Sellita SW 200/220 in a €2k watch; fair or not?
Is a Sellita SW 200 or 220 caliber a fair value in a 2k watch or do we hope or expect to get a slightly more sophisticated and higher standard caliber for that price? Would you qualify out such a watch due to the caliber?
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Toby
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What's wrong with the excellent SW200? Not ornate enough?
Sellita SW200 and i Love it, I think that the famous "In House" is already overrated, the manufacturing/construction materials, polishing and brushing, etc. of each piece should also be valued.
What's wrong with the excellent SW200? Not ornate enough?
Nothing wrong with the SW 200. These days you get that caliber in 400€ watches from Asia and I’m lovin it. This is also where my question is coming from, is it still fair value in a 2k watch 🤔
Should be imo under 2k unless you pay premium
For brand name, high end finishing etc
Nothing wrong with the SW 200. These days you get that caliber in 400€ watches from Asia and I’m lovin it. This is also where my question is coming from, is it still fair value in a 2k watch 🤔
Understood. You should know, however, that there are four grades of SW200, the last of which is COSC certified. You won't find that in a 400€ watch.
Understood. You should know, however, that there are four grades of SW200, the last of which is COSC certified. You won't find that in a 400€ watch.
You are right. Thanks for pointing this out 👍
Okay nothing against the movement itself, indeed I have it in this watch that I very much enjoy (bought pre-owned for way way under $2k).
And I do know that there are different grades based on regulated accuracy.
But when it also comes in the watch below and can currently be had for $230 for Jomashop then I think I would be needing something pretty special (precious metals?) to get much north of $1500. Never say never but I would be thinking long and hard.
And I am not knocking Invicta, I think they do some great value watches - this being one. But the pricing does I think put an anchor on my preparedness to pay handsomely more for this movement.
You are right. Thanks for pointing this out 👍
Which watch are you eyeballing at the moment?
Sellita SW200 and i Love it, I think that the famous "In House" is already overrated, the manufacturing/construction materials, polishing and brushing, etc. of each piece should also be valued.
Great watches. Thanks for those examples
Okay nothing against the movement itself, indeed I have it in this watch that I very much enjoy (bought pre-owned for way way under $2k).
And I do know that there are different grades based on regulated accuracy.
But when it also comes in the watch below and can currently be had for $230 for Jomashop then I think I would be needing something pretty special (precious metals?) to get much north of $1500. Never say never but I would be thinking long and hard.
And I am not knocking Invicta, I think they do some great value watches - this being one. But the pricing does I think put an anchor on my preparedness to pay handsomely more for this movement.
Agreed; valuable points. Thanks
Which watch are you eyeballing at the moment?
For example the Sinn 240
If a watch catches my attention for it’s design or it’s fit, finish and feel on the wrist, I’m likely to be pretty forgiving of the movement. At least the SW200 is durable, reliable, accurate and easily serviceable.
The movement is only one factor of the whole. At a certain price, the details of which version and it’s regulation come into play but the base movement wouldn’t be a disqualification for me.
Top version $700. Loving it!
In-house or bespoke movements can trigger significantly higher service costs. Is an owner of a 2k watch willing to pay that?
In-house or bespoke movements can trigger significantly higher service costs. Is an owner of a 2k watch willing to pay that?
Nice, excellent question 👍
IMHO, do not buy this movement unless top grade. Many samples I've tried had serious winding problems due to lack of lubrication. Even with lubrication the winding action is terrible.
It's gotten so bad that I've been thinking of taking it to my local watchmaker and seeing if he can do anything. I've watchmaker said it's due to the gasket used.
I now refuse to buy any watch with this movement. However, the ETA 2892-2 or derivative is excellent!
Imagine owning a Koenigsegg or Lamborghini, not realizing they have a Ford or Audi engine powering them. The craftsmanship and engineering is not only still top notch but easier to repair than brand that have less common, "in house" or "crafted" engines. Sellita is just a common engine that can be upgraded, tuned and decorated for an appropriate price point.
At this point it should be the SW300 with the larger power reserve or better yet a Lajoux Perret G100.
For 2k I'd be expecting at least to get the sw300. I didn't think the old tudors with eta's were bad at around 1.5k but 2k is pushing it a bit, 3k is where you really should be expecting more. There are exceptions though with brands like anordain.
Would I hope to see an SW300, preferably COSC certified, for about that price? Sure. Depends on the brand.
BUT sometimes we forget to see the watch in totality and get so caught up in the movement and other details that we miss the forest through the trees.
If the brand is using a more affordable, but totally adequate, movement is there something else about the watch that you love? Are you a flipper or a keeper? Will the movement even matter for the length of time you own it? Food for thought
Gorgeous view. Love that watch 👍
The other side, different band, obviously.😊
Understood. You should know, however, that there are four grades of SW200, the last of which is COSC certified. You won't find that in a 400€ watch.
For COSC Selita, you can get it around or less than 1800 in Formex.
IMHO, do not buy this movement unless top grade. Many samples I've tried had serious winding problems due to lack of lubrication. Even with lubrication the winding action is terrible.
It's gotten so bad that I've been thinking of taking it to my local watchmaker and seeing if he can do anything. I've watchmaker said it's due to the gasket used.
I now refuse to buy any watch with this movement. However, the ETA 2892-2 or derivative is excellent!
Thanks for sharing
Imagine owning a Koenigsegg or Lamborghini, not realizing they have a Ford or Audi engine powering them. The craftsmanship and engineering is not only still top notch but easier to repair than brand that have less common, "in house" or "crafted" engines. Sellita is just a common engine that can be upgraded, tuned and decorated for an appropriate price point.
I good example. In that case I’d buy the Lamborghini 🤩
At this point it should be the SW300 with the larger power reserve or better yet a Lajoux Perret G100.
Agreed 👍
Would I hope to see an SW300, preferably COSC certified, for about that price? Sure. Depends on the brand.
BUT sometimes we forget to see the watch in totality and get so caught up in the movement and other details that we miss the forest through the trees.
If the brand is using a more affordable, but totally adequate, movement is there something else about the watch that you love? Are you a flipper or a keeper? Will the movement even matter for the length of time you own it? Food for thought
Super good points, thanks for sharing. I’m definitely a keeper.
I have the SW200 in many of my watches. My Sinns and Hanharts run within COSC tolerances and my Aquis is very close. The only one I’m a bit disappointed in is the Christopher Ward Sealander as that one is about +17s/day. I’m considering getting it regulated but I’m cautious that is could invalidate the 5 year warranty.
I have the SW200 in many of my watches. My Sinns and Hanharts run within COSC tolerances and my Aquis is very close. The only one I’m a bit disappointed in is the Christopher Ward Sealander as that one is about +17s/day. I’m considering getting it regulated but I’m cautious that is could invalidate the 5 year warranty.
Thanks for sharing. The hanharts and Sinns have you measured them within COSC standards or did they come with COSC certification?
No not COSC.
Seems fair to me, but at a certain point part that (idk where), the SW300 / 2893-2 should be used and taken advantage of.