On the matter of Bremont....

Bremont evoke a wide range of reactions. I have two of them, for very different reasons. I have the Bamford S500, becasue I'm a Bamford fanboy and I like the color scheme. It's as shallow as that 馃榾

However, the Martin Baker has proven to be, by far and away, the toughest tool watch I own. It's been climbing, frozen (Greenland!), worn while competing in multiple multi-day desert races in Morocco, Tunisia and UAE (in 'Hermione', our Polaris XP1000, pictured - think 120Km/h sandblaster), used while drilling, cutting, felling and tile cutting, dropped, bashed, beaten and abused.

It still keeps time to within 6 seconds after 8 years, and although I swapped out the aluminium case ring (sandblasted!!), the steel case parts are, as yet, unmarked other than superficial scratches.聽

So, although Bremont evoke strong feelings - the MB does exactly what it says on the tin - extreme tool watch, and I love it.聽

I just wish they don't pretend to be very prestige with the prices.

I try to like them , but am often just not blown away by their stuff.

I think what you observe with Bremont is that a relatively small fraction of people have issues with somenof the things they did and how they marketed them. The issues that evoke the emotional responses are probably less quality related, no?

I don't really care either way, Bremont make some nice looking watches (and some not so much) in my opinion but none of them really does it for me, certainly not for the price. But that's subjective and if you enjoy yours it's neither a bad watch nor overpriced. After all, the most expensive things in life are those we don't enjoy.

Personally I cannot be upset about Bremont because I don think they did anything really terrible but I respect that others might feel differently.

I like some of their designs. That GMT is really nice looking IMHO. It's just the price. If I'm spending that kind of money, it's most likely going to be at an Omega store. That said, I've seen a few on the used market at very reasonable prices and I have been seriously tempted.聽

I looked at their range of models and my impression is that this is a company that still struggle with its brand image and identity. Maybe in a few years they will develop their own design language, focus on models that represent their ethos and have interesting stuff to show, something that is sadly lacking from their current offerings.

Droptuned83

I try to like them , but am often just not blown away by their stuff.

Agree with you and @Catskinner - they have a huge model range, and although there's some distinct themes, the implementation is mixed at best. I've been excited by their designs twice, and bought twice (although to be fair, the S500 is a Bamford design!).聽

Regardless of the rest of the range, I have the most profound respect for the mechanical and finish durability of the MB - it's impressive.

Great story annd well-earned patina on your MB. I think an individual watch can find a place in your life well out of proportion to what brand it is. Overall I think Bremont is too wide in their catalogue and many of their designs don鈥檛 do much for me. Looks like you have a couple of winners for you and that鈥檚 what it鈥檚 about.聽

I鈥檓 not offended by Bremont, and I鈥檓 always very amused by those that are. Marketing is marketing, it鈥檚 the Devil鈥榮 Dance, and if a young brand wants to stand out and wrestle for a piece of the 鈥減osh watch pie鈥 then they need to aim high and come out swinging. Don鈥檛 do a Tag cal.1887 though, even if it鈥檚 common or legit, don鈥檛 try and pass off as in-house if you are collab or remixing, some people will seemingly never forgive you. They are a lot more prevalent than they were, so something must be connecting with the market in order for high-end boutiques to carry them.

I am a fan of the Martin Baker, and whilst I am slightly annoyed I can鈥檛 get the 01 (never been ejected from a fighter plane, don鈥檛 qualify 馃槀) I am quite partial to the design. The Broadsword is a lovely watch as well. At the end of the day, it鈥檚 my money, it鈥檚 my wrist, it鈥檚 just a watch, if I buy one I don鈥檛 care what you think, I鈥檓 happy.

I've had the pleasure of attending the opening of Bremont's boutique in Manchester, and my impression is that Nick English (one of the co-founders) has a genuine passion for watches that is infectious. I was quite inspired by the brief discussion we had. I would have bought one, if it wasn't for my problematic wrist size.聽

I think their military inspired designs are top notch. It's clear they have an affinity with the armed services, and perhaps in my mind, that's where their design strength truly lies. However, they are significantly undercut by Hamilton's historic-military inspired offerings, so they must work to capture the imagination of the general public. Also it's hard to do that now the military all seem to wear G-Shocks, so a contemporary designed mechanical military watch is somewhat an anachronism.聽

With their new in-house movements, I think they definitely deserve a place in the watch industry. Have they carved their niche yet? I don't think so. But I wouldn't bet against them.聽

Strange how forgiving some of the community is towards a brand from the west but mis-aligned bezels/re-hauts from the east, with an actual in house movement and appropriate price tag, gets the devil鈥檚 whiplash 馃し馃徎鈥嶁檪锔

M.addd

Strange how forgiving some of the community is towards a brand from the west but mis-aligned bezels/re-hauts from the east, with an actual in house movement and appropriate price tag, gets the devil鈥檚 whiplash 馃し馃徎鈥嶁檪锔

Who is this aimed at? 馃榾

If it鈥檚 me I鈥榙 rather you called me out directly, especially since my views on Seiko are pretty-well documented, seemingly defend Bremont on the regular, and I鈥檓 an easy-target with my hands tied behind my back. I like to know who鈥檚 shooting at me. I do not believe they are fairly priced, as they have rocketed in value in recent years, and I also do not understand how they can make QC errors at certain price points. This isn鈥檛 a lone view, it鈥檚 been raised time and time again by others more forgiving and with bigger platforms. My love affair with the NH35 movement is also a recent thing, so I do appreciate Seiko Instruments contribution, and having started to get my hands dirty with modding and building I am incredibly grateful as to how easy this movement is to install.聽

And no鈥 I鈥檓 not anti-East, I鈥檓 a big fan of Citizen and the Eco-Drive, adore a number of Japanese microbrands, and I am particularly partial to a Chinese watch or two, even an homage. I was very positive towards Pagani Design in a recent post regarding my PD-1690. I鈥檓 also not a blind-fan of Western watches, my disdain for certain brands is well-known and gets me into a lot of hot water. I like to think I鈥檓 relatively well-rounded and grounded, but happy to let others think I鈥檓 not.

M.addd

Strange how forgiving some of the community is towards a brand from the west but mis-aligned bezels/re-hauts from the east, with an actual in house movement and appropriate price tag, gets the devil鈥檚 whiplash 馃し馃徎鈥嶁檪锔

It's the 21st century. We're able to land probes on distant meteors. We regularly manufacture integrated circuits to tiny tolerances and in huge volumes.聽

A mis-aligned bezel is unforgivable.聽

M.addd

Strange how forgiving some of the community is towards a brand from the west but mis-aligned bezels/re-hauts from the east, with an actual in house movement and appropriate price tag, gets the devil鈥檚 whiplash 馃し馃徎鈥嶁檪锔

I'm not sure what geography has to do with this and I can't speak for all the people but I count myself as one of the "forgivers" when it comes to Bremont. Did Bremont say things they would have better not, of course they did. Would I like it more if they hadn't, of course I would. Am I running around bashing Bremont. No, of course I'm not.

I don't have a Bremont but I bought a Seiko with my own money (so I can't really be hating Seiko, can I?). Is the minute ring misaligned, yes of course it is. Would I prefer it otherwise, yes of course I would. Am I running around bashing Seiko. No, of course I'm not.聽

Bremont, Seiko and all other brands are trying to make money. Ideally they want to maximise profit and one way to do it is to cut corners (Seiko) while others say stuff that is stretching the truth a little (or a lot) by telling stories that some might call lies and thereby justify charging more. To me that's totally normal and neither is a reason to complain (at least not to the extent some people do). Everybody does these things, some just get a bit carried away, Bremont with the stories and Seiko with cutting corners.

MegaBob

I'm not sure what geography has to do with this and I can't speak for all the people but I count myself as one of the "forgivers" when it comes to Bremont. Did Bremont say things they would have better not, of course they did. Would I like it more if they hadn't, of course I would. Am I running around bashing Bremont. No, of course I'm not.

I don't have a Bremont but I bought a Seiko with my own money (so I can't really be hating Seiko, can I?). Is the minute ring misaligned, yes of course it is. Would I prefer it otherwise, yes of course I would. Am I running around bashing Seiko. No, of course I'm not.聽

Bremont, Seiko and all other brands are trying to make money. Ideally they want to maximise profit and one way to do it is to cut corners (Seiko) while others say stuff that is stretching the truth a little (or a lot) by telling stories that some might call lies and thereby justify charging more. To me that's totally normal and neither is a reason to complain (at least not to the extent some people do). Everybody does these things, some just get a bit carried away, Bremont with the stories and Seiko with cutting corners.

just a general opinion from a long time observer/lurker on WC/Reddit/WUS. not a fan of bremont in the slightest, but also not the biggest fan of seiko either鈥 but comparing evils, at least i get to choose the right Seiko watch with the best alignments.聽

@Richierich it is the 21st century and we still have quartz haters. U cant win them all! 馃槀

M.addd

just a general opinion from a long time observer/lurker on WC/Reddit/WUS. not a fan of bremont in the slightest, but also not the biggest fan of seiko either鈥 but comparing evils, at least i get to choose the right Seiko watch with the best alignments.聽

@Richierich it is the 21st century and we still have quartz haters. U cant win them all! 馃槀

This thread wasn't about Seiko, was it? It wasn't about quartz, was it? It wasn't even about misaligned bezels, but you dragged that into the thread, too.聽

You might want to not drag your own insecurities into unrelated threads.