Things you can't say....
... to brand fans. No brand is perfect. Every brand has its kryptonite, and for those who take it all too seriously and are too deeply invested, things can get a little heated. Let's burst some bubbles.
I'll start...
You can't say, "it's a quartz" to Spring Drive fans
You can't say, "it's not a Rolex" to Tudor or Omega fans
You can't say, "there's no lume" to Grand Seiko fans
You can't say, "bezels don't align" to Seiko fans
You can't say, "it looks like a toy" to Richard Mille fans
Anyone got any more?
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I got my first mechanical watch in 1976 as a boy. I broke it within a year (over wound it). Then after many Casio years, I rediscovered mechanical watches. Still have a couple of quartz watches, thoug...
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Ha! Yo dawg, you can say, "there's no lume" to me about my GS'es. And it's because THERE IS NO LUME! Here's a shot of the SBGW289 in the dark:
But, the only reason that people say, "there's no lume" about GS, is because everyone HATES the GS sports models, which have TONS of lume - better lume than any Swiss watches I've previously owned!
But, quite honestly, I hope the GS Sports models never catch on. It just means that I'm able to get them on the secondary market for absolutely insane discounts off MSRP!
I've got another...
You can't say, "it's a Daytona homage" to Zenith Chronomaster Sport fans
Weird everyone says it to me all the time??!! Yo! Your Seiko watch bezel is not aligned!! …
Haters are just jealous motherTruckers!!
Ha! Yo dawg, you can say, "there's no lume" to me about my GS'es. And it's because THERE IS NO LUME! Here's a shot of the SBGW289 in the dark:
But, the only reason that people say, "there's no lume" about GS, is because everyone HATES the GS sports models, which have TONS of lume - better lume than any Swiss watches I've previously owned!
But, quite honestly, I hope the GS Sports models never catch on. It just means that I'm able to get them on the secondary market for absolutely insane discounts off MSRP!
Can't argue with that.
One more....
You can't say, "you paid too much for that" to Hublot fans
"It's a fashion watch" to Cartier fans.
And you can't say that hublot looks beautiful to the 99.9999999% of us that don't own one
You can't say, "it was built by kids in sweat shops" to Apple watch fans.
You can't say "the moonSwatch is good publicity" to Speedmaster fans.
You can’t say ”rolex is just marketing” to Rolex fans.
You can’t say “the F91W is overrated” to digital fans.
You can’t say “g-shocks are ugly” to g-shock fans.
“But they sell them on Jomashop” -Breitling
”Is that a Seiko” - Citizen
”So it’s like plastic?” - Moonswatch
”But they supplied the Nazi’s” - JLC
"it never needs a battery" - Citizen Eco-Drive fans
You can't say, "it's a monstrous carbuncle" to Seamaster 300M and Planet Ocean fans
You can't say
"Is that a homage of a Steinhart?"
to a Rolex fan ( always raises a smile, sometimes raises a fist!)
You can't say "my 30€ mall watch gives the time more accurately than yours" to anyone with a mechanical watch that costs more than 30€
Apparently we cant say in house movements are better than ETA whatever 😂
another one; “that dial looks rotten” to vintage collectors
it depends on a lot of factors, but if you bought an in-house movement at 1.5x the price of an ETA2824/2 and it performed the same (or heaven forbid slightly worse) what would you think. Then factor in the fact that only that brand will service it as they have bespoke parts rather than ETA off the shelf… what would give you more of a headache. Then go 10 years down the line and it’s discontinued, 25 and it’s now vintage and you need to find a donor, 50 and your progeny inherit it… I’m not trying to be difficult, just trying to show why you need to be aware that in- house does not mean better. If this makes me more of a pariah than I already am, so be it.
and patina is important, but yes, some dials look like shite, but you learn to embrace them.
it depends on a lot of factors, but if you bought an in-house movement at 1.5x the price of an ETA2824/2 and it performed the same (or heaven forbid slightly worse) what would you think. Then factor in the fact that only that brand will service it as they have bespoke parts rather than ETA off the shelf… what would give you more of a headache. Then go 10 years down the line and it’s discontinued, 25 and it’s now vintage and you need to find a donor, 50 and your progeny inherit it… I’m not trying to be difficult, just trying to show why you need to be aware that in- house does not mean better. If this makes me more of a pariah than I already am, so be it.
and patina is important, but yes, some dials look like shite, but you learn to embrace them.
😂 grab a choice of bevvy and simmer down, it’s just watches and chockfull of banter on WC. This isnt reddit, dont think anyones calling you a pariah to participate 😘
… although i do have experience 2824 performing worse than Seiko 5s…….
back to the topic: “are you sure the dial isn’t repainted?” To vintage omega enthusiast
”thats a quartz movement, right?” to panerai base
You look at skeleton watch owner and say “ how do you read time on this?”. Same is true for expensive F.P. Journe
Seriously why would they need lume. Do they sleep with their GS on their wrist? Don't they have their smartphones for time also?
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You know, I really do think that there's a major difference in aesthetic and overall philosophy. I remember seeing some chart that showed that most Swiss watches that are bought are sports watches. So, somehow, luxury watch buyers just expect all luxury watches to be like Rolex, where everything is always lumed. And the only exception we allow for that, in our minds, is for watches that are very clearly delicate dress watches.
And, GS breaks that convention. The Heritage models are obviously very sporty, with 100M WR, but they're designed to be very dressy - and it's this line that seems to have captured the buying public's attention. So, I guess folks just expect them to have lume... like all Rolexes!
It‘s incredibly tiresome to see it constantly being brought up. Poor wording and overzealous marketing is to blame for what is effectively common industry practice and a storm in a teacup. They bought the rights/patent for the Seiko movement in question, but then developed it further to fit their criteria for their watch - there was a fair amount of engineering and development on top of what was a very impressive movement already, it’s not like they added damaskeening and scratched off “Seiko” and a serial number and went ”done”, print, ship. It really doesn’t matter at the end of the day, if you buy the rights to something you can do what you want with it, it’s yours. Most automatic movements are based upon certain principles, and the obsession that “in-house” means “better regardless” is just not correct. If the ETA and Sellita movements were so poor, why are many low/mid-tier “luxury” (ugh…) watches filled with them? Saying that, the base of the Ressence Type 3 is an ETA2824/2, albeit with the additional bells and whistle above that, so I will just leave that one hanging in the air.
The original comment was in jest but thank you for the reply, I learned a lot. I guess regardless of the story, most people are trying to take a dig that a luxury Swiss brand went to Seiko for their movement. Honestly I wouldn't have minded if Tag really did use stock Seiko movements.
That being said, I am also very dis-illusioned by "in-house" movements. They're mostly now, just marketing buzz words for brands to increase prices.
On that note, I guess you shouldn't talk about movements with a Bremont owner. 😂
You can't say to a british guy that Rolex is 100% Swiss
You can't say to a british guy that Rolex is 100% Swiss
Don't get that one, you're going to have to explain.
You can’t tell a Vostok owner that his watch is just so damn ugly.
You can’t tell an Invicta owner “No it’s not the same as a Rolex but at 5% of the cost.”
Don't get that one, you're going to have to explain.
Rolex was founded in London in 1905 and some British are very patriot about it.
Rolex was founded in London in 1905 and some British are very patriot about it.
Oh, I get it. Funnily enough, I've not heard/seen anyone trying to claim Rolex as British. The clue is in the name of the founder. He was an anglophile, though.
You can't say its a Foelex to a Rolex fan.
A phone devotee saying "What's the point?" to any watch wearer. That's when you start to explain / defend the history, engineering, the exquisite mechanism, etc, etc, as their eyes glaze over and you suddenly realize you are wasting your time.
Ha! Yo dawg, you can say, "there's no lume" to me about my GS'es. And it's because THERE IS NO LUME! Here's a shot of the SBGW289 in the dark:
But, the only reason that people say, "there's no lume" about GS, is because everyone HATES the GS sports models, which have TONS of lume - better lume than any Swiss watches I've previously owned!
But, quite honestly, I hope the GS Sports models never catch on. It just means that I'm able to get them on the secondary market for absolutely insane discounts off MSRP!
Serious lume on my GS as well
it depends on a lot of factors, but if you bought an in-house movement at 1.5x the price of an ETA2824/2 and it performed the same (or heaven forbid slightly worse) what would you think. Then factor in the fact that only that brand will service it as they have bespoke parts rather than ETA off the shelf… what would give you more of a headache. Then go 10 years down the line and it’s discontinued, 25 and it’s now vintage and you need to find a donor, 50 and your progeny inherit it… I’m not trying to be difficult, just trying to show why you need to be aware that in- house does not mean better. If this makes me more of a pariah than I already am, so be it.
and patina is important, but yes, some dials look like shite, but you learn to embrace them.
I don't have much knowledge or experience but it seems to me Orient I house movements seem a cur above other makes at the various price points in terms of accuracy and especially value foe money?