I just don't get it. Seiko has spring drive movement watches priced at $5k, why would I buy a Grand Seiko for $9k with the same movement? On top of that limited edition with similar dial colors and case design. I understand having a value brand that attracts lower end customers, but Seiko creeping into Grand Seiko territory is just a dumb idea. I have 4 Grand Seiko in my collection, if Seiko keeps eroding any value it built in Grand Seiko I think its time to stop collecting Grand Seiko.