Kinda stealth wealth

"Everyone at this wedding is going to think I am rich wearing this watch!" As I drive up in my 2017 Hyundai....

I know the term stealth wealth is used for a watch made out of platinum or something resembling steel but really is quite valuable.

Would this be the other end of stealth wealth, or is it just fake wealth? Please be gentle with your replies. My ego is very fragile lol.

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Anyone who would know what a Tank or Reverso is, will know that's not one. 

On the other hand it looks timeless, and classy. So if anyone does notice the watch, they'll think you know how to dress appropriately. 

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KristianG

Anyone who would know what a Tank or Reverso is, will know that's not one. 

On the other hand it looks timeless, and classy. So if anyone does notice the watch, they'll think you know how to dress appropriately. 

Little do they know my Mom picked out my clothes.😂 (very much joking)

I am just going to be dancing so much that no one will get a clear look at it. They can't truly judge what they can't fully see amirite?

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It is a timeless design made by a historically important, perhaps preeminent, watch manufacturer. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. It is also more easily readable than a Cartier because Cartier crowds the dial with oversized numerals.

This watch is superior to a Cartier tank. Don't be insecure about it, it is a flex.

(On the flip side, any JLC leaves this in the dust, accuracy be damned.)

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Wear it with pride, dance until your feet bleed, and make off with the chief bridesmaid my friend!

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Aurelian

It is a timeless design made by a historically important, perhaps preeminent, watch manufacturer. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. It is also more easily readable than a Cartier because Cartier crowds the dial with oversized numerals.

This watch is superior to a Cartier tank. Don't be insecure about it, it is a flex.

(On the flip side, any JLC leaves this in the dust, accuracy be damned.)

I’m sorry but I disagree completely. No way does this outdo a Cartier Tank. No disrespect to anyone who owns this watch, but you only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach. 

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I have the gold tone solar version of this watch, it really does punch up a notch.  My other half swiped it, I haven't seen it for months.

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Dude just enjoy the watch and don’t worry about flexing. The watch is classy so be classy…some might have wealth but no class… so stay classy my friend…

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WatchN

I’m sorry but I disagree completely. No way does this outdo a Cartier Tank. No disrespect to anyone who owns this watch, but you only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach. 

Or you don't like the Cartier... not everyone who can afford a particular watch buys that watch. 

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KristianG

Or you don't like the Cartier... not everyone who can afford a particular watch buys that watch. 

I agree to an extent. But generally if you don’t like the real thing you’re not gonna like the homages, unless they have some kind of differential. This is basically a copy of the Cartier on a budget. 

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I've bought/owned about 3 Cartier tanks over the course of my life and maybe 2 of these Seiko Tanks.

There's certainly a quality difference (mainly in the straps) but not really as much of one as the price would imply.  Both are pretty great watches which I would love more if I were a fan of the rectangular style.

I often think about the Seiko Tank when I  think about how  I want homage watches to be.  Despite the shared shapes and Romans, there is no mistaking one for the other.  Yet they accomplish the same thing, low key dress watch that does not call attention to itself.

I think you made the right call with the steel, the gold painted one will age much faster.

As for what stealth wealth is (is that what the zoomers call it?), no one put it better than JL Collins.

https://youtu.be/eikbQPldhPY 

I've known enough very rich people who are simultaneously trapped in their lives to understand that the only measure of wealth that matters is being able to say no when someone asks you to do something.

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WatchN

I’m sorry but I disagree completely. No way does this outdo a Cartier Tank. No disrespect to anyone who owns this watch, but you only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach. 

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, but let's break it down.

  1. Quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements, I don't think that this debatable.  This watch is quartz. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. One of the prime functions of a time piece is accuracy. Point to Seiko.
  2.  Both Cartier and Seiko have long and storied histories. Cartier invented this style of watch. Variations of this design dominated consumers' buying preferences through the Second World War. However, Cartier was and is primarily known as a jewelry manufacturer to the general public. They have never had a golden era where they were a major player in the watch industry, or perhaps, this is their golden era.  By contrast, Seiko has been an industry pioneer. I think that the "Quartz Crisis" is misnamed, but it is undeniable that Seiko ushered us into the modern age.  At the same time they created a line of mechanical watches that are the entry point for many watch enthusiasts. They create luxury pieces and bargain watches. Cartier reissues slight variations of old designs. They only occupy a luxury space. Point to Seiko.
  3.  When the United States and British military issued specification for military watches they required Arabic numerals.  The reason is self-evident:  Arabic numerals are more legible than Roman numerals. When Cartier created the tank they were closer in time to the Crimean War than today. Roman numerals were common on mantle clocks and large public clocks. They have always been an affectation, a simulacrum of sophistication and taste. Cartier fills more dial space with them.  This leads to difficulty accurately reading near the VIII (the impetus for the California Dial). Seiko minimizes this legibility problem by reducing the size of the numerals. Half point to Seiko.
  4.  Don't get me started on that crystal carbuncle that Cartier uses as a crown. Point to Seiko.
  5.  "[Y]ou only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach." I think that I have given reasons why that is not true.  @KristianG makes a good point about personal taste.  But, I also want to point out that this is the very watch snobbery that the OP was concerned with: would he be judged for wearing this watch? And boom! You drop a judgment based on personal wealth. On the scale of wrongthink this is:
Up to eleven - Wikipedia

You might as well have said that he was wearing a peasant's watch.

The Seiko is a good looking and functional watch. Which do you think the farmer's son, Jack Pershing, would have chosen for himself?

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Edge168n

I've bought/owned about 3 Cartier tanks over the course of my life and maybe 2 of these Seiko Tanks.

There's certainly a quality difference (mainly in the straps) but not really as much of one as the price would imply.  Both are pretty great watches which I would love more if I were a fan of the rectangular style.

I often think about the Seiko Tank when I  think about how  I want homage watches to be.  Despite the shared shapes and Romans, there is no mistaking one for the other.  Yet they accomplish the same thing, low key dress watch that does not call attention to itself.

I think you made the right call with the steel, the gold painted one will age much faster.

As for what stealth wealth is (is that what the zoomers call it?), no one put it better than JL Collins.

https://youtu.be/eikbQPldhPY 

I've known enough very rich people who are simultaneously trapped in their lives to understand that the only measure of wealth that matters is being able to say no when someone asks you to do something.

I want to be in a fuck you Position!! 🍻 

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Aurelian

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, but let's break it down.

  1. Quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements, I don't think that this debatable.  This watch is quartz. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. One of the prime functions of a time piece is accuracy. Point to Seiko.
  2.  Both Cartier and Seiko have long and storied histories. Cartier invented this style of watch. Variations of this design dominated consumers' buying preferences through the Second World War. However, Cartier was and is primarily known as a jewelry manufacturer to the general public. They have never had a golden era where they were a major player in the watch industry, or perhaps, this is their golden era.  By contrast, Seiko has been an industry pioneer. I think that the "Quartz Crisis" is misnamed, but it is undeniable that Seiko ushered us into the modern age.  At the same time they created a line of mechanical watches that are the entry point for many watch enthusiasts. They create luxury pieces and bargain watches. Cartier reissues slight variations of old designs. They only occupy a luxury space. Point to Seiko.
  3.  When the United States and British military issued specification for military watches they required Arabic numerals.  The reason is self-evident:  Arabic numerals are more legible than Roman numerals. When Cartier created the tank they were closer in time to the Crimean War than today. Roman numerals were common on mantle clocks and large public clocks. They have always been an affectation, a simulacrum of sophistication and taste. Cartier fills more dial space with them.  This leads to difficulty accurately reading near the VIII (the impetus for the California Dial). Seiko minimizes this legibility problem by reducing the size of the numerals. Half point to Seiko.
  4.  Don't get me started on that crystal carbuncle that Cartier uses as a crown. Point to Seiko.
  5.  "[Y]ou only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach." I think that I have given reasons why that is not true.  @KristianG makes a good point about personal taste.  But, I also want to point out that this is the very watch snobbery that the OP was concerned with: would he be judged for wearing this watch? And boom! You drop a judgment based on personal wealth. On the scale of wrongthink this is:
Up to eleven - Wikipedia

You might as well have said that he was wearing a peasant's watch.

The Seiko is a good looking and functional watch. Which do you think the farmer's son, Jack Pershing, would have chosen for himself?

Again. All valid points. Speaking as a generalisation. 
But specific to the Tank. Nobody buys a tank for the quality of its movement or legibility of its dial. If that is a primary factor in decision making then neither of these watches would be top of the list. 
This watch is bought predominantly for its style. Cartier invented this style. A lot of other brands replicated this style. Hence my comment, specific to this watch, if You want this style you want the Cartier. If it’s unattainable then you look at the alternatives. 

My intention was not to be snobby at all. I’m broke as s**t myself haha. 

The OP himself acknowledged that this watch is a symbol of “fake wealth”. Cartier is fashion and luxury. They just go beyond jewellery and into watches and they do it better than the other fashion houses (Gucci etc). They have also been pioneers. The Santos is often referred to as the first mens wrist watch or whatever. 
 

by no means am I knocking anyone who buys and wears homages of this tank but lets be real. If they were the same price then it would be a Cartier on everyone’s wrist. 

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Aurelian

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, but let's break it down.

  1. Quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements, I don't think that this debatable.  This watch is quartz. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. One of the prime functions of a time piece is accuracy. Point to Seiko.
  2.  Both Cartier and Seiko have long and storied histories. Cartier invented this style of watch. Variations of this design dominated consumers' buying preferences through the Second World War. However, Cartier was and is primarily known as a jewelry manufacturer to the general public. They have never had a golden era where they were a major player in the watch industry, or perhaps, this is their golden era.  By contrast, Seiko has been an industry pioneer. I think that the "Quartz Crisis" is misnamed, but it is undeniable that Seiko ushered us into the modern age.  At the same time they created a line of mechanical watches that are the entry point for many watch enthusiasts. They create luxury pieces and bargain watches. Cartier reissues slight variations of old designs. They only occupy a luxury space. Point to Seiko.
  3.  When the United States and British military issued specification for military watches they required Arabic numerals.  The reason is self-evident:  Arabic numerals are more legible than Roman numerals. When Cartier created the tank they were closer in time to the Crimean War than today. Roman numerals were common on mantle clocks and large public clocks. They have always been an affectation, a simulacrum of sophistication and taste. Cartier fills more dial space with them.  This leads to difficulty accurately reading near the VIII (the impetus for the California Dial). Seiko minimizes this legibility problem by reducing the size of the numerals. Half point to Seiko.
  4.  Don't get me started on that crystal carbuncle that Cartier uses as a crown. Point to Seiko.
  5.  "[Y]ou only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach." I think that I have given reasons why that is not true.  @KristianG makes a good point about personal taste.  But, I also want to point out that this is the very watch snobbery that the OP was concerned with: would he be judged for wearing this watch? And boom! You drop a judgment based on personal wealth. On the scale of wrongthink this is:
Up to eleven - Wikipedia

You might as well have said that he was wearing a peasant's watch.

The Seiko is a good looking and functional watch. Which do you think the farmer's son, Jack Pershing, would have chosen for himself?

@Aurelian, that was a very effective rebuttal. You are indeed the Jordan Peterson of watch aficionados. 

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WatchN

Again. All valid points. Speaking as a generalisation. 
But specific to the Tank. Nobody buys a tank for the quality of its movement or legibility of its dial. If that is a primary factor in decision making then neither of these watches would be top of the list. 
This watch is bought predominantly for its style. Cartier invented this style. A lot of other brands replicated this style. Hence my comment, specific to this watch, if You want this style you want the Cartier. If it’s unattainable then you look at the alternatives. 

My intention was not to be snobby at all. I’m broke as s**t myself haha. 

The OP himself acknowledged that this watch is a symbol of “fake wealth”. Cartier is fashion and luxury. They just go beyond jewellery and into watches and they do it better than the other fashion houses (Gucci etc). They have also been pioneers. The Santos is often referred to as the first mens wrist watch or whatever. 
 

by no means am I knocking anyone who buys and wears homages of this tank but lets be real. If they were the same price then it would be a Cartier on everyone’s wrist. 

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MMerc5

I get what you are saying, but the Seiko is WAY larger I think. Granted, I would much rather have the tank. I will get one someday. But to say that it is the same thing just on a budget is not quite true.

Yeah I haven’t handled the Seiko in person to be honest. But I was just making a point that anyone Who likes this watch would (99%) want the Tank first. 
Don't mind me anyway my intention wasn’t to diss the Seiko in anyway. I’m saving for a Santos atm so hopefully we’ll be hitting up our local Cartier stores soon 😅

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MMerc5

Not about the flex. I am very clearly a high school history teacher. Just fun to imagine other's reactions to seeing something that shape on my wrist.

I get it, enjoy the watch and thank you for being a teacher, it’s hard work and you guys don’t get enough praise!! teachers deserve more in my opinion 🍻 

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SurferJohn

I have the gold tone solar version of this watch, it really does punch up a notch.  My other half swiped it, I haven't seen it for months.

Lthat sounds like a great version

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WatchN

Yeah I haven’t handled the Seiko in person to be honest. But I was just making a point that anyone Who likes this watch would (99%) want the Tank first. 
Don't mind me anyway my intention wasn’t to diss the Seiko in anyway. I’m saving for a Santos atm so hopefully we’ll be hitting up our local Cartier stores soon 😅

No worries! Good luck with your saving journey🤞. You will be the first person on here that I tell that I got a Tank.

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Ichibunz

I get it, enjoy the watch and thank you for being a teacher, it’s hard work and you guys don’t get enough praise!! teachers deserve more in my opinion 🍻 

I appreciate the kind words. Thank you.

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Aurelian

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, but let's break it down.

  1. Quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements, I don't think that this debatable.  This watch is quartz. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. One of the prime functions of a time piece is accuracy. Point to Seiko.
  2.  Both Cartier and Seiko have long and storied histories. Cartier invented this style of watch. Variations of this design dominated consumers' buying preferences through the Second World War. However, Cartier was and is primarily known as a jewelry manufacturer to the general public. They have never had a golden era where they were a major player in the watch industry, or perhaps, this is their golden era.  By contrast, Seiko has been an industry pioneer. I think that the "Quartz Crisis" is misnamed, but it is undeniable that Seiko ushered us into the modern age.  At the same time they created a line of mechanical watches that are the entry point for many watch enthusiasts. They create luxury pieces and bargain watches. Cartier reissues slight variations of old designs. They only occupy a luxury space. Point to Seiko.
  3.  When the United States and British military issued specification for military watches they required Arabic numerals.  The reason is self-evident:  Arabic numerals are more legible than Roman numerals. When Cartier created the tank they were closer in time to the Crimean War than today. Roman numerals were common on mantle clocks and large public clocks. They have always been an affectation, a simulacrum of sophistication and taste. Cartier fills more dial space with them.  This leads to difficulty accurately reading near the VIII (the impetus for the California Dial). Seiko minimizes this legibility problem by reducing the size of the numerals. Half point to Seiko.
  4.  Don't get me started on that crystal carbuncle that Cartier uses as a crown. Point to Seiko.
  5.  "[Y]ou only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach." I think that I have given reasons why that is not true.  @KristianG makes a good point about personal taste.  But, I also want to point out that this is the very watch snobbery that the OP was concerned with: would he be judged for wearing this watch? And boom! You drop a judgment based on personal wealth. On the scale of wrongthink this is:
Up to eleven - Wikipedia

You might as well have said that he was wearing a peasant's watch.

The Seiko is a good looking and functional watch. Which do you think the farmer's son, Jack Pershing, would have chosen for himself?

After much thinking it over, and reading quite a bit of stuff online, I can only think of the "quartz crisis" as the "quartz revolution." But even that hyperbole.

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Aurelian

It is a timeless design made by a historically important, perhaps preeminent, watch manufacturer. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. It is also more easily readable than a Cartier because Cartier crowds the dial with oversized numerals.

This watch is superior to a Cartier tank. Don't be insecure about it, it is a flex.

(On the flip side, any JLC leaves this in the dust, accuracy be damned.)

Lol, no, not superior to a Cartier tank.  Have you handled one?  Nothing wrong with that Seiko, tho!

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Here we go again.

Have you handled one?

Do you see the snobbery contained therein? Fit and finish are not essential for the proper functioning of a watch.  Accurate time keeping and legibility are. I don't care how beautiful or well finished it is.  I am not judging it as jewelry, but as a timepiece. (I am also mostly kidding, but come on.)

Your argument is a variation of the "appeal to authority".  It is an "appeal to experience". Both are errors.  It is no better than "trust me, I know." It is not an argument that relies on fact to persuade, only the subjective criteria of the arguer.

Years ago certain car makers made their doors heavier. Heavy doors did not change the safety or efficiency of the car.  What it did was to change the sound the door made when it was closed. Consumers equated a lower frequency "thunk" with quality. Consumers fooled themselves. Cartier is your heavy door.

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Aurelian

My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that, but let's break it down.

  1. Quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical movements, I don't think that this debatable.  This watch is quartz. It is more accurate than any mechanical Cartier. One of the prime functions of a time piece is accuracy. Point to Seiko.
  2.  Both Cartier and Seiko have long and storied histories. Cartier invented this style of watch. Variations of this design dominated consumers' buying preferences through the Second World War. However, Cartier was and is primarily known as a jewelry manufacturer to the general public. They have never had a golden era where they were a major player in the watch industry, or perhaps, this is their golden era.  By contrast, Seiko has been an industry pioneer. I think that the "Quartz Crisis" is misnamed, but it is undeniable that Seiko ushered us into the modern age.  At the same time they created a line of mechanical watches that are the entry point for many watch enthusiasts. They create luxury pieces and bargain watches. Cartier reissues slight variations of old designs. They only occupy a luxury space. Point to Seiko.
  3.  When the United States and British military issued specification for military watches they required Arabic numerals.  The reason is self-evident:  Arabic numerals are more legible than Roman numerals. When Cartier created the tank they were closer in time to the Crimean War than today. Roman numerals were common on mantle clocks and large public clocks. They have always been an affectation, a simulacrum of sophistication and taste. Cartier fills more dial space with them.  This leads to difficulty accurately reading near the VIII (the impetus for the California Dial). Seiko minimizes this legibility problem by reducing the size of the numerals. Half point to Seiko.
  4.  Don't get me started on that crystal carbuncle that Cartier uses as a crown. Point to Seiko.
  5.  "[Y]ou only buy this if the Cartier is out of reach." I think that I have given reasons why that is not true.  @KristianG makes a good point about personal taste.  But, I also want to point out that this is the very watch snobbery that the OP was concerned with: would he be judged for wearing this watch? And boom! You drop a judgment based on personal wealth. On the scale of wrongthink this is:
Up to eleven - Wikipedia

You might as well have said that he was wearing a peasant's watch.

The Seiko is a good looking and functional watch. Which do you think the farmer's son, Jack Pershing, would have chosen for himself?

Many Cartier Tank are quartz. The larger sized Cartier models are mechanical.

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You’re wealthy in your own unique way man. Enjoy this classy watch. 

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Oddly enough, your Seiko Tank reminds me of my 2015 Hyundai. Feels more expensive than it is! (but the electronic trunk latch doesn't work, just to remind me that it's still a Hyundai) 

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street.credor

Oddly enough, your Seiko Tank reminds me of my 2015 Hyundai. Feels more expensive than it is! (but the electronic trunk latch doesn't work, just to remind me that it's still a Hyundai) 

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For sure! Here is mine ( same color and package, but totally not my picture). Feels super nice. Actually, I would go as far as to say that the watch and the car a very similar. I have gotten tons of compliments on both, and I love them both dearly. They both punch well above their weights. Plus the real deal Cartier would probably cost as much as the car at this point. Better investment all around haha.

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divefroggy

You’re wealthy in your own unique way man. Enjoy this classy watch. 

It wasn't about the watch collecting...it was the friends we made along the way!

I feel wealthy just to have this as a silly hobby and to talk about it with cool folks.

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Whitesalmon

Being a high school teach you deserve to wear a nice watch!

I appreciate the comment, Mr. Salmon.

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Nothing wrong with this watch nor the Santos. I agree to everyone's valid points on both sides of Seiko and Cartier. If you like this watch, then you'd like the Santos too for they resemble each other in a sense since the Seiko is paying homage. But maybe some might not like the Santos or the Seiko due to certain differences in details, quartz vs mechanical, or simply some like affordable and some don't and vice versa the other way around. At the end of the day, it's your watch and who cares about flex culture? Just tell them thanks and say by no means I'm trying to be rich, you just happened to like the style of this particular watch which is also a homage to the Cartier. I'm actually planning to buy this watch, just waiting for the right price. And yes, I'd also like to own a Santos, but nothing wrong with getting this watch from a brand that I grew up seeing everywhere and the one that changed the game! Cheers 🍻