Am I the only one that misses the old ORIS?

I’ve had one of these on my ‘watchlist’ for a bit. Sadly, everything is more expensive these days. Sure! Make the vid so we can all remember the good ol days lol

Hi Max. I wouldn't really recommend doing a video about it. I think this is in part due to the brand growing and being ambitious. There are other brands that are offering reliable-cheaper movements at a better price. Just my honest opinion. I would recommend maybe doing a positive video about how much oris has grown and how good their new watches and movements are. Cheers!

Actually, I think the definition of “mid tier” and the watch pricing structure have changed such that the “new” Oris and Longines are still mid tier while many micro brands are lower tier.

I think the same and I think that the price increases with their own caliber 400 distance them from being an entry-level luxury watch between 1,500 and 2,000 dollars, leaving a very big gap and I think that Oris wants to be at the price level of Tudor is a great nonsense

Please do. I’ve watched old reviews singing the affordability of Oris to see pieces selling for some eye watering prices at my local AD. This is what happens when you move to an in-house movement. They’re commanding prices that are competing with some big boys with big muscles, and I’m really not sure there’s a compelling reason to get an Oris over the other brands.

I was just looking into my Propilot details on Oris’ website the other day & apparently they raised their prices AGAIN earlier this year. Blew me away. They want $2500 for it on a bracelet. I love Oris & I love my Propilot but that’s a hard pill to swallow. The turbine bezel & custom clasp are really cool but I’d never go for it in that price range.

Wow, really differing opinions, but seems I'm not the only one noticing the eye watering pricing. Feels like ORIS wanted to get into a higher tier overnight and we were just supposed to go along with their board meeting decision.

Trouble is, my old cheap ORIS watches are actually more interesting in many ways.

Not sure you should do a "negative" video, I think that would change the tone of what you are trying to do here and on your channel. But I would be interested in seeing a video on how, as you say, the mid tier has shifted to the micro brands, and what that used to look like with Oris and Longines. I think that is extremely topical right now.

Congratulations big dawg. This is an absolute masterpiece of a watch! I love everything about it really

I would do the video but keep it to a positive light of you ask me.

Ps. For the love of god please pull that watch behind your wirst bone so the crown isn’t digging into your hand. My hand hurt looking at the photo lmao 🤣

I'm curious how much their prices have risen if we take inflation into account. Then the question if the price hike is justified becomes more interesting. Can that be explained by the development costs for an, unnecessary, in house movement or is there more going on? 🤔 Have quality and finishing improved? Was the thought that higher prices equal a higher percieved value? Did they pursue the tactic of raising prices and appear to be a higher level brand? And the hardest question of all, are we as customers really so gullible?

I’m shaking my head cause that looks like a new Oris Big Crown Pointer to me. Amazing find at $400.

I'm almost positive I had that exact watch in my favorites on Chrono 24, but the asking price was $750 if I remember correctly. You got it for $400?

To be honest I prefer the current versions to the older reissues like yours.

That Oris is GORGEOUS!

I don’t think I would enjoy you doing a negative take on Oris. You can still get them great value secondhand or grey and it’s not like they’ve raised their prices outrageously. Especially compared with other brands. They’ve managed to stay independent. How about some musings along those lines?

I recently bought my first Oris, a used D65 heritage. I really do like it but I do have difficulty seeing them as being worth the new prices.

That being said, the used prices aren’t too offensive and I just may opt for another one sometime.

Problem is Oris makes $700-$1200 watches that they MSRP at $2,500+. And they can do so because they have convinced the public they are a luxury brand. They are NOT.

I own a BC4, the problem is that we kept comparing with micros, where the production cost could be reduced since they might be manufactured along other micros, so economic of scale. The way out for Oris is their own calibre to increase their reputation thus raise the price, it is a survival game, their cache is their brand.

When I got into watches 2 years ago everyone raved about Oris. They seem to be willing to try anything to see if it sticks to the wall. I've personally never met anyone with a Oris. I don't know a single breakout model that's held my attention and like you said the options are massive in the $1000 range. Sorry Kermit doesn't do it for me. Maybe a Gonzo or a Grover. 😂

Oris has some GREAT vintage designs that could slot extremely well into their current catalogue. The Constantine, the Alan Grant, etc.

You have to give them credit for staying independant for so long with all those giants around them in switzerland. Also I think they are still mid tier with their selita based models which have finishing way above their price category.

In addition their calibres are not only in house but they deliver! I mean the calibre 400 has 10 years warranty and immense power reserve for around 3K which brand is offering that in the mid tier ?

One of the advantages of a heritage brand is that some buyers are willing to pay more for that heritage. One of the disadvantages for the seller is that there are old ads and people remembering that they (could have) bought a watch from that brand for so much less. One of the advantages for the buyer is that there are vintage watches.

If I wanted an Oris within my price range, I'd get a vintage BCPD (the new ones don't look that different anyway).

If I were to get the Oris I really want (the Cal. 115 skeleton), I'd have to save for quite some time (risking further price increases in the meantime) and could use that time to grow a larger wrist.

Baume&Mercier, with the Clifton Baumatic. Im sure they got a long warranty as well, not sure thou.

I agree and they have 3 years warranty just checked. I just love Oris this is why I am probably defending them 😄

I hope they keep their Selitas and Etas around.

The collector push for every brand that charges 4 figures to have an in-house movement will really come back to bite consumers in the long run. We’re all better off if brands work together and with 3rd party movement manufacturers.

For very complex and esoteric movements I can understand the in-house approach (even tho we do see a lot of heavy modification working out just fine), but for 3-handed movements and basic chronographs, the call for those to be in-house movements should be approached much more critically. We should ask of such a movements, “What are you, x brand, meaningfully bringing to the table with this movement that others are not and why should consumers be dependent on only you?”.

To add, i think many forget that the cost of in-house movements necessarily will increase the price in order for the company to make returns on such a massive investment.

There had also just been a total draining of appreciation for the specialists who just do movement manufacturing.

Not just that but to recoup the money from such a massive investment.

I pray every CW release that they stay with Selitas.

Agreed. If you're making an ETA 2824 / Selitta SW-200-1 clone and that's it, no thanks. If you're doing that but adding 12+ hours to the power reserve, making it more shock proof and accurate, making it magnetic resistant and fixing the reverser gears, great.

However, between an in house movement and a Chronometer SW-200-1 or even better, SW-300, or a LGP G-100 or equivalent and something in house that's more expensive and unproven..... Give me the Chronometer or Highest grade LJP please.

The Crescent date hand is underrated. Supa Clean

I love old Oris. I also got for the same price an Oris Artelier petit seconds in Tokyo.

I live the weight and balance. It the thinner watch I own. It also travels forward in time… one minute everyday! :)