Quartz can be awesome!! 📢

So my uncle recently commented on a Insta-post with the picture above. And it sounded something like this: "Batteries belongs in electric cars. I like the true craftmanship of mechanical watches." 

I kinda saw red 😡 This is such an unoriginal, narrowminded, snobbish thing to say. 

This watch is running well within chronometer standards for mech-watches after 40++ years (probably without service). A mech-watch would have needed to be serviced about 8 times in that timespan (older service intervalls). It's a beautiful movement with decorations and you can clearly see the jewels in the photo. This indicates that this has little in common with cheap, throw-away quartz movements.

Horological legends like F.P Journe, Patek Philippe, Omega and Grand Seiko still makes quartz watches. Why? Because they are "not real craftmanship"? 

Quartz is more precise, more durable and cheaper to produce. Terrible propeties right? It almost killed the "real" swiss watchmaking? Well, you're probably a capitalist if you are into luxury watches. That's the market. Quartz made timepieces available to a lot of people who could not afford a watch before. And made the swiss industry improve and adapt 😭 Poor folks of the swiss watch industry...

Not all quartz watches are made equal!! Common.. This is such boring bullshit to have to listen to!

I basically told him to get a Sun Watch/Sundial Watch in gold with some intricate carving. That's expensive, craftmanship and super traditional.

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Sorry to say…you need a new uncle 😂…but I can’t deny I was once as narrow minded until I started learning and speaking with people with different views than mine that opened my mind to possiblities…give him time and expose him to other watches and ideas he may open his mind a bit…we just need to broaden the path…also Yes Quartz is Awesome!

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Ichibunz

Sorry to say…you need a new uncle 😂…but I can’t deny I was once as narrow minded until I started learning and speaking with people with different views than mine that opened my mind to possiblities…give him time and expose him to other watches and ideas he may open his mind a bit…we just need to broaden the path…also Yes Quartz is Awesome!

Gave him a quick lecture 😅 I don't think he meant anything by it.

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I have more quartz than mechanical watches, including solar and kinetic, and prefer the whole reality of being able to pick it up and not worry that the time and date are wrong. They are more accurate than mechanical watches and as mentioned need servicing less (if at all).

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Narren

I have more quartz than mechanical watches, including solar and kinetic, and prefer the whole reality of being able to pick it up and not worry that the time and date are wrong. They are more accurate than mechanical watches and as mentioned need servicing less (if at all).

I think the lack of service is one of the reasons some quartz watches die early. But there is price to consider. But they require less maintainance, yes ☺️

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I just filled my ‘nice’ quartz box. I’m a recent quartz convert. 😄

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I guess it depends on what you want out of a watch. I have quartz watches that do their jobs without much fuss or cost, and I love that. And I have mechanical watches that require more of me, but represent something that can’t be found in quartz and I love that too. 
 

I object to the argument being unoriginal. I mean, yes it is, but it’s often used because there’s truth to it. Mechanical watches have a romance that…well, you know. 
 

So back to what you want out of a watch. Our world is so full of cheap things, it’s hard to argue they’re special. But mechanical watches are the opposite, and that makes them interesting and special in a way quartz rarely is. 

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mjosamannen

Gave him a quick lecture 😅 I don't think he meant anything by it.

Sadly, that type of attitude is all too common in far too many ways. 

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Quartz has it's place. Mechanical has it's place. Both can co-exist in my collection. Sadly, it's gonna get more expensive to buy a mechanical piece new before too long 

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synaptyx

I just filled my ‘nice’ quartz box. I’m a recent quartz convert. 😄

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Pure class 👌👌 I still love a good auto/mech, but it's just stupid to ignore some many options based on BS.

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thekris

I guess it depends on what you want out of a watch. I have quartz watches that do their jobs without much fuss or cost, and I love that. And I have mechanical watches that require more of me, but represent something that can’t be found in quartz and I love that too. 
 

I object to the argument being unoriginal. I mean, yes it is, but it’s often used because there’s truth to it. Mechanical watches have a romance that…well, you know. 
 

So back to what you want out of a watch. Our world is so full of cheap things, it’s hard to argue they’re special. But mechanical watches are the opposite, and that makes them interesting and special in a way quartz rarely is. 

I think this is just your opinion. How special a watch is is based on your perception. Take GS's Spring Drive? How long was it development before it was available to the masses? 20-30-40 years? It's quartz based and therefore not special? But a cheapo auto-movement is romantic?

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UnholiestJedi

Quartz has it's place. Mechanical has it's place. Both can co-exist in my collection. Sadly, it's gonna get more expensive to buy a mechanical piece new before too long 

I love a nice MECH too 🤖 But I don't discount a whole segment of the market based on the movement alone. I want quality and something interesting, and that is to find in both "camps"

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Most of my collection is quartz, I like how they are always at the ready, but I do enjoy my mech. watches too.  I have a large collection of Timex watches, so I made it a priority to change the battery myself.  Not sure if they even need to be serviced.

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mjosamannen

I think the lack of service is one of the reasons some quartz watches die early. But there is price to consider. But they require less maintainance, yes ☺️

Just curious what kind of servicing does a quartz watch need?  I have watches that as long as the battery is changed, they are working.  There are very few moving parts that grind against anything.  Would love to know what a service is like for a quartz.  Thx

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I enjoyed your well-warranted rant --- as quartz is as important a development in time telling as perhaps the sundial ever was. I applaud well-made quartz movements like you and appreciate their ingenious attributes. My nicest quartz movement is my ETA 251.262 found in my 1994 Tag Heuer F1 Chronograph. This movement has 27 jewels and sports a 12 hour chronograph. That's pretty spiffy in my book. 

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TimexBadger

Just curious what kind of servicing does a quartz watch need?  I have watches that as long as the battery is changed, they are working.  There are very few moving parts that grind against anything.  Would love to know what a service is like for a quartz.  Thx

Depends on the movement. I wouldn't care if service is more expensive than the watch (except if it was something special). I think the new Grand Seiko quartz watches have a 50 year service intervall, but that is sealed in some way. I'm getting my watch serviced soon when I'm gonna get some cosmetics fixes 🔧

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I like that vintage Omega quartz, I like it a lot.

A lot of people have forgotten that when quartz first came out it was marketed as an upgrade.  Seiko charged an extra $10 or $20 for the same watch with quartz in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  

All the disgusting quartz cheapness that followed is history.  The problem is the cheap stuff still lasts forever as well, it never goes way.  There isn't much to go wrong; people have piles of old quartz watches that, "need a battery."

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tempus

Who said anything about "soul"?   I personally don't subscribe to the theory that mechanical watches have a "soul", but I personally find them more interesting than quartz watches. It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to say that one is better than another, simply that I personally prefer one over the other. The reason I had replied originally was that there was an implication that your points were based on facts and his were based on opinion. From where I sit, it's all a matter of opinion. It's totally possible for someone to not be interested in quartz watches without being a snob - it simply boils down to what attracts them to watches in the first place.

I never implied that I was sharing anything but my opinion. And of course you can be into mechanical-only, nothing wrong about that. Whether some you are a snob depends on if you put other people down and feel superior because of your preferences 😊

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LumegaudAnar

While I readily agree with the notion that collecting is a series of personal choices and everyone is free to like or prefer whatever watches they desire, I do think that focusing on one type of movement leads to missing some amazing watches, whether it be quartz, mechanical, or some hybridization of the two like the spring drive, mecha-quartz, or kinetic movement.

While I do have watches with all sorts of different movements both quartz and mechanical, there is still one type of watch I am not really interested in adding to my collection, a smart watch. I have looked at them a couple of times. I have no real objection to them, I just haven't been interested enough to actually get one. As @foghorn is so fond of saying, "a chacun son gout."

Finally, without quartz movements, I wouldn't have this collection. 😂

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I like both!! But I don't like snobbish, patronizing attitudes 😤

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Aurelian

Now, that this is settled can we discuss the merits of homages?

I think some people even got offended that I defended quartz-pieces 🙄 People need to not be so religious about their hobbies 🤣

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PoorMansRolex

Perhaps it's because I never bought into this notion of watchmaking as something any more fascinating, old-school, elitist, or whatever than GM popping together some Chevy engine, but I generally suspect the mechanical absolutists are, you know, ill-informed twits latching on to the first bit of banal opinion they heard as a mantra to differentiate themselves and convince themselves that they are a bit superior and more knowledgeable than others, anyone ins ome way. 

Anyone can have their own preference, justified or not. But I tend to get peeved with the meaningless malarkey that typically gets tossed out to explain the opinion. 
"Craftsmanship" is one of those. WTF does that mean?  As far as I know it seems to be code for:

  • this belief that Europeans are being paid to do costly processes (aka ethnic and economic snobbery)
  • Antiquarian snobbery from people that have remarkably narrow areas where they care about outmoded technology, history, tradition, manufacturing, etc. (what's this about electric cars, don't you love the soul of carburetors, distributors, and hand crank starters?)

Wow, that's it. Either of these would be totally cool with me if they permeated with other aspects of the person's life. If everything they buy was top notch, cost-no-object goods of master "craftsmanship", great! I'm actually a bit closer to the steampunk anachronistic holdout that just likes repairable, durable goods that are obsolete but have indisputable merits over convenient modern throwaway marvels. 

I think the claim that a smooth second hand is oh-so-pleasing is odd, but it is a thing. I can agree with the "tee hee, little moving parts!" giddiness, but uh have you seen a quartz movement? I think the precision and intricacy there is at a whole nother level. It just happens to be more mass producible.

Need I mention that the "love of craftsmanship" for many of these people often evaporates with discussion of non-European or non-luxury watches, vintage, or pocket watches? This seems to belie that the true interest is solely in a visible status marker.

Admittedly I'm commenting (diatribing?) against a very small segment of the enthusiast community, but I think it needs to be acknowledged that some people are, at best, deluding themselves.

Now you mention it. A quality quartz is totally repairable(is that a word?) and serviceable. We don't even know what the lifespans of quality quartz is if it's taken good care of. It's after all a pretty new technology.

I like both. Let's say I'm into complications and I'm a regular joe. Then I can't afford mechanical watch with some complications, but can easily afford a quartz with those complications. Should people put their nose up at me because of that? Ridiculous...

Yeah, I don't know how to change this attitude. It's basically a marketing ploy from the swiss to make people keep buying their watches.

I like both types, but hate snobs.

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SurferJohn

I like that vintage Omega quartz, I like it a lot.

A lot of people have forgotten that when quartz first came out it was marketed as an upgrade.  Seiko charged an extra $10 or $20 for the same watch with quartz in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  

All the disgusting quartz cheapness that followed is history.  The problem is the cheap stuff still lasts forever as well, it never goes way.  There isn't much to go wrong; people have piles of old quartz watches that, "need a battery."

It's clearly quality. I never have owned a quartz of this caliber (pun intended), and it made me realize that there are levels to quartz in the same way there are levels to mechs.

Glad you like it ☺️ I gonna get it serviced and cleaned after dropping it on the bathroom floor. Pulverizes the lume all over the dial and acrylic 😭

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TimexBadger

Just curious what kind of servicing does a quartz watch need?  I have watches that as long as the battery is changed, they are working.  There are very few moving parts that grind against anything.  Would love to know what a service is like for a quartz.  Thx

So I recently brought my shinola to one of their stores to have a battery swapped out and they said they’d ship it out for ‘servicing’. I figured it was free and I got other watches to wear so why not? They say they check gaskets for water resistance and maybe look over the movement or whatever, seemed a bit silly but that’s what the guy told me. 

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i have some great quartz watches. Most of my watches are quartz. I get the ‘artisan craftsmanship’ of mechanical watches, and I agree, I just think craftsmanship can have a few forms. My Bulova Lunar Pilot, G Shock, and Timex Q reissue are all great looking and wearing watches. 

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Dingus

So I recently brought my shinola to one of their stores to have a battery swapped out and they said they’d ship it out for ‘servicing’. I figured it was free and I got other watches to wear so why not? They say they check gaskets for water resistance and maybe look over the movement or whatever, seemed a bit silly but that’s what the guy told me. 

Thanks for the info.  I change my battery myself and there is only one gasket as far as I know that is a simple change, so I'm wondering if it's all BS.  Not sure if a Quartz even needs it, but hey I don't know and would love to know if there is more too it.  Thanks again!

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Dingus

So I recently brought my shinola to one of their stores to have a battery swapped out and they said they’d ship it out for ‘servicing’. I figured it was free and I got other watches to wear so why not? They say they check gaskets for water resistance and maybe look over the movement or whatever, seemed a bit silly but that’s what the guy told me. 

A pressure test might be in order, but there should be no need for a service if it's a relatively new watch 👍

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Dingus

i have some great quartz watches. Most of my watches are quartz. I get the ‘artisan craftsmanship’ of mechanical watches, and I agree, I just think craftsmanship can have a few forms. My Bulova Lunar Pilot, G Shock, and Timex Q reissue are all great looking and wearing watches. 

And there are advanced quartz out there aswell...

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TimexBadger

Thanks for the info.  I change my battery myself and there is only one gasket as far as I know that is a simple change, so I'm wondering if it's all BS.  Not sure if a Quartz even needs it, but hey I don't know and would love to know if there is more too it.  Thanks again!

There are moving parts in a quartz aswell that might need cleaning and/or lubrication. I think they swap the movement if there is anything beyond that.

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mjosamannen

There are moving parts in a quartz aswell that might need cleaning and/or lubrication. I think they swap the movement if there is anything beyond that.

Yes, that's what I was thinking.  I would really love how to learn hot to replacement one movement for another, but after watching a YouTube video, I think replacing batteries is as far as I can go.

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TimexBadger

Yes, that's what I was thinking.  I would really love how to learn hot to replacement one movement for another, but after watching a YouTube video, I think replacing batteries is as far as I can go.

I think you need some basic gear, a steady hand and a cheap watch to practice on ☺️ 

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Honestly I nearly fell into the same trappings of mechanical > quartz. Japanese watches were the very antithesis of this notion for me. Seiko and Casio were/are pioneers with their quartz innovation and to this day still make great watches at all kinds of price ranges.

I think another factor rarely brought up in these debates is that most people don't decide on which watch to buy solely on their movements. For me, the dial plays a major factor and there are a TON of beautiful dials on those quartz movements (Seiko makes great textured dials for their quartz watches, ie. Silver Wave watches).

I always say in the end people like what they like. It's fine if you like mechanical watches. What annoys me is when snobbery comes into play and quartz are then seen as inferior. You can just say you prefer mechanical, I promise it's okay to have preferences.