I know there's loads of complaints about misaligned screws on bezels. There's even a video from Swiss Watch Gang about it https://youtu.be/Nbe2dCnMC14
I also know that some enthusiasts not only like screw in crowns but even signed crowns are a feature (somehow ๐๐).
I also recall hearing (I believe on watchfinder) that it can cause annoyance if the logo on a screw in crown doesn't align in the screwed in position. Fair enough I suppose ๐
Of course this is just one of the reasons why unsigned crowns are secretly superior. That said, there are seemingly FAR fewer complaints than with bezels even though it is just as "impossible"... So this has me wondering, do you line up the logo on signed push in crowns?
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I did it last week when I realized that there was fine print on the crown on my vintage Bulova. I don't think any other watches of mine apply. Signed crowns are indeed stupid for the most part, although if it's discreet enough that I forget they exist, that's fine. Then I won't mind them being skew.
I believe Rolex is perfectly capable of making the signed crowns aligned perfectly but they don't love their customers enough to make it happen.
Coincidentally I lined mine up on the Geckota just an hour ago, for first time this week. Difficult to get a photo as it's so reflective:
Isn't that a bit daft? Surely it should be screwed in fully to prevent moisture ingress?!! ๐คฏ
Seeing as I rarely stare at my crown, I notice, if it lines up or lines up back in the same orientation, in a kinda "hmm, that's neat..."then promptly forget to care.
It's just like misaligned bezels. If it's off by the slightest, people FREAK out. I use my bezel to track breaching charges, and planned detonations, if it's off a hair it doesn't matter since once it's even close to go time, I shouldn't be ANYWHERE near the event ๐ , YMMV. Same goes for not "hitting" all the indicators.
If it's off by a much higher margin, I agree that's an issue.
If you spent an exorbitant amount on the watch, you have a right to be pissed, but $#!t happens, and nothing is perfect, stop bitching and exchange the dang thing...๐ซฃ๐ค
Isn't that a bit daft? Surely it should be screwed in fully to prevent moisture ingress?!! ๐คฏ
I am just talking about push in crowns, sorry for the confusion. As far as screw in crowns I was wondering about why nobody complains like with bezels but course you are right and those should be screwed in fully always!
However, if misaligned screws on bezels are such a bother then they should be on the crownand thus I wonder if, in situations where it can be user adjusted, the misalignment is rectified by the (complaining/bothered) user. If that makes sense.
For a screw down crown with water resistance, you risk either over tightening or having water get in. It isn't worth the look to damage your watch. If it's not a screw down crown, you do you.
I am just talking about push in crowns, sorry for the confusion. As far as screw in crowns I was wondering about why nobody complains like with bezels but course you are right and those should be screwed in fully always!
However, if misaligned screws on bezels are such a bother then they should be on the crownand thus I wonder if, in situations where it can be user adjusted, the misalignment is rectified by the (complaining/bothered) user. If that makes sense.
Ah, that makes sense now ๐คฃ
I was being a bit thick ๐ - sorry!
Yes, I line 'em up on my push in crowns!
I did it last week when I realized that there was fine print on the crown on my vintage Bulova. I don't think any other watches of mine apply. Signed crowns are indeed stupid for the most part, although if it's discreet enough that I forget they exist, that's fine. Then I won't mind them being skew.
I believe Rolex is perfectly capable of making the signed crowns aligned perfectly but they don't love their customers enough to make it happen.
I agree, Rolex could probably tweak the screw system a bit so it lines up nicely. It is done for casebacks by Omega with Naiad lock and JLC has this master compressor thing which locks always the same. With conventional screws amd no "locking", even if the threads are cut perfectly the amount of torque applied and wear/squeezing on the seal is a variable out of their hands and that would cause some, albeit minor, misalignment. Almost perfect isn't really "the Rolex way" (the watches are far from perfect of course). Removing the logo just seems so much easier.
For a screw down crown with water resistance, you risk either over tightening or having water get in. It isn't worth the look to damage your watch. If it's not a screw down crown, you do you.
Yeah I was referring to push in only, how I wrote it seems to be confusing people a little ๐ฌ. See my reply to Inkitatus.
I screw the crown in all the way to seal the case. Thatโs all that matters.
Those of us without OCD:
I would always do it on one of my Camys until the ratchet decided to not be a ratchet anymore due to old oil. Old girl needs a service sometime.
The beauty of most Seiko crowns, nothing to misalign as they are unsigned!
Never thought about lining up my crown until you posted it ๐
I couldn't even say which of my watches have signed crowns without looking. This seems about as pointless as lining up the logo on a light bulb with the fixture.
I couldn't even say which of my watches have signed crowns without looking. This seems about as pointless as lining up the logo on a light bulb with the fixture.
Aside from aesthetics it is pointless of course but so signing the crown in the first place or aligning virtually anything and watch enthusiasts often seem bothered simply by the knowledge that "it's there" even if it can't be noticed unless one looks specifically for it.
Slightly misaligned bezels or chapter rings are hardly less functional and certainly that's true for bezels screws. I don't mind either very much but how is the crown different ๐ what am I missing.
Not bothered by the logo not lining up properly. Interested in the crown being secured. I do expect the bezel to line up. When I'm looking g to research/purchase a watch the signed crown is a bonus more than anything.
The only watches that Iโve ever come across getting it right is IWC Iโve owned 2 and the screw down crown lines up perfectly, and as tight as a frogs butt.๐
Nope, not bothered a bit by a signed crown not aligning properly, just like I don't care about the alignment of the case back if it's engraved.
Misaligned bezels are an issue for me but it's more because we human are very good at estimating angles and ratio and therefore it's more noticeable to us than other imperfections.
One word NERD !!!
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Itโs funny because my immediate reaction to this was to wonder why anyoulne would careโฆ then I remembered how excited I was that the cap on a pen of mine always lines up perfectly with the design on the barrel and who am I to judge what people geek out over.
I donโt understand the obsession some have about logos on crowns. I just donโt see it as an โmust haveโ or even a desirable feature. If I otherwise like the watch, the presence or absence of a logo on the crown doesnโt influence my opinion either way. I just donโt care. And it follows that I also donโt care about the orientation of the logo.
I'm not looking at my crown's logo side basically ever. So doesn't matter.
shouldn't they line up correctly through manufacturing process?
I like a decoration on the crown. It adds some detail and design.
I would also like my coronet logo to point upwards, but it doesn't. ๐ข
The Skydweller has a special design to make sure it's always in the 'correct' place!
Iโm OCD enough that if a non screw down was signed, Iโd probably line it up, why not! ๐
But, my only non screw down is my unsigned Kurono, so it never occurred to me. Unlike your non screw downs, mine fears water ๐ฆ
I used to have 2 non screw downs, but the other one leaked ocean water and met its salty doom โ ๐
I donโt normally look at my screw crowns to check for alignment, but since Iโve got one on, letโs check!
Close, but no cigar. Upside: still love this watch just as much, and it fears no excessive sweat, shower or ocean exposure ๐
I like a decoration on the crown. It adds some detail and design.
I would also like my coronet logo to point upwards, but it doesn't. ๐ข
The Skydweller has a special design to make sure it's always in the 'correct' place!
I didn't know. I like that watch even more now. Design wise it isn't for me but technologically it's quite neat and that's just a nice touch on top ๐
shouldn't they line up correctly through manufacturing process?
Screws, yes, in their but with push in crowns there is no unique position. As you wind and set the watch, the crown can be left in any position so the question is, do you make sure that after winding the crown is not left in a crooked position but rotating it in the pushed in position (backwards if manual wind so to not over wind) until it lines up.
Don't worry if you think thinking about that is crazy ๐ it probably is
Iโm OCD enough that if a non screw down was signed, Iโd probably line it up, why not! ๐
But, my only non screw down is my unsigned Kurono, so it never occurred to me. Unlike your non screw downs, mine fears water ๐ฆ
I used to have 2 non screw downs, but the other one leaked ocean water and met its salty doom โ ๐
I donโt normally look at my screw crowns to check for alignment, but since Iโve got one on, letโs check!
Close, but no cigar. Upside: still love this watch just as much, and it fears no excessive sweat, shower or ocean exposure ๐
Based on you posts you seem to be quite a bit more active in the waters than most people who consider themselves active and on top wear you actual nice watches much of the time. I think that's fantastic.
And while I personally think screw in crowns are mostly gimmicky, i.e. for most people in most situations, if you prefer a screw in crown I'd say that's fair enough as the ratio of [crown fiddling : aquatic usage] is in fact quite low ๐ป
The only attention I really give to my crown is masking sure I screw it back in AND making sure not to do so to tightly or with to much force. Other then that I never am looking at the corwn even if it signed. I do how ever enjoy winding my watches so thatโs some crown action I guess I appreciate.