One good thing and one bad thing about the Swatch X Blancpain 50 Fathoms

So after wearing for over a day - a couple of observations. A positive and a negative.

The sistem 51 movement has kept time - to the second! More accurate than any of my luxury watches. Sort of argues against people who say “you can get a seiko for that money” as the worst experiences I have had for reliability have been cheap seikos. Whatever swatch are doing with these clever movements is working.

On the negative side - the greater thickness makes it more evidently plastic that the slimmer moonswatch.

Quite a mismatch - a plasticky watch that tells super accurate time mechanically!

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Thanks for your updates - you know it’s weird , the blancpain has me looking at Swatch Scuba Libre 200 ‘s again

I may give one a go until Blancpain stock returns

Have you seen this yet ?

https://youtu.be/l1kbkOr1i_4?si=JwIIuCBZ6v_QI387

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Mazzerooni

Thanks for your updates - you know it’s weird , the blancpain has me looking at Swatch Scuba Libre 200 ‘s again

I may give one a go until Blancpain stock returns

Have you seen this yet ?

https://youtu.be/l1kbkOr1i_4?si=JwIIuCBZ6v_QI387

I have not I’ll check it out

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What’s weird is that I brought out the original Sistem51 to the local meetup and everyone thought it was great. I think they were kind and too polite to say otherwise 🤣

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Mazzerooni

Thanks for your updates - you know it’s weird , the blancpain has me looking at Swatch Scuba Libre 200 ‘s again

I may give one a go until Blancpain stock returns

Have you seen this yet ?

https://youtu.be/l1kbkOr1i_4?si=JwIIuCBZ6v_QI387

I watched it and honestly it made me like the collab more than I would have thought

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Like the colours don’t like the trip to another country to buy one

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You can get a cheap Seiko movement regulated within COSC in 15 min if you're willing to do it yourself, or give $20 to your local watchmaker to do it... I genuinely do not understand people who complain about movement accuracy yet do nothing about it or do not realize how cheap it is to regulate relative to the cost of the watch. 🤔

Sistem51 movements have a reported life expectancy of 2-5 years and can't be serviced. Now compare that to $30 Seiko movements that have been running for the past 30 years and more.

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Beanna

You can get a cheap Seiko movement regulated within COSC in 15 min if you're willing to do it yourself, or give $20 to your local watchmaker to do it... I genuinely do not understand people who complain about movement accuracy yet do nothing about it or do not realize how cheap it is to regulate relative to the cost of the watch. 🤔

Sistem51 movements have a reported life expectancy of 2-5 years and can't be serviced. Now compare that to $30 Seiko movements that have been running for the past 30 years and more.

Just saying.. real life experience of this - it works perfectly out the box.. real life experience of basic seiko - no such luck.

My point isn’t that seiko is crap and can’t be regulated. I’ve bought and owned many a seiko.

My point is - for all the hate this movements been getting - it’s damn impressive.

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All good on both fronts

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As it turns out, the movement is serviceable here, or at least replaceable. Swatch didn't seal this one up permanently like they typically do.

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I'd rather have the watch for the lowest price possible and regulate it myself, thanks. So far my Seikos have run at -4, +3, +4, and +11 (average of 6 positions) out of the box with no alignment issue whatsoever, so there is nothing to complain about. All it took was a toothpick to bring down that +11s 7S to +5 in less time than it took to find my caseback tool.

But the loud minority won't forget to remind you every day how bad things are because they heard it from YouTuber XYZ. 😉

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dswrist

As it turns out, the movement is serviceable here, or at least replaceable. Swatch didn't seal this one up permanently like they typically do.

Replaceable but not serviceable due to its construction.

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"My point is - for all the hate this movements been getting - it’s damn impressive."

One day isn't long enough to make such a broad claim on accuracy over time. Wear it for a week and get back to us.

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Good to hear.

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Looks awful, sorry,..far too big.

Something a 14yr old girl would wear

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That’s why I’m moving to quartz!

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These movements can be replaced tho apparently

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The movement should not bother anyone as Swatch gets their movements from ETA. The acrylic crystal should get a pass if Omega can use that on their expensive watches. The only irritating thing to me is the price for them at double the cost of any System 51 watch they sell. Swatch is carved into the sides of them so they only resemble the 50 fathoms.

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Mazzerooni

Thanks for your updates - you know it’s weird , the blancpain has me looking at Swatch Scuba Libre 200 ‘s again

I may give one a go until Blancpain stock returns

Have you seen this yet ?

https://youtu.be/l1kbkOr1i_4?si=JwIIuCBZ6v_QI387

Thanks for sharing the video! Another YouTuber to watch (pun intended.) 😉👍🏻

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Surprisingly, Chris says these movements can be serviced because the caseback is open-able. Also, I agree with everything he says here. It’s a bit pricey, but it’s good.

https://youtu.be/m6aD9iwPjhU?si=mkCVgET9xvQSh1Ia

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It’s beautiful, enjoy the watch!

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pk_son

Surprisingly, Chris says these movements can be serviced because the caseback is open-able. Also, I agree with everything he says here. It’s a bit pricey, but it’s good.

https://youtu.be/m6aD9iwPjhU?si=mkCVgET9xvQSh1Ia

And Federico was so negative to the point of spending time criticizing the 91m water resistance until someone in the comments reminded him that 91m = 50 fathoms…

https://youtu.be/t4Omu_jaDjI?si=TQoBNpPzspbKdTFp

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cota123

And Federico was so negative to the point of spending time criticizing the 91m water resistance until someone in the comments reminded him that 91m = 50 fathoms…

https://youtu.be/t4Omu_jaDjI?si=TQoBNpPzspbKdTFp

That’s hilarious haha the BxS is banned from the “divers watch” group on fb because it’s “only 91m” and their rules are watches with 100+m WR. And then I see people posting about the digital prx in the same group. Like gimme a break.

It’s so hard for people to allow others to enjoy things.

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Nice! How does it wear?

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tykwell

Nice! How does it wear?

Comfortably and looks good even on small wrist.

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While I generally agree that Seiko is a better purchase than Swatch Sistem 51 watch (unless you deliberately want to buy it), it freaks me out that people use sentence "COSC standards" as a synonym to "keeps good time on your hand". COSC regulation is not very easy to achieve, keeping in mind that COSC implies accurate time keeping AND stability. I had Seiko movement running on my hand +7 seconds a day (almost "COSC", eh?). The problem is that one of position differences was insane (more than 25 seconds, if I recall correctly). So in one position it was too fast, in the opposite - too slow. On my hand they compensated each other, but if I accidentally leave my watch on the table in wrong position, the movement would lose time or go too fast. Also, "chronometer grade movement" is not just a marketing term, you actually need a good movement to keep stability over different temperatures and with different amount of power reserve.

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KristianG

Alternatively, lots of people have actual experience with Seiko movements being at the outer edges of the acceptable accuracy window, and tell people about it...

Just because you haven't had a particular issue int he watches you own does not mean the issues don't exist.

I have multiple SW200s and haven't had any issues, but I know that sticking rotors due to the hand wind mechanism are not super uncommon. I don't go into every post and try to tell people the issues they have experienced with the SW200 aren't real or valid because I haven't had any issues with mine.

I never said it's impossible to end up with a Seiko at +25s out of the box. I'm merely pointing out the irony of complaining about it online when regulating a movement is so cheap.

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looks awesome!

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I said my point isn’t that seiko can’t be regulated..

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Frankly, I'd rather see every luxury brand release their watches with a boring NH that I can regulate and service myself, or worst case scenario swap for $35, than this trend to make more in-house movements as if that was a metric of quality compared to off-the-shelf ETA or Sellita ones (it's not always), only to be forced to cough up $600 when I need a basic cleaning of the movement. Are in-house movements really something we should celebrate when it looks more like a cash grab?

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Beanna

You can get a cheap Seiko movement regulated within COSC in 15 min if you're willing to do it yourself, or give $20 to your local watchmaker to do it... I genuinely do not understand people who complain about movement accuracy yet do nothing about it or do not realize how cheap it is to regulate relative to the cost of the watch. 🤔

Sistem51 movements have a reported life expectancy of 2-5 years and can't be serviced. Now compare that to $30 Seiko movements that have been running for the past 30 years and more.

i have an attachment problem, with my watches, with my box cutters, with my belts, with my freaking thermos bottles, never once did I return something that I've used, and created a connection with. but my Seiko is the only watch I couldn't be happier to get rid of. the freaking thing was never on time. it made me mad, the watchmaker said, after multiple repairs, that maybe it's something that I'm doing, maybe I'm playing tennis or something. like, I'm not, I don't play tennis, and if a freaking watch is not going to be moderately accurate, because I wear it on my wrist, keep it and give me my money back.