Just… stop… and that’s about it from me

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As we hurtle at speed towards the heat death of the universe, I always look forward to seeing what nonsense invades my inbox to pass the time until either the UK government decides to kill us all through its ineptitude, or Putin will put us wounded British out of our misery instead like a nuclear veterinarian.

Chrono24 is a marketplace, that is a given, but it’s just the same thing again and again. 5 Rolex Submariner references with investment potential… ok, but what’s wrong with just wearing them because you like them? You want a Rolex… fine, you don’t need to back it up with potential resale value and economic savvy, it’s a hunk of metal that does everything a Casio Duro does and less, but my God do I want this one more. Maybe I should get a blue suit as well, really go to town.

I don’t want to decry those who view watches as an investment too much, you want to pay and play, go ahead, but content or advertorials like this really fail to capture the essence or the allure of a watch. The Submariner is a good looking watch, it’s a status piece, and that really should be it as a bare minimum. It’s also as generic as you can get, but let’s not get too carried away, you enjoy the luxury equivalent of beige walls (easy now Chris, it’s not Seiko). You should enjoy the feel of the watch of your wrist, the sound it makes when it ticks, the glint of the crystal at the certain angle in the sunlight, the taste of the buckle in your mouth (nope - too far)… Buy it Fatboy, it’ll keep its value until you want the next one they release <sigh> sure… why not, it’s only a watch.

I’m reminded of my New Years message (as I’m a self-absorbed and pompous w*nk*r like that) whereby I suggested to combat the upcoming apathetic watch apocalypse by venturing outside of the resort and experiencing things that may not be your cup of tea and broaden your horizons; perhaps that should also apply to some for the concept of just appreciating watches for what they are… watches.

For hundred of years, cleverer folks than you and I have sought to capture the passing of time into smaller and smaller trinkets, to the point where you can purchase a movement from a factory that can be as accurate to within 20 seconds a month using a battery and a quartz crystal for mere pennies, or a fully mechanical movement with multiple moving parts, that can stay accurate to within +/- 20 secs a day unregulated for around $50. You can buy an 80 year old watch with a decent Swiss ébauche that still runs and drops mere minutes every 24hrs for less than $20 if you are lucky… that should be a cause for wonder and celebration. If you seek to justify the purchase of such a watch by its ability to retain or accumulate value, you are missing the point somewhat.

And… this in a roundabout way brings me to another pertinent point that I think a number of people miss… there is no such thing as “the wrong purchase”. If you are happy with the watch that is a sign of a job well done. Oh no… I bought the wrong reference, it won’t have as much resale value as the 5 on this list, oh boo f*ck*ng hoo, it’s a Rolex Submariner, you could have done much worse.

Have you considered a Timefactors Smiths?

I suppose there was little point to this thread… I’m just being grumpy as per usual. The email pissed me off, I was @chronotriggered. 5 potential Submariners to invest in… yeah, ok, can I wear them as well or are they too precious to enjoy? I’ll unsubscribe, but at the same time, it’s cathartic to watch a car crash in slow motion. Most watch content is contrived, even on this fair platform, but at least many of you come at it from a good place (even if is just inane polls half the time - the answer will always remain (D) Seiko). It’s probably time to put the keyboard down for a while.

May your patina forever be evenly spread.

I’m going outside, and I may be some time…

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Wait, don't go. You haven't told me which watch to buy yet. I will put up a poll.

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You need a snicker bar 😂😱….

Life’s too short to care…so which Seiko should I buy?

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Ichibunz

You need a snicker bar 😂😱….

Life’s too short to care…so which Seiko should I buy?

You shouldn’t buy anything… you need to practice abstinence. I do recommend you spend some extended time with a watch you don’t wear a la 1WC, you might surprise yourself.

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I'm starting a movement, you should join. #justgooutsideandtouchgrass

Actually, I had a funny story that I wanted to relate about investment pieces. Back in 2022, I was offered a Patek Phillippe 5226G for purchase by my AD.

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This happened not because I am some big deal (I am most certainly not) but because I suspect that this watch was examined and passed over by three thousand other potential buyers and I'm fairly certain that even I, old sausage fingers, could design a better Hamilton Khaki Field homage than this one.

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But, one of the points that was made to me was that it was a strong investment piece, already worth 50% more than retail price today (about $45K if I remember correctly and supposedly worth 60-70K on the open market) and sure to appreciate over the coming years.

And I just received an email from Jomashop today with this watch emblazoned on the front.

https://www.jomashop.com/patek-philippe-calatrava-textured-charcoal-gray-dial-automatic-mens-watch-5226g-001.html

A round trip all the way back to retail price.

Never has there been a greater swindle than promising a watch has the appreciation potential in the future.

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Edge168n

I'm starting a movement, you should join. #justgooutsideandtouchgrass

Actually, I had a funny story that I wanted to relate about investment pieces. Back in 2022, I was offered a Patek Phillippe 5226G for purchase by my AD.

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This happened not because I am some big deal (I am most certainly not) but because I suspect that this watch was examined and passed over by three thousand other potential buyers and I'm fairly certain that even I, old sausage fingers, could design a better Hamilton Khaki Field homage than this one.

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But, one of the points that was made to me was that it was a strong investment piece, already worth 50% more than retail price today (about $45K if I remember correctly and supposedly worth 60-70K on the open market) and sure to appreciate over the coming years.

And I just received an email from Jomashop today with this watch emblazoned on the front.

https://www.jomashop.com/patek-philippe-calatrava-textured-charcoal-gray-dial-automatic-mens-watch-5226g-001.html

A round trip all the way back to retail price.

Never has there been a greater swindle than promising a watch has the appreciation potential in the future.

Or… it’s a Patek, people should just enjoy it for what it is… a Patek. Who cares what it’s worth now compared to retail, if it’s your watch then it should mean something to you, even if it was a purchase on a whim. Congratulations to the 5226G for its successful orbit around RRP, welcome back to Earth Commander.

I was out and about today, and I didn’t even look at anything watch-related till about an hour ago. In all fairness I was in a semi-regular meeting I chair, so I was too busy arguing about concrete and steel to give two f*cks about movements or patina, so it’s a start. This was a general visceral reaction to the email, followed by the deepest and most guttural of groans.

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Have you considered a Timefactors Smiths?

I did, and after buying one I'd rather pet a hungry crocodile in the future.

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Just say F#ck it and wear what makes you happy.

And breathe in deep, hold that breath, then release.........

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May I suggest the Rolex Submariner, and you can sell it for more down the line…

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skinflint

Just say F#ck it and wear what makes you happy.

And breathe in deep, hold that breath, then release.........

I mean you clearly don’t read half of my posts, that’s pretty much what I say all day every day. Oh well… guess the outreach program isn’t working.

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Porthole

I mean you clearly don’t read half of my posts, that’s pretty much what I say all day every day. Oh well… guess the outreach program isn’t working.

I man read, which means I scan something just enough to get the general gist but not the details.😁

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‘Rolex Submariner, it’s a nice watch init’

Will likely never be said, and left at that, on YouTube, in reviews, or in third party ads.

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JaimeMadeira

‘Rolex Submariner, it’s a nice watch init’

Will likely never be said, and left at that, on YouTube, in reviews, or in third party ads.

It probably should though… I mean what new can we bring to the table?

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Porthole

It probably should though… I mean what new can we bring to the table?

Sekonda is using:

“Looks Expensive. Isn’t.”

So maybe Rolex could do the opposite.

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Yes, "investment potential" is a funny term, normally referring to cars on blocks or houses that still have their mid-century carpet installed. Just one of those phrases that makes me wonder about the catch almost immediately.

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JaimeMadeira

Sekonda is using:

“Looks Expensive. Isn’t.”

So maybe Rolex could do the opposite.

This Rolex looks like sh*t, buy it won’t ya?

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tonmed

Future news headlines...

CNN - "Disgruntled watch enthusiast blows up the semi-civilized world over a Tiffany dial limited release"

1 week later...

Chrono 24 - "Top 10 survival watches you can trade Hoodinkee for food and water"

Hoodinkee - "...The Rolex Submariner continues to show its versatility even in these trying times. Whether you are battling disfigured cannibals or scavenging for iodide pills from a dead soldier's body, the Sub goes well with almost any biohazard suit (especially the blue ones!). Rating: 9.93/10"

CBC News - "Local Ontario man @tonmed claims to have predicted world's end after seeing a post from @Porthole declaring he sold his entire vintage collection to buy his true grail watch: a Pepsi bezel SKX..."

I don’t have grails, why pine for what you can never have. Anyway, there is something romantic about cruising through the wasteland with a 1950s Vacheron Constantin. What’s the time? Who cares, raiders 3 o’clock, and I have a package to deliver…

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Porthole

I don’t have grails, why pine for what you can never have. Anyway, there is something romantic about cruising through the wasteland with a 1950s Vacheron Constantin. What’s the time? Who cares, raiders 3 o’clock, and I have a package to deliver…

this is an actually nice detail if someone wants to film yet ANOTHER post-apoc movie.

Mechanical watch, which were a piece of luxury in that long gone world, that survived the EMP explosions and outlive all the fancy tech on a wrist of a protagonist.

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Well said, 100% agree with you. I missed the time when people just appreciate and enjoy the hobby without talking and bragging about value

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mainreasontostay

this is an actually nice detail if someone wants to film yet ANOTHER post-apoc movie.

Mechanical watch, which were a piece of luxury in that long gone world, that survived the EMP explosions and outlive all the fancy tech on a wrist of a protagonist.

I have said it before and will say it again...

  • Mechanical watches have balance wheels which will become magnetized and render the movement useless until you demagnetize it. You need electronics to demagnetize.

  • Quartz watch circuits are so small, they will not induce enough current to get fried. If it survives the blast, it will likely survive the EMP.

My rant aside, a digital quartz watch will not only outlive a human, it will need no maintenance over it's lifetime compared to a mechanical one. Get a solar one and you may have a chance of never needing a watch again. Its only weakness lies in its case which protects it. Use metal and a Nato and you're pretty safe.

Now that I may have ruined the romance....I agree a mechanical watch, even if it's broken, would look pretty cool on the wrist of a post-apocolypse vigilante. They could name it Patty for a Nautilus and the lead would talk to their watch as if they understood them better than anyone. Maybe some of us do that already?

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God bless......very well done

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tonmed

I have said it before and will say it again...

  • Mechanical watches have balance wheels which will become magnetized and render the movement useless until you demagnetize it. You need electronics to demagnetize.

  • Quartz watch circuits are so small, they will not induce enough current to get fried. If it survives the blast, it will likely survive the EMP.

My rant aside, a digital quartz watch will not only outlive a human, it will need no maintenance over it's lifetime compared to a mechanical one. Get a solar one and you may have a chance of never needing a watch again. Its only weakness lies in its case which protects it. Use metal and a Nato and you're pretty safe.

Now that I may have ruined the romance....I agree a mechanical watch, even if it's broken, would look pretty cool on the wrist of a post-apocolypse vigilante. They could name it Patty for a Nautilus and the lead would talk to their watch as if they understood them better than anyone. Maybe some of us do that already?

wow, that's cool that i've got myself solar seiko speedtimer! Now i'm ready to apocalypse watch wise!

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Damn, you are a cheery bugger, forgot about heat death. Might as well cancel the gym membership, get back on the faga and start eating lard.

You're damn right about railing against this culture of investment, its destroying the joy of wearing these useless bits of of metal and using them for what they are. Which is something to make you smile, and thats my investment, money in and smiles out. Of course if I get a value for money peice (bargain) even better. But the enjoyment of wearing a watch far outweighs the monetary investment potential of it.

Forget all the snake oil salesmen telling you this is the thing to have, and you'll make money on it😅🤣🤣🤣. Oh and don't worry about old Vlad I'm sure very soon he'll get served a cup of that special tea, the sort that makes you glow like a ready brek kid from those ads in the 80s, and as for our shower well special tea is too good for them.

Oh I have my investment piece for the world's end,a seiko 5 that runs so erratic and denies any sort of regulation or demagnitisation so a 10 megatonne blast should get it right on track,cosc spec. And with a turntable bezel should be able to time accurately the disposal of grannies body outside of the 2 doors propped up on the living room that's the nuclear proof bunker as prescribed by the British government (protect and survive and we watched Threads) before you hair drops out and your eyeballs fry.

Enjoy your hobby(because that's what it is) and have fun, anything else is akin to eyeball frying(like what most of what the self proclaimed experts are putting out under the guise of content).

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Stricko

Damn, you are a cheery bugger, forgot about heat death. Might as well cancel the gym membership, get back on the faga and start eating lard.

You're damn right about railing against this culture of investment, its destroying the joy of wearing these useless bits of of metal and using them for what they are. Which is something to make you smile, and thats my investment, money in and smiles out. Of course if I get a value for money peice (bargain) even better. But the enjoyment of wearing a watch far outweighs the monetary investment potential of it.

Forget all the snake oil salesmen telling you this is the thing to have, and you'll make money on it😅🤣🤣🤣. Oh and don't worry about old Vlad I'm sure very soon he'll get served a cup of that special tea, the sort that makes you glow like a ready brek kid from those ads in the 80s, and as for our shower well special tea is too good for them.

Oh I have my investment piece for the world's end,a seiko 5 that runs so erratic and denies any sort of regulation or demagnitisation so a 10 megatonne blast should get it right on track,cosc spec. And with a turntable bezel should be able to time accurately the disposal of grannies body outside of the 2 doors propped up on the living room that's the nuclear proof bunker as prescribed by the British government (protect and survive and we watched Threads) before you hair drops out and your eyeballs fry.

Enjoy your hobby(because that's what it is) and have fun, anything else is akin to eyeball frying(like what most of what the self proclaimed experts are putting out under the guise of content).

I wholeheartedly agree about people banging on about investment watches etc.

If you can collect Rolexes and other high end brands then good for you.

The other 99% of us are scrimping and saving for something homagey from Ebay that we can afford.

Wear what you will, thats the law.

Oh yes, I remember Threads as well. Scared the sh#t out of me at the time. Probably make me laugh now!

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Watches as investments is about the stupidest thing anyone ever came up with. If you pull it off, more power to you and good for your. Seriously. But I agree that you are missing the whole fun, fascination and appeal of watches if they are mere investments. Besides, I kind of suspect the whole "watches are investments" thing was a clever marketing ploy to appeal to the rich person's inflated sense of self-importance.

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I took this picture for you. Sub vs Duro.

Both have a place in my collection but I will admit that the Duro will remain as the house renovation/painting option 🤣

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Catskinner

I have an Everest and it's been trouble free so far. However I already stated in one of my posts that it's easier to climb the Everest than it is to buy one.

That's good news. I read a few reports on the web that if you had any issues or needed some customer service then it was an uphill journey, both ways, through the snow. All products can have issues here or there, but it's how the company addresses them and makes things right that counts.

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I've found I prefer some of the "cheaper" watches 🤷 I'd rather have some options to wear, and less worry of wearing them out and being robbed. Two of my most worn watches I just love wearing are humble Seiko's. I bought both of them for a 1/5th of what I had bought my Doxa for (and Doxa is not necessarily in the expensive category) I will say though....I do miss my Doxa, I might have one in the collection again in the future.

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Eh? Sorry, what's your point? Did you sell your Rolex? If not, it's probably decreased 10% since you posted this.

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I've been around long enough to know that when articles like that start appearing, the investment potential is over

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tonmed

I have said it before and will say it again...

  • Mechanical watches have balance wheels which will become magnetized and render the movement useless until you demagnetize it. You need electronics to demagnetize.

  • Quartz watch circuits are so small, they will not induce enough current to get fried. If it survives the blast, it will likely survive the EMP.

My rant aside, a digital quartz watch will not only outlive a human, it will need no maintenance over it's lifetime compared to a mechanical one. Get a solar one and you may have a chance of never needing a watch again. Its only weakness lies in its case which protects it. Use metal and a Nato and you're pretty safe.

Now that I may have ruined the romance....I agree a mechanical watch, even if it's broken, would look pretty cool on the wrist of a post-apocolypse vigilante. They could name it Patty for a Nautilus and the lead would talk to their watch as if they understood them better than anyone. Maybe some of us do that already?

G Shock… the ultimate watch!