

I guess you all know that buying the right watch is hard, especially if you don't want to buy a ton of watches, but I'm really wondering if it's worth to pay 4-5K for a Tudor when for 6K I can get some decent Omega (e.g. Aqua Terra). I'm not really looking to have a flashy piece to show off (most of the people in my social circle wouldn't even recognize a Rolex Explorer from half a meter anyways)  - I'm looking for something that's relatively universal, sturdy (so I don't have to baby it and worry about it) and would serve me well for years to come. 
 

For context - in my small watch collection I have the following:

  • Casio Casioak (the beater)
  • Tissot PRX (the sports watch)
  • NOMOS Tangente (technically I'm still waiting for it, as each order takes several months to fulfill) (the dress watch)

So, I'm looking forward to hear your thoughts about the value of BB58 (and the other Tudor options), especially in the context of the alternatives that I've mentioned. Thanks in advance!

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I bought the BB58 in April of last year. 
At that time the retail was 3550. 

I like it a lot as I can dress it up and down. I do not Baby it and it has some scratches on the bracelet but that’s fine. Looks damn good on a brown leather strap aswell. Not to flashy but still very nice. 

For me it was a def. pick up because it fits my style. I wear it a lot. Even after the honeymoon period ended because it just works with so many outfits. 
I didnt worry with the price increase at the time (3400ish in 2021) when I first looked at it at my AD. 
For me it’s worth the money. It runs perfect and it will outlast me for sure. 
nothing bad to say from my perspective. of course everyone is different. 
If you have the money go for it. Can always sell it if you don’t like it anymore. Obviously with a little loss. Demand is not that high anymore for these. 

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The BB58 is a great watch but it is a very competitive segment in which it is competing. Since it's original release, that competition has only grown. Given how popular the BB58 is and how long it's been around, for me, the BB58 is a bit stale. (In general, I think the vintage-inspired/re-issue fad is a bit long in the tooth). 

All of the watches you mention are excellent and there isn't one that is objectively "better" - it just comes down to what you value. There is no perfect watch. 

  • The Longines has lugs that are too long and make the watch look unbalanced. 
  • You already have a Nomos coming and variety is the spice of life. 
  • The Sinn has a sub-par bracelet and stubby hour hand. 
  • The CWs are fantastic watches but going for the best "value" is usually not a great reason to buy a luxury watch if you don't love the design. 

Last week I tried on a few Tudors and a Few Breitlings and I came away thinking the Tudor was a bit plain in comparison. As such, I would check out some Breitlings in person. I also agree with you that given you aren't that far off from an AT, it may be worthwhile to save up a bit more. 

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If I try a watch on and don't instantly bond with it it's not a keeper,I really wanted to like the Rolex GMT lefty when it came out,but after trying it on I wasn't taken with it ,I'd try on many different brands and especially the omega just to rule it in or out 

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The BB58 is a great watch but it is a very competitive segment in which it is competing. Since it's original release, that competition has only grown. Given how popular the BB58 is and how long it's been around, for me, the BB58 is a bit stale. (In general, I think the vintage-inspired/re-issue fad is a bit long in the tooth). 

All of the watches you mention are excellent and there isn't one that is objectively "better" - it just comes down to what you value. There is no perfect watch. 

  • The Longines has lugs that are too long and make the watch look unbalanced. 
  • You already have a Nomos coming and variety is the spice of life. 
  • The Sinn has a sub-par bracelet and stubby hour hand. 
  • The CWs are fantastic watches but going for the best "value" is usually not a great reason to buy a luxury watch if you don't love the design. 

Last week I tried on a few Tudors and a Few Breitlings and I came away thinking the Tudor was a bit plain in comparison. As such, I would check out some Breitlings in person. I also agree with you that given you aren't that far off from an AT, it may be worthwhile to save up a bit more. 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply! Much appreciated!

  • The CWs are fantastic watches but going for the best "value" is usually not a great reason to buy a luxury watch if you don't love the design. 

I threw them here mostly as some point of comparison - I am wondering how much of the price of the BB58 is coming from superior quality and how much is the "brand tax". Obviously, I'm willing to pay some brand tax if I'm after a nice watch, but I'd prefer to end up buying something where more of the higher price is coming from superior quality and less due to the brand. 

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Which one is that exactly? I'm pretty bad with Seiko watches. :D

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I bought the BB58 in April of last year. 
At that time the retail was 3550. 

I like it a lot as I can dress it up and down. I do not Baby it and it has some scratches on the bracelet but that’s fine. Looks damn good on a brown leather strap aswell. Not to flashy but still very nice. 

For me it was a def. pick up because it fits my style. I wear it a lot. Even after the honeymoon period ended because it just works with so many outfits. 
I didnt worry with the price increase at the time (3400ish in 2021) when I first looked at it at my AD. 
For me it’s worth the money. It runs perfect and it will outlast me for sure. 
nothing bad to say from my perspective. of course everyone is different. 
If you have the money go for it. Can always sell it if you don’t like it anymore. Obviously with a little loss. Demand is not that high anymore for these. 

Thanks for the reply!

nothing bad to say from my perspective. of course everyone is different. 
If you have the money go for it. Can always sell it if you don’t like it anymore. Obviously with a little loss. Demand is not that high anymore for these. 

For me it's not so much about the price, as it's about the value. A personal flaw of mine I guess - when I'm buying something I always analyze a lot how the price was formed and whether I'm paying more for quality or for perception. As I'm quite new to watches it's still pretty hard for me to judge watches objectively. 

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neomatik

Which one is that exactly? I'm pretty bad with Seiko watches. :D

Try on any of the SPB range , this one is the PVD version of the original MAS062  case and dial layout. Seiko doesn’t need to copy other brands and the 6R35 & 8R movements are excellent. Just try one on and see . 1/3  or more less the price of Tudor for starters … Try lots of watches on . This one is similar in wear to both a Tudor  BB & the Aquaterra for comfort and size .

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It seems like everyday here that I want to tag @Pete_NSOW  and ask him to support that claim he made about how the BB58 is by far the most resold watch (at least within the first year or so). 

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I think “value” is about perspective. If you’re comparing a Tudor to a Rolex, it’s a pretty amazing value. If you’re comparing it to CW, not as much. 
 

Personally, I see Tudor as a great value overall. I think they’re making watches comparable to Omega and Rolex for significantly less money. 
 

I would get the Tudor over a Longines or CW, not because I think those watches are bad or a poor value. As many people have said over the years, Tudor is doing what Rolex used to do, and I love that. They make lux tool watches. Watches that are expensive, but not too expensive to take on an adventure. Rolexes are so hard to get that most people treat them like the family jewels. And Omegas, while offering a lot of watch, Are really getting up there in price as well. 

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In defense of the Longines Spirit, go with the 37mm version and it fits great, lugs not an issue.

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The original BB58 was a homage of the vintage Tudor and Rolex Submariner. The color works for me. But the blue BB58 has neutral colors which will last you many years.

You wouldnt be able to get a better swiss dive watch within that price range. The Tudor Ranger uses the same movement but isn't built like the BB58. Think of datejust and submariners.

I would always pick the Tudor.

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Wow ! Beautiful! 

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for me bb58 is a good value indeed, its easy to dress up or down. all of the other option is good as well, but i think tudor brand is stronger than longines, nomos, etc probably because tudor is the sister brand of rolex. but you should go with your own choice

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If possible try each of them in a store and follow ur heart. i didnt like dive watches in general bc they all look like a subs which looks like the blanc pain fifty. However trying the bb blue 58 (i also like the bb 36 in blue) with a bracelet changes my mind. i think its down to personal preference so none of us can say why tudor is better for you than a cw. I love cw for the quality and price and would buy it if i feel the same when i try one in person. Their design keeps evolves do a cw trident 39/40 gmt with a red bezel would be nice. Maybe i just dont like black bezel diver haha

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If you want a luxury watch, I suspect the BB58 is the right choice. 

If you want a reliable GADA that can be dressed up or down you'd be hard pressed to beat a CW C63 Sealander or the new C65 Dune, but a CW is not a luxury watch. 

CW has released a new "field" GADA watch based on the C65 dial layout called the Dune. It's got a BB36 vibe, but also has a date window, because CW aren't soulless monsters like Tudor.  

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I picked up the BB58 during 2021 Christmas for $3400. At that time, it was a good value considering there was not much competition and I really liked what the BB58 offered for the price. But I had a few QC issues with the watch, got it fixed and sold it off after a month because I didn't connect with the watch. It's a versatile watch but realised I wanted something a little more of a tool watch aesthetics, like the new Pelagos 39. 

Currently, the BB58 is retailing at $4200 and the $800 bump in the price in a year is quite a lot considering the other Tudor models, the BB58 didn't receive any updates like the T-fit new bracelet. And for around the difference in that price, you can pick up a higher-end dive watch from Seiko, Mido or even Doxa.

To me Nomos and Longines are great value. Longines is doing well with its new releases, especially the Spirit lineup. The Spirit and Zulu time if you are going for a GMT, offer incredible value and quality for $3k and you can get some good deals and buy the watch without waiting. You can pick up a 37mm Spirit for under $2k new.  If you have Nomos on the way, I would suggest looking into a different brand for a change. Sinn has its own perks, and they do most of things right. 

I'm currently having a hard time choosing watches with the SW-200 movement. Its a workhorse and a great movement, but it really needs an upgrade especially in the watches around 1000 when many are offering 70-80 hour power reserve (I don't mind the beat rate). The new Farer watches with the 68 hour LPJ movements, that was a nice upgrade from their side. 

Try on different watches, and see what you like. You may connect with one when you try. I went for the BB58 because I like the vintage looks but was too dressy for a tool watch for me personally. I picked up a Seiko SPB239 last year after I sold my BB58, and for $900 it ticked my boxes. 

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That said, I wanted to pick up a BB58 again in the future but with many options out there these days, I would save up a little more and go for something in Omega or Breitling with their newer movements. The newer Tudor BB36/41 is coming this year with the in house movement so that maybe a nice value if they price it similarly to the Ranger.

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neomatik

Which one is that exactly? I'm pretty bad with Seiko watches. :D

Seiko SPB253

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nightfury95

I picked up the BB58 during 2021 Christmas for $3400. At that time, it was a good value considering there was not much competition and I really liked what the BB58 offered for the price. But I had a few QC issues with the watch, got it fixed and sold it off after a month because I didn't connect with the watch. It's a versatile watch but realised I wanted something a little more of a tool watch aesthetics, like the new Pelagos 39. 

Currently, the BB58 is retailing at $4200 and the $800 bump in the price in a year is quite a lot considering the other Tudor models, the BB58 didn't receive any updates like the T-fit new bracelet. And for around the difference in that price, you can pick up a higher-end dive watch from Seiko, Mido or even Doxa.

To me Nomos and Longines are great value. Longines is doing well with its new releases, especially the Spirit lineup. The Spirit and Zulu time if you are going for a GMT, offer incredible value and quality for $3k and you can get some good deals and buy the watch without waiting. You can pick up a 37mm Spirit for under $2k new.  If you have Nomos on the way, I would suggest looking into a different brand for a change. Sinn has its own perks, and they do most of things right. 

I'm currently having a hard time choosing watches with the SW-200 movement. Its a workhorse and a great movement, but it really needs an upgrade especially in the watches around 1000 when many are offering 70-80 hour power reserve (I don't mind the beat rate). The new Farer watches with the 68 hour LPJ movements, that was a nice upgrade from their side. 

Try on different watches, and see what you like. You may connect with one when you try. I went for the BB58 because I like the vintage looks but was too dressy for a tool watch for me personally. I picked up a Seiko SPB239 last year after I sold my BB58, and for $900 it ticked my boxes. 

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That said, I wanted to pick up a BB58 again in the future but with many options out there these days, I would save up a little more and go for something in Omega or Breitling with their newer movements. The newer Tudor BB36/41 is coming this year with the in house movement so that maybe a nice value if they price it similarly to the Ranger.

Thanks for the detailed response!

Try on different watches, and see what you like. You may connect with one when you try. I went for the BB58 because I like the vintage looks but was too dressy for a tool watch for me personally. I picked up a Seiko SPB239 last year after I sold my BB58, and for $900 it ticked my boxes. 

Yeah, that's how I'm approaching it - trying different options and trying to find a deep connection with me. The problem is that the more watches I consider, the more new ideas appear. :D I keep hearing good things about Seiko, so I'll have to try more of their watches - so far I only tried a couple of Presage and Prospex models. 

That said, I wanted to pick up a BB58 again in the future but with many options out there these days, I would save up a little more and go for something in Omega or Breitling with their newer movements. The newer Tudor BB36/41 is coming this year with the in house movement so that maybe a nice value if they price it similarly to the Ranger.

Hmm, I didn't know there would be an update of the BB36/41 - that might be interesting. I have to admit that I got interested in Tudor partly because of the fancy in-house caliber, and the connection with Rolex, of course. I don't much about Breitling, so I'll have to take a closer look there - more ideas incoming! :D 

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neomatik

Thanks for the detailed response!

Try on different watches, and see what you like. You may connect with one when you try. I went for the BB58 because I like the vintage looks but was too dressy for a tool watch for me personally. I picked up a Seiko SPB239 last year after I sold my BB58, and for $900 it ticked my boxes. 

Yeah, that's how I'm approaching it - trying different options and trying to find a deep connection with me. The problem is that the more watches I consider, the more new ideas appear. :D I keep hearing good things about Seiko, so I'll have to try more of their watches - so far I only tried a couple of Presage and Prospex models. 

That said, I wanted to pick up a BB58 again in the future but with many options out there these days, I would save up a little more and go for something in Omega or Breitling with their newer movements. The newer Tudor BB36/41 is coming this year with the in house movement so that maybe a nice value if they price it similarly to the Ranger.

Hmm, I didn't know there would be an update of the BB36/41 - that might be interesting. I have to admit that I got interested in Tudor partly because of the fancy in-house caliber, and the connection with Rolex, of course. I don't much about Breitling, so I'll have to take a closer look there - more ideas incoming! :D 

Yeah, that's how I'm approaching it - trying different options and trying to find a deep connection with me. The problem is that the more watches I consider, the more new ideas appear. 

Well keep the ideas, you can slowly sort them out based on your needs and how big you want your collection to be. 

I keep hearing good things about Seiko, so I'll have to try more of their watches - so far I only tried a couple of Presage and Prospex models. 

Well, Seiko is a big name in the watch world. Seiko makes watches from $200 all the way up to $5000 spring drive models. Then further you move on to Grand Seiko. Their lineup is vast but usually, there is something for everyone in every price range. Their Prospex field and dive watches are great tool watches for the price and the Presage line has a lot of great dress watches. Value for money watches with a proper history.

Hmm, I didn't know there would be an update of the BB36/41 - that might be interesting. I have to admit that I got interested in Tudor partly because of the fancy in-house caliber, and the connection with Rolex, of course. I don't much about Breitling, so I'll have to take a closer look there - more ideas incoming! :D 

Well, it is sort of in-house since Tudor shares the ownership of the company Kennisi with Breitling and Chanel, which initially was established to make movements for Tudor. The movement present in the BB58 was developed by Tudor and is shared with other companies. And Breitling's B01 chronograph movement is present in the Tudor BB Chrono. It's a nice partnership, just more premium COSC movements. Tudor is ditching the SW-200 based movements for the MT5 movements so there is an update coming to the BB36/41 lineup.

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Yes, I think so. when it approaches £5k, debatable.

I bought my BB58 in September for £3010 last year immediately after Truss and Kwateng crashed the UK economy. £ went down to almost parity with the USD in the middle of high inflation and cost of living crisis. There was no time to lose. Soon after, the price rose to £3370.