Well I never thought I'd end up feeling this way, I started my watch journey with this brand and I definitely still love their vintage stuff. But sorry seiko your asking too much money for the value were getting. You may want to go up market well thats fine but make watches that live up to that standard with a QC that matches the quality of the price. I think seiko have shot them selves in the foot, especially when citizen can build a similar watch for half the money with better QC. What do people think? I.m not anti seiko as I use to be a seiko fan boy,just interesting to see what people think. Personally I don't think you get value for money and QC is crap.