Homage or Original?

Hello fellow Watchcrunchers!

This is my first post and I am interested in your opinion about #homage watches.

Some time ago I fell in love with the #doxa  Sub 300T, but unfortunately due to the price it's not a watch I could buy anytime soon. While browsing, I came across the brand #seestern, which makes a homage #doxasub300t that costs only about a tenth of the original. After seeing some reviews in which the Seestern Version 3 was highly praised, I asked myself the following question:

What is it about watches and watch collecting that actually attracts me? Is it the watches themselves or is it certain brands?  

I have no connection to Doxa, so I ordered a Seestern at the beginning of January. Yesterday it arrived in my letterbox and I really have to say: I like it a lot! It is my first homage watch and sure, there are a few little things that are certainly better in the original, but all in all I like it!

But now to my actual question:

What do you think of homage watches? Do you have some and if yes, which ones and how do you like them?

Looking forward to your replies!

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I have two, both Pagani, both Seamaster styled. Because at the end of the day, it’s actually design styles and cues I like — which leads to me liking Omega. They are both just dissimilar enough to the ‘real’ one that I don’t feel fussed about accusations of fakery (though I don’t like the copy pasta ones so much, I do find some attitudes to them to be mean-spirited and usually ill-informed. People forget the existence of the era of ‘Swiss Fakes’ it seems, or many watch brands cribbing on their rise to the top) and they are likely at least a little more ‘Street Safe’ than ‘real’ luxury watches.

One thing in particular I like is the very fact there are differences -- sadly some homage fans complain about things being ‘wrong’ when really it’s those very differences that make them.

There’s plenty of photos of mine in my Gallery, and I doubt anyone could pick a whole watch they are a copy of, rather than simply sharing elements with my ‘grail’ watches.

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Thank you very much for your answer. You really made a lot of good points. For example, I don't like fakes that use the brand name and logo of the original. And yes, it is precisely the small differences that make the watch interesting and prove that it is a homage and not a 1:1 copy.

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Funny you should post this today. I just got this homage in the mail today from AliExpress. 

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I have no objection to homages. I have a number of them in my collection, including the Rangemaster.

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I agree with the points made by @JaimeMadeira about homages taking cues versus being straight copies, or clomages if you will. It is easy to see the influences on the Rangemaster design, but it is not exactly like either the Explorer or the Ranger. Early on, I did get an Invicta Pro Diver, but it never became a favorite like the Rangemaster has, probably because it had no character of its own.

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DigitalDivider

Funny you should post this today. I just got this homage in the mail today from AliExpress. 

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I have no objection to homages. I have a number of them in my collection, including the Rangemaster.

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I agree with the points made by @JaimeMadeira about homages taking cues versus being straight copies, or clomages if you will. It is easy to see the influences on the Rangemaster design, but it is not exactly like either the Explorer or the Ranger. Early on, I did get an Invicta Pro Diver, but it never became a favorite like the Rangemaster has, probably because it had no character of its own.

I just saw your post and yes, your watch realy looks nice. I appreciate your words and it's good to see that there are people that are likeminded. I don't know why, but I had realy guilty feelings prior ordering the watch and it felt a bit like cheating. I thought that if I can't afford the original then I simply can not have it. But at the end of the day it is a watch and it should make me happy. 

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I have a few in my boxes and honestly I think most enthusiasts have one or more in thier boxes. 

All I can say don't let other opinions dictate what you like. If it meets your specs and price and you like or love it buy it. 

Enjoy the watch!

Cheers!

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jcwatch

I have a few in my boxes and honestly I think most enthusiasts have one or more in thier boxes. 

All I can say don't let other opinions dictate what you like. If it meets your specs and price and you like or love it buy it. 

Enjoy the watch!

Cheers!

Thanks mate! I think you are 💯% right!

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There are watches, and specific models, that no-one, and I do mean no-one, is going to lay hands on in an as-new, or even reliably working manner. What else does that leave but homages? One way or another? Whether it’s got Tudor written on the dial or Pagani. After that, all the quibbles are basically about money and status. 
I may not be big on ‘clomage’ but I certainly don‘t have anything against them.

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here’s something that puts an historical spin on ‘Swiss Made’:

https://mb.nawcc.org/wiki/Encyclopedia-Subjects/European-Pocket-Watches/Swiss-Fake

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JaimeMadeira

There are watches, and specific models, that no-one, and I do mean no-one, is going to lay hands on in an as-new, or even reliably working manner. What else does that leave but homages? One way or another? Whether it’s got Tudor written on the dial or Pagani. After that, all the quibbles are basically about money and status. 
I may not be big on ‘clomage’ but I certainly don‘t have anything against them.

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here’s something that puts an historical spin on ‘Swiss Made’:

https://mb.nawcc.org/wiki/Encyclopedia-Subjects/European-Pocket-Watches/Swiss-Fake

Yes, you are right about that. The price of some watches is so astronomically high that only a few can enjoy them. That feels a bit unfair when you think about it.

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Bjoern

Yes, you are right about that. The price of some watches is so astronomically high that only a few can enjoy them. That feels a bit unfair when you think about it.

It’s ultimately just supply and demand, which means fairness doesn’t entirely factor in, but what it does mean is that ultimately the ‘homage’ debate creeps its way practically even to the more luxury brands — the Submariner even borrowed its name from another watch after all.

When I wear my Pagani, I am not thinking it’s an Omega, nor suggesting to anyone that it is an Omega (certainly no more than anyone sticking one of the Bond colourways Nato straps on their diver of choice is at any rate)

Its not unfair that Seamasters are currently out of my spending range, that is just life, but it is daft to suggest that I shouldn’t therefore find something in my range that has elements of design that I like on the Seamaster, as though that is in some way dishonest. To an extent the same is true for the manufacturers — within reason. It’s all about honesty at the end of the day.

And even saying that… it looks like Steeldive make a better Willard than Seiko these days. 

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Honestly...I do not respect Copy Cats and I do not accept them as watch makers, but I do respect the owner.

For me in watch collection it is not about the watch. It's about the story behind.

And if your story is about the love to a certain design or brand which is unreachable, so why should I judge your joy on this watch.

Even I don't like copy brands but I'm glad they exist so that everybody can live his passion in his own way.

So enjoy your passion.

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JaimeMadeira

It’s ultimately just supply and demand, which means fairness doesn’t entirely factor in, but what it does mean is that ultimately the ‘homage’ debate creeps its way practically even to the more luxury brands — the Submariner even borrowed its name from another watch after all.

When I wear my Pagani, I am not thinking it’s an Omega, nor suggesting to anyone that it is an Omega (certainly no more than anyone sticking one of the Bond colourways Nato straps on their diver of choice is at any rate)

Its not unfair that Seamasters are currently out of my spending range, that is just life, but it is daft to suggest that I shouldn’t therefore find something in my range that has elements of design that I like on the Seamaster, as though that is in some way dishonest. To an extent the same is true for the manufacturers — within reason. It’s all about honesty at the end of the day.

And even saying that… it looks like Steeldive make a better Willard than Seiko these days. 

You hit the nail on the head!

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I don't own any homages ( unless you argue that my Orient Ray 2 or Casio duro are Submariner homages!)

I actually like the idea of an attainable homage to originals that are very rare and/or unaffordable because they went out of production years ago. For that reason I will at some point be buying something from Steinhart. Proper quality pieces that are clearly homages yet are affordable and have their own fan base as a result.

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Guvnor64

I don't own any homages ( unless you argue that my Orient Ray 2 or Casio duro are Submariner homages!)

I actually like the idea of an attainable homage to originals that are very rare and/or unaffordable because they went out of production years ago. For that reason I will at some point be buying something from Steinhart. Proper quality pieces that are clearly homages yet are affordable and have their own fan base as a result.

Handy things.

Chose my son a Skmei G-Shock homage, because there’s no point dropping 80-100 quid on something he may not wear, but this way he has a watch that’s very very similar to Daddy‘s. Except Daddy’s doesn’t come in cool army camo, and it doesn’t change light colour. I mean sure, it can 200m underwater and tell the time in other countries, but what use is that? Glowing Blue is where it’s at.

And people pay 10k for a Blancpain homage that got the bezel numbers wrong on the regular ;) 

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I mean, which is better for the then-under-ten? I am not sure the Skmei doesn’t look cooler than my GD350. His other not-a-G even changes colour. He graduated to a proper Casio Royale this year, maybe I should get the homage this time. (Grabbed photos from Amazon for the Skmei, as it is late, can’t get his actual watch to hand.) 

Homages are useful things.

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I really like them. I prefer the homages that don’t look like clones personally. I remember just feeling wrong wearing a Pagani Daytona. But for example I have a homage to the Vacheron Constantin 1921, but it has a lot of different design cues. I’ve had that watch the longest.