No box or papers

Depends on the seller

Depends what it is, how much it's going to cost, is it a reputable seller, what is the age, etc ..

For example a new Snoopy Omega with no box & papers from a geezer in a pub then run a mile, but an old Seiko limited edition from 20 years ago at a decent price I'd snap up...

Depends totally on the seller, private? Not really

but from a reputable shop, yes

I really don't need box tho

I'd be ok with it if I'm confident that I'll be keeping it. If there were a decent chance is resell it I would want the full kit.

No probs buying without papers as long as I trust the seller.l did this, then sent it off to be serviced,came back with a new 2yr guarantee,the watch was also cheaper minus the original papers

Depends on what it was, depends on its age, depends on the seller, depends on the price, depends on my future intentions for it. Common sense stuff. No one size answer can fit all possibilities.

Fake box and papers sell right along side the fake watches but ship separately from the watches to pass customs. You can get the special Submariner that has a second hand that momentarily stops at each little marker to highlight the accuracy. You can tell its legit by the sticker on the back.

If I like it, yes. I’m not wearing the box as a hat now am I?

Assuming authenticity isn't an issue, make sure it's worth the compromise compared to similar watches on the market with boxes/warranty cards. The doubts/concerns you have today will be the same as potential buyers of this watch if you plan to sell it. Try to get some history (how did the current owner buy it, any invoice copies, etc).

An authenticity certificate, a service receipt and/or a second hand box can definitely, but they will cost you. So think long term if you're going to die with it or if you'll likely switch it out in a few years time.

Absolutely, but it depends on the situation. Anything more than 15 years old a box and papers is a bonus not a requirement. Is it newer piece but priced appropriately for missing bits? Sure. Is it on Craigslist? Probably not.

I agree with most. It's all about researching the seller and whether you can trust their reputation. I walked away from a rolex explorer because they didn't have Bix or papers and I didn't feel nit was worth the risk. Damn I want an explorer!

I'd rather not have the box.

Really mate

this is how my studio room looks like, and it's not even half of those damn boxes, it's just the biggest ones. I also have a pedal collection, so my drawer is full of boxes. I also have my shoes. I also have watches. Welcome to my life, living in the warehouse. But the problem here - good luck selling something without the corresponding box. For some unknown reason, the box somehow defines the value of a thing in it. I would literally pay you more to send me your watch in a bubble wrap. At least I can use it as an anti-stress.

Keep the box mate. I don't want it.

UPD: Papers are okay. I don't want it either, but at least they are not cluttering everything around them.

If it is real, why not

urrghh I hate boxes.

We, as a human civilisation should come up with something new packaging wise. I don't know. An edible box made of waffle or ginger cookie. This would be sweet.

What are your plans with the box and papers? I prefer them without as somehow watches tend to be cheaper if that's missing. Which is good. I like papers that have Euro symbols on them more than warranty papers for a watch...

Depends on the watch

I would have said go ahead if it is from a reliable source but the limited edition made me rethink my answer. I have purchased many preowned pieces but only from a couple of sources. Authenticity is a must but I would always be conscious of future value. With the box and papers, it will not hold value as well. If it is priced at a discount becaus if not having the B&P’s, then maybe.

Depending on how good of a deal, maybe

If the buyer's important questions are addressed from the seller and/or research, YES.

If it’s an affordable watch - sure! If it’s a luxury watch… I’d ask to have it verified by a third party watch maker before pulling the trigger

So many factors would go into that decision. #1 factor would be the reputation of the seller. I'd also expect to pay a bit less.

It really depends for me. For example I bought my Breguet from a watchmaker I know and trust without the box and original papers but with a certificate of authenticity. In that case it was enough for me because that was a purchase I thought about for a very long time and I was sure I wanted that watch for myself and that I would keep it for a long time. So I ended up paying less than half of the 21k retail for the watch in brand new condition without box and papers and it was 100% worth it for me. I‘m sure it would be a bit harder to sell but I luckily know the right people so if I really had to I could still sell it pretty quickly.

Just decide from case to case ;)

It depends on the watch! It would have to be very old and very rare. 🧐😳🤩😍💸

No box, no papers…

…No stress, no seeds, no stems, no sticks! Some of that real sticky-icky-icky Ooh wee! Put it on the wrist!

It depends on the seller

Actually I know I'm missing the point but there are no accurate replicas of the omega speedmaster anywhere in the world. If it looks exactly like an omega speedmaster it is one.

I know for a few years a company was assembling Omegas from all genuine parts, it's a long running debate if these are fake or not. But as for fakes that look like the real deal, there aren't any.

Genuinely shocked, but now you've pointed it out I've not come across a replica speedy.. maybe it costs too much to fake?

Worth knowing that, thank you 👍🏻

Yeah, they can't replicate the movement, there is nothing out there that has the same spacing.

I actually went looking for one to wear as I had an accident with mine and I've decided not to wear it out anymore.

Turns out I got a huge education in the rep world. (Which I'd like to add isn't the dark horrible place people make it out to be.)

I've actually had a high end rep, I bought it to compare with the real thing and I can tell you it is scarily close. A z factory Tudor black bay. Can you tell it's fake when it's in your hand, well this is the thing, if you have the genuine watch beside it there are small differences, dial texture, length of the crown tube and a few other minute differences. But... And this is a big but, if you had never handled a black bay before, I handed you both and told you one is genuine one is fake, and asked you to tell me 'which one is the fake?', you would be guessing.

Every replica watch that has been made has its tells, you just have to research them, if you do the research it makes buying a used watch without papers a lot easier.

The community I belong to are a very friendly bunch, they will also be able to spot a rep from a picture, so if buying a watch without papers I will post the images and they can confirm genuine or fake. It makes a huge difference having a few hundred educated people have a look at something before you buy.

Edit to add: the rep community I am part of spend thousands of hours a week reporting people selling counterfeit watches to eBay, gumtree, Craigslist and other watch forums. The aim is not to pass off fakes as real watches. Rather it is to learn all the differences between real and fake for every model.

yeah, this is a great idea!

Fascinating, thank you. Yes I've heard that some are very good - some fake Panerai weren't even spotted by Panerai themselves!! Very interesting, Cheers mate 👊🏼