Which watch should I make my buddy buy for me? AKA, the story of my risk-taking friend and how he has to buy a watch for me by losing a bet

TLDR; good friend is going to lose a bet to me, so which watch should I make him buy for me?

  1. Vacheron Constantin Fiftysix Complete Calendar

  2. Rolex Daytona Two-Tone Black

  3. Gold and Green Moonwatch

  4. 5 different Grand Seikos

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So, this should be a story about a bet that I got into with a good friend, and how I'm going to win the bet, and therefore why I need help choosing a watch.  But, those details aren't interesting.  What's more interesting is my buddy's life story, his psychological profile, and how THAT has resulted in me on the verge of winning a bet, in which he'll have to buy me a watch.

This very good friend of mine is highly risk-taking.  He will do things in his professional life that I and all our colleagues consider reckless.  Like, he'll actually speak his mind in meetings, regardless which executives he'll piss off!  

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For a keyboard warrior like me, that is unthinkably courageous!  But, him, you see, he was an actual warrior - not of the keyboard variety.   Dude served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, as a frontline infantry soldier, so when you're dealing with life and death situations on the daily, maybe all the politics and intrigues of being a paper pusher in corporate America really don't seem like all that much "risk" to ya.  I mean, this dude was the son of a highly decorated general, and then went into the Army as an enlisted infantryman!  

Years ago, when our CEO was interviewing him for a position as Chief of Staff, CEO asked him, "Why'd you do that?"  Friend's answer was, "Well, everybody knew who my daddy was, and I figured they'd treat me with kid gloves.  I didn't want to deal with that noise.  So, I enlisted instead of doing Officer Candidate School."

He did a couple of tours, and always volunteered for the most arduous assignments.  On one occasion, Delta came out to their remote base, and as they often do, asked for volunteers to support them on an operation.  This woulda been me...

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Friend obviously jumped at the opportunity.  They ended up in a fire fight, and the enemy was flanking them to take position on some higher ground.  Friend ended up charging some hill, took out a couple of enemy fighters, secured the position, and saved the day.  So, the Delta squad leader invited him to selection for Delta.  He went home on his next leave, told his wife that he was gonna go through Delta selection, and she said, "Wow, that sounds great honey."  She then Googled it, and the results directed her to Black Hawk Down...

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... and when she realized what it really meant to join Delta, proceeded to throw a dish at his head.

So, he figured that if he weren't allowed to join the best-of-the-best in the military, he had to go find something else to do, in another field, where he could be the best-of-the-best.  He figured he would go be a lawyer.  

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I know, right?  But, come on, he didn't know the first thing about anything outside the military, so let's not judge him too harshly.  

He went to the bookstore, and picked up a couple of Kaplan and Princeton Review books, to study for the LSATs.  Our CEO, who was a former Army Ranger, then said, "Wait...  so, you're in fire fights by day, and then by night you're sitting in your fox hole, studying for the LSATs with a flashlight?"  Friend's response was, "Yes, sir."  CEO says, "And you did well enough on the LSATs to get into Stanford Law?"  Friend says, "Yes, sir."  CEO says, "We're done with the interview."

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Now, the only downside to being a former infantryman who went to law school and then goes into tech is that he didn't know the first thing about tech.  Our CEO would email him some massive Excel financial model at 6:30pm, with 50 tabs and 400 lines in each tab, and then the CEO would poke his head out the boardroom door to say, "Yo, can you get me an answer by tomorrow morning?”  

Dude would look like a deer caught in headlights…  CEO was a bit of a prankster, like that.

That's where I came in.  I would see him working valiantly to figure things out, but a lot of the time, a little bit of experience goes a long way.  So, even though I coulda gone home to dinner, instead I'd say, "Yo, man, let me see what he just sent over to you."  And then, I'd tell him, "Oh, CEO wants you to figure out a new pricing structure for our software.  See, we sell perpetual licenses, and he wants to create an option to sell annual subscriptions.  Man, all you gotta do is create an NPV for each, and just make the NPV's equal, and...”

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There would always be all the follow up questions, like, "Yeah, but what discount rate do we use?"  Or "But, NPV models have terminal values, so how do I model that?"  And the answers are always just sort of hand-wavey:  "Ah, man, just assume a 10% discount rate.  Why?  ‘Cause 15% feels too high and 5% feels too low."  Or "Dude, we don't need a terminal value.  Let's just assume 5 years.  Cause, none of us will be here 5 years from now."  You know, this sort of thing...

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The morning would come, dude would have the model ready for the CEO, and the CEO would be beyond impressed.  CEO would say to me, "How does he do it?  I thought for sure there was no way he'd be able to come up with this!  I mean, he's a lawyer!"  And I would say, "I don't know man!”  CEO thought he walked on water!

It's been many years since that job, and in the intervening years, he's made a lot of money and done really well.  So, we were 3 smoked bourbon bijous into the night, one evening, and he decided to make a bet with me.  And, being the risk-seeking sort, he said that if he wins, he gets my Hyundai Tucson - I was complaining about how much I hated it, and he offered to take it off my hands as a service.  Meanwhile, if I win, he buys me any watch I want.

I think I'm going to win the bet.  In fact, when he proposed the bet, I knew I was going to win.  He's risk-seeking.  I'm not.  The exact details of the bet aren't important.  All that's important is that I'm going to win.  Why?  Because I'm a coward, and I would only ever enter into that kind of bet if I knew there was no way I was gonna lose!

I think the lesson here is that it's good to be cowardly when it comes to bets over expensive watches and such!

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So, friends, which watch do I have him buy for me?  

There's the Vacheron Fiftysix Complete Calendar, which is an absolutely gorgeous amalgamation of traditional complication / sporty modern watch...

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Honestly, of the “Holy Trinity” the VC Fiftysix line is the only line that appeals to me.  For me, everything else Patek, AP, and VC produce are just…

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I could make him get me the two-tone Daytona, if only because non-watch people would know what this is, know that it’s expensive, and then I could tell them that I won it in a bet with my buddy, to really rub salt in the wound!  And, also, so I can be twinsies with @Edge168n...

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The green dial gold Moonwatch?  Because, you know, Ryan Reynolds rocked it, so why can’t I?  Amazingly, these are going for nearly 30% off MSRP new on Chrono24!

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Or, for roughly the same price as the gold Moonwatch, I could get the following five (FIVE!!!) GS!

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Or…  maybe I just make him give me the cash equivalent, and put that cash toward this…

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Now, that’s some crazy, outside the box thinking, ain’t it?

Which is it to be???

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My head says 56 complete calendar.

My heart says Daytona.

My actual head says take the $40K and buy some T-bills and use it to buy a steady steam of Seikos forever.

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Add a double or nothing clause so he has to buy you all of them lol. If not, which brand is your favorite, go by that.

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Edge168n

My head says 56 complete calendar.

My heart says Daytona.

My actual head says take the $40K and buy some T-bills and use it to buy a steady steam of Seikos forever.

Too funny. With regard your point about "my actual head," the question is at what point is our internal discount rate too low? I mean, yeah, I could stick the money in the S&P 500, and it'll double every 10 years in real terms, but at some point, we're all dead, right?

Okay, I could pass all that cash on down to my kids... but those 2 brats are the end of the family line on both sides! They're gonna be inheriting EVERYTHING from like 10 different relatives! They'll never have to work a day in their lives!

Maybe I need to get into cocaine?

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Lacquerite

Add a double or nothing clause so he has to buy you all of them lol. If not, which brand is your favorite, go by that.

Ah, man, I can't gamble! No double or nothing clause!

My favorite brand is GS. So, I guess I'll just end up with even more GS, and continue on in my journey of weeaboo self-discovery...

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Too funny. With regard your point about "my actual head," the question is at what point is our internal discount rate too low? I mean, yeah, I could stick the money in the S&P 500, and it'll double every 10 years in real terms, but at some point, we're all dead, right?

Okay, I could pass all that cash on down to my kids... but those 2 brats are the end of the family line on both sides! They're gonna be inheriting EVERYTHING from like 10 different relatives! They'll never have to work a day in their lives!

Maybe I need to get into cocaine?

Get me 3x smoked bourbon bijous in and ask me then!

But TLDR, we're already into luxury watches so clearly our discount rates aren't THAT low.

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Brother I love reading your stories LMFAO 🤣😂😆

If it's a watch it's between these two HANDS DOWN!

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IF, it's a ride ... That Zim Zimmer Get Into My Beamer 100% 😎

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Corum Golden Bridge

You’ve deserved it!

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Jamair23

Brother I love reading your stories LMFAO 🤣😂😆

If it's a watch it's between these two HANDS DOWN!

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IF, it's a ride ... That Zim Zimmer Get Into My Beamer 100% 😎

Yeah, I keep thinking that OBVIOUSLY I should go with the 5 GS’es, because 5!!! But that Moonshine Gold Moonwatch is just so gorgeous!

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I’ll take the M2… and Holy fudge!! I read that whole story 🤯

HA!! Dojo closed today ?! 😁

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Porthole

Corum Golden Bridge

You’ve deserved it!

Whoa. I didn’t even know these existed!

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Maybe since I’m Chinese, this is more appropriate?

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Crazy that somehow in my mind, the only thing they make is the Bubble!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Ah, man, I can't gamble! No double or nothing clause!

My favorite brand is GS. So, I guess I'll just end up with even more GS, and continue on in my journey of weeaboo self-discovery...

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Why not go for a GS masterpiece like the White Birch with the engraved case then?

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Ichibunz

I’ll take the M2… and Holy fudge!! I read that whole story 🤯

HA!! Dojo closed today ?! 😁

The M2 is apparently AMAZING! Every review I watch goes on and on about how fantastic the car is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUy28tg_MXE

The reason I would get it is because right now, any time I want to take the family anywhere, I have to drive the Tucson, which I hate to the core of my very being. The M2 would fit all 4 of us!

But, you know, I already have a Cayman. So, WTF am I thinking?

And, yes, I pulled something in my leg, so I can't go to the dojo for a bit! Ha!

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Lacquerite

Why not go for a GS masterpiece like the White Birch with the engraved case then?

Oh, no, no... You must have me confused with someone with real money, like @JaeBust or @ChronoGuy or @JourneID!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Whoa. I didn’t even know these existed!

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Maybe since I’m Chinese, this is more appropriate?

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Crazy that somehow in my mind, the only thing they make is the Bubble!

Nope - Corum make some of the best watches imho, and that is a very rare opinion. I love Corum.

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Vacheron! I'm in love with mine, it's unique, downlow, but extraordinary ✨️

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The Vacheron

Get the two-tone Daytona, flip it fo 20% of retail, then consider again with 1 less candidate and a bit more cash to play with

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous!!! Something about that deep green dial and the pale gold is just mesmerizing!

You know what's funny? At one point, Max did throw out a "yo, you should come up to Seattle and do an Anachronist podcast." Problem is that an ex-girlfriend from my college days lives up there. And if I did fly all the way up to Seattle, I would want to go see her. And, well, my wife would not be okay with that. And, given the fact that I want to see this ex, that tells me that I absolutely cannot go see this ex.

Which means I can't fly up and do a podcast!

Ha!

Is that the one that was impressed with your Daniel Wellington?

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Otis_Towns

Is that the one that was impressed with your Daniel Wellington?

OMG! No, different gal. And it wasn’t a Daniel Wellington, it was a Kenneth Cole Reaction watch! Ha!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

I love it!

Okay, I did switch from an F87 M2 to a Cayman T! But, since the Cayman is only a 2 seater, if I have to drive the family anywhere, I have to suffer the Hyundai Tucson! And, yes, inb4...

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This PP is beautiful...

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... but 3x the price of the other options! Again... I am not @ChronoGuy!

Fair enough. I’m. Or sure I see a poor outcome here! Lucky for you.

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Get a rolex, or "brolex" from your bro.

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Vc or speedy for me

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That speedy is stunning

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Definitely the VC. OMG!! YES!!

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Ok, I'm still trying to figure out how to create an NVP... I feel like there was a time long ago when an interesting and unique guy named Brian loved him some Omega (but owned a smattering of other stuff he eventually auctioned for charity & I miss those days) THEN Brian fell in love with Grand Seiko and there was nothing else that could catch his eye. Fine, this is super smart, efficient; what the very wise would chose. The influence of this man formally named Brian has me on my 3rd GS. Sadly I sold the Snowflake. Happily gifted my GS diver to a dear friend and gladly own a Grand Seiko SBGE255 GMT because it's AWESOME! Five more GS pieces seems probable based on Brian's recent past. The VC just seems too good to pass up! The Rolex would just be sold on Chrono 24 after a while (gift or not) and I forgot any other watch option by now typing too long with my thumbs. If you're gonna' take the cash for a car why not go weird but cool with a new Z06!?!?!

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The trick with betting is that it should always be when one has money and the other knows something the first one doesn't - and you'd better be the one who knows and not the one with the money.

Anyway I think you should go for option 4, the one with the 5 different GS because....well just think how much fun you will have dragging him for hours until you finish making your selection.

it's just like when GF tells me that she just need to drop into this shop for 5 minutes because she placed an order for a pair of shoes and will just pick them up, and then 3 hours later I have to tell her that its either we go like right now or I leave her and exchange her for a newer and better model.

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OmegaNut wound vote for the Moonshine Gold and so do I. But 5 GS seems more your lane.

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valleykilmers

OmegaNut wound vote for the Moonshine Gold and so do I. But 5 GS seems more your lane.

Yeah, exactly!

But, something about that Moonshine Gold is tempting me to "backslide." Dammit!

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The bet is for one watch, ONE! So the FIVE Grand Sekios are immediately out. The answer is VC all the way if it were me and I'm an Omega guy. That's how beautiful the VC is.

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Meglos

The bet is for one watch, ONE! So the FIVE Grand Sekios are immediately out. The answer is VC all the way if it were me and I'm an Omega guy. That's how beautiful the VC is.

You know, in signaling theory, the strongest and most reliable signals come when someone goes AGAINST type. Like if, for example, the New York Times endorses Biden for President, or Fox News endorses Trump, those signals provide exactly ZERO useful new information. It’s only if NYT endorses Trump or Fox endorses Biden, that you learn anything useful out reliable.

The fact that you’re an Omega man, but endorse the VC… now that is a valuable signal!