Does your "Temperament" influence how much you enjoy different timepieces?

Fun exercise anyone?  Pick your top 2 characteristics (if you lie it's only really you lying to yourself), do you see a correlation between your favorite watch(es) and your chosen traits?

Because it's Sunday, and this is more fun than my Linux homework, my mind naturally has wandered off to the deep recesses of my brain where the concepts of focus and usefulness have never been introduced.  This lead me down the path of mental heuristics I'm about to describe in this post, so buckle up! 

I am drawn towards simple watches.  I recently purchased the Tudor Ranger.

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I don't own a chronograph as I have never been drawn to them.  I have near a dozen watches ranging in price and quality from when I started collecting about 15 years ago, and none of them have a complication more....complicated.... than a date.  Well, maybe my JLC Reverso DuoFace could be considered a travel time watch, but still, per face, nothing more visually complicated than a simple three hander.  

My first "real" (to me) watch was a quartz Movado I bought while on vacation in the Virgin Islands in 2008.

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It doesn't get much more simple than this, not even any hour markers or a minute track.  And that is precisely why I loved/love it.  Simple is very calming for me, and as someone whose mind never turns off, I think I crave calm whenever and wherever I can get it.  That is always my desired state, but rarely my actual state :-)  

So I got to thinking, does personality type influence what we watch nerds crave in a timepiece? I know there are a lot of rubrics from which to evaluate one's self, and not all are created equally, but it's my post and my brain is fixated on the 4 temperaments, so here we go.  

If I had to pick two of what I believe to be my most dominant traits from the provided chart I think thoughtful/anxious (these tend to be a fluid state for me) and impulsive stand out the most.  Many people around me would agree.  Because that is my natural state, I think complications like a three subdial chronograph, skeletonized movements, overly ornate designs, or even numerals on a minute track, I find distracting, which reduces the enjoyment I feel when looking at and wearing timepieces like those.  

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely appreciate them and think they are marvels.  I mean, @HotWatchChick69's new GS is a great example of a time piece I find to be just gorgeous, and I watch Youtube reviews on pieces like that pretty often, but I don't know that I would ever purchase a piece so "involved".  I think if I bought something like that, I would admire the craftsmanship, but I doubt I'd wear it that often.  

What say you WatchCrunchers? 

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Me:

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I've done the MBTI and like 18 other personality test things, always for work!  Like, literally, one time, I got rejected from a cool role, because I guess I failed the personality diagnostic!  I also once lost out on an opportunity to mate with another human being, because I failed the "dog person / cat person" test!

Given all that, the only personality test I truly believe in with all my heart is Chuck Klosterman's "23 questions I ask everyone I meet to decide if I can really love them."  

https://eigenblogger.com/2017/09/17/23-questions-i-ask-everybody-i-meet-in-order-to-decide-if-i-can-really-love-them/

How you answer these questions predicts with 100% accuracy which watch you will love most.

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UnholiestJedi

Me:

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All of the emotions?  I see you.  

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Mr.Dee.Bater

I've done the MBTI and like 18 other personality test things, always for work!  Like, literally, one time, I got rejected from a cool role, because I guess I failed the personality diagnostic!  I also once lost out on an opportunity to mate with another human being, because I failed the "dog person / cat person" test!

Given all that, the only personality test I truly believe in with all my heart is Chuck Klosterman's "23 questions I ask everyone I meet to decide if I can really love them."  

https://eigenblogger.com/2017/09/17/23-questions-i-ask-everybody-i-meet-in-order-to-decide-if-i-can-really-love-them/

How you answer these questions predicts with 100% accuracy which watch you will love most.

Very good, very good.  I shall read your article.  But.....stay with me here, did you read my post and will you be participating?  

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BigIona

All of the emotions?  I see you.  

Really all that means is I'm a basket case & all over the place, which is reflected in my collection & desired watches. 

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UnholiestJedi

Really all that means is I'm a basket case & all over the place, which is reflected in my collection & desired watches. 

Same.  I feel like I should have to do a self assessment to determine my mental state before making a purchase.  But then I wouldn't have any watches, so where is the fun in that.  

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go do your homework lazy bum! 
 

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Ichibunz

go do your homework lazy bum! 
 

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Can't say I expected to hear that comment in my 40s.  

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BigIona

Very good, very good.  I shall read your article.  But.....stay with me here, did you read my post and will you be participating?  

Impulsive and principled...  which would explain the fact that I went from 1 watch to like 30 in less than 12 months, and then that all got pared down to just GS...  on principle!  Ha!

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BigIona

Can't say I expected to hear that comment in my 40s.  

haha!! Brings you back huh! 🍻 ok ok…since you need a break lets play this crazy psycho analysis…

exhibitionist…i don’t think i need to explain…

playful…i don’t want to take life seriously …

i do like colorful and and playful dials…

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Impulsive and principled...  which would explain the fact that I went from 1 watch to like 30 in less than 12 months, and then that all got pared down to just GS...  on principle!  Ha!

Twinsies!!

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Impulsive and hopeful - I am always the last holdout to accept bad news for what it is, but I am kind of glad to say that luckily I don’t see many reflections of these traits in my watch collection. I will say I “impulsively” bought my Orient Kamasu, but I spent a few days looking at videos and photos of the watch, so I guess impulsiveness is subjective. Lately, I have been practicing pretty good self control.  At least I made a good impulsive decision lol. 

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HoroMichigan

Impulsive and hopeful - I am always the last holdout to accept bad news for what it is, but I am kind of glad to say that luckily I don’t see many reflections of these traits in my watch collection. I will say I “impulsively” bought my Orient Kamasu, but I spent a few days looking at videos and photos of the watch, so I guess impulsiveness is subjective. Lately, I have been practicing pretty good self control.  At least I made a good impulsive decision lol. 

Impulsive is really subjective and definitely on a scale of sorts.  I;d like to say none of my watch purchases have been impulsive, but that would be a lie.  At least most of them have not been :-) 

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Definitely in the top right segment me and the watches, but I thought choleric was a nasty disease and the reason we don' trust the water and drink beer instead. 

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I’m definitely on the sanguine and phlegmatic side of the chart mostly. Being an introvert, I avoid flashy, blingy things in general. Other than that, I’m kind of all over the place in my watch interests. About the only thing that doesn’t interest me at all are the blank watches with almost nothing on the dial. I want complications and some visual interest to marvel at. 

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BigIona

With you. Totally with you. But…, ive been looking at the Sinn 556 I B blue dial on the H-link bracelet all morning now and I think I need one. 
 

Totally not impulsive. But, it is in stock…

https://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/Sinn-556-I-B-Blue-Dial-on-H-Link-Bracelet-74p4955.htm 

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Mr.Dee.Bater
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BigIona

This makes complete sense to me 🙂. How many situations do you have covered?  Are you like @HotWatchChick69 and you have a shrimp civiche watch?  Or just more general daily scenarios? 

just general daily scenario 😂, but i think it is just in my head actually.

work: field watch, flieger watch

formal: dresswatch

casual hangout or holiday: diver or gmt

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Unholy

just general daily scenario 😂, but i think it is just in my head actually.

work: field watch, flieger watch

formal: dresswatch

casual hangout or holiday: diver or gmt

Haha, it’s always just in our heads. That’s what makes it so fun!  For me, I feel like I MUST have a date complication on a work watch. Yes, I sit at a computer and have a paper calendar at my desk. But, if I’m walking the hallway and need to know (no cell phone at work) I can’t go without. 
 

Completely reasonable. 

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BigIona

Do you notice a trend in the type of watches you purchase?  Or is your collection a mixed bag? 

Historically, I've collected a mixed bag.  Japanese, Swiss, German.  Big brands and micros.  Clean dials and cluttered ones.  Interesting colors, silvers, blacks, and whites.

I don't even know that I could identify a trend in things I own now and intend to keep.

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Plus an Oysterquartz day date with a massive number of diamonds on it.  No picture because it's in the safe deposit box and I can't be bothered to make a point.

I have a really tough time identifying the common element between these watches save for I am not attracted to the sparest of dials and I don't have a ton of super bright doxa colored dials (but I have in the past).  But the SBGA429 would hardly count as busy and has the pop of color.

The biggest preference that I can state at this point is that I have never owned a diver that's lasted more than two months in my collection.  I'm not convinced that's personality based so much as I haven't met the right diver.

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TonyXXX

While I love your Sinn's I'm drooling over those Hanhart watches of yours 🤤

How do you find the size for a start, relative to your wrist size and the thickness of the watch as well? The build quality, how would you rate them compared to, let's say a Sinn or possibly a Tutima for instance?

Is the black chrono a Hanhart 417 ES Red Lion? or another model?

I have so many questions I could ask you as there is little to no reviews on YouTube and whatever they do say I don't really listen to their opinion anyway and Hanhart gets neglected as far as I can see on any watch forum, including WatchCrunch. 

I ask as I have gone to pull the trigger a few times on the Pioneer Preventor 9 but I am a little concerned with the size at 40mm 

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So excuse me for asking so many questions but it's great to actually meet someone who has some in their collection.

Thanks for the kind words.

Wow - lots of questions - I'll try and get to all of them:

  1. Size of the Hanharts depend on the watch. The TachyTele is reasonable for most wrists with a diameter of 40mm but is definitely a highboy at 15mm of thickness - wears very comfortably on its calfskin leather strap.
  2.  The black chrono is the 417 ES (HA 072) - not the TGV model - this is a larger model to the original specs that are consistent with the vintage reference worn by Steve McQueen - 42mm diameter but only 13.3mm thick - wears super comfortably on the calfskin leather bund as its lined on the inside with Alcantara suede.
  3.  I would say if you have a wrist size smaller than 7 inches, you probably want to go for the references that are 40mm and under. Hanhart did a collaboration with Revolution Watch for the 417 nicknamed the "Copperhead" - it is 39mm and fantastic - it was a limited edition of 200 so may be hard to find. Here's what it looks like on my 7.5 inch wrist:
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4. The build quality is fantastic - same level as Sinn in my book - I don't have any Tutimas so can't comment on that comparison.

5. On the Pioneer, I would not worry about the 40mm diameter and the height is only 12.2mm so that should be relatively cuff friendly - and at 48mm lug-to-lug it should fit most wrists without overhang - really thorough review/video of the watch here from someone who has a 6.25 inch wrist: https://www.beansandbezels.com/reviews/hanhart-pioneer-preventor-9-watch-review/

Hope I didn't miss anything - if I did - send more questions.

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BigIona

Also, that Sinn chronograph has me questioning my entire post right now. It’s beautiful. 

Thanks - that is one of the Rattrapante chronographs I was referring to in my initial post.

Not to be pedantic, but for those who are interested in understanding the rattrapante (split seconds) chronograph, Gear Patrol did a really informative article:

https://www.gearpatrol.com/watches/a334856/rattrapante-chronograph-definition/

The Sinn 910 column-wheel split seconds (SI 381) is probably the only rattrapante chronograph you can find for under $10,000. Such a gorgeous watch and reasonably priced for the level of complication.

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BigIona

Also, did you mention a theme in your collection?  Just curious if you predominantly lean in one direction or another. 

  1. Mostly big bold brash divers,seiko samurais 3 of,for the keyboard warrior in me( no turtles for me),zodiacs for the madness of their designs n colours,some microbarands  including a bronze aquatico that could be used in battle,I have liking for twin crown watches 5 of,including an alpina which is defo off the wall,but probably my dressiest watch, a few Swiss lower echelon watches,I do like re editions of vintage divers as well,but I am trying to calm down with a couple of proper vintage peices and I'm after a proper skin diver, can't really say wether the collection reflects my personality more like what looks good,what I like at that time and what's going for a good price on flea bay,my collection is certainly diverse, plenty of well researched impulsive buys,certainly there's an obsession and rage at the one that got away,but I've got a passion for watches and it makes me feel good,and as was said in the film platoon 'feeling good is good enough',cheers.
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Stricko
  1. Mostly big bold brash divers,seiko samurais 3 of,for the keyboard warrior in me( no turtles for me),zodiacs for the madness of their designs n colours,some microbarands  including a bronze aquatico that could be used in battle,I have liking for twin crown watches 5 of,including an alpina which is defo off the wall,but probably my dressiest watch, a few Swiss lower echelon watches,I do like re editions of vintage divers as well,but I am trying to calm down with a couple of proper vintage peices and I'm after a proper skin diver, can't really say wether the collection reflects my personality more like what looks good,what I like at that time and what's going for a good price on flea bay,my collection is certainly diverse, plenty of well researched impulsive buys,certainly there's an obsession and rage at the one that got away,but I've got a passion for watches and it makes me feel good,and as was said in the film platoon 'feeling good is good enough',cheers.

You should check out Tsao Baltimore :-)  They have a twin crown, compressor diver that is just beautiful and totally reasonably priced.  I have been looking at their green dial GMT.  

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BigIona

You should check out Tsao Baltimore :-)  They have a twin crown, compressor diver that is just beautiful and totally reasonably priced.  I have been looking at their green dial GMT.  

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Looks great ,I'll check it out ,thankyou

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ChronoGuy

Thanks for the kind words.

Wow - lots of questions - I'll try and get to all of them:

  1. Size of the Hanharts depend on the watch. The TachyTele is reasonable for most wrists with a diameter of 40mm but is definitely a highboy at 15mm of thickness - wears very comfortably on its calfskin leather strap.
  2.  The black chrono is the 417 ES (HA 072) - not the TGV model - this is a larger model to the original specs that are consistent with the vintage reference worn by Steve McQueen - 42mm diameter but only 13.3mm thick - wears super comfortably on the calfskin leather bund as its lined on the inside with Alcantara suede.
  3.  I would say if you have a wrist size smaller than 7 inches, you probably want to go for the references that are 40mm and under. Hanhart did a collaboration with Revolution Watch for the 417 nicknamed the "Copperhead" - it is 39mm and fantastic - it was a limited edition of 200 so may be hard to find. Here's what it looks like on my 7.5 inch wrist:
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4. The build quality is fantastic - same level as Sinn in my book - I don't have any Tutimas so can't comment on that comparison.

5. On the Pioneer, I would not worry about the 40mm diameter and the height is only 12.2mm so that should be relatively cuff friendly - and at 48mm lug-to-lug it should fit most wrists without overhang - really thorough review/video of the watch here from someone who has a 6.25 inch wrist: https://www.beansandbezels.com/reviews/hanhart-pioneer-preventor-9-watch-review/

Hope I didn't miss anything - if I did - send more questions.

Thank you very much for your reply, help and the information. Like I said, very hard to find any decent reviews on any of the Hanhart watches. I am lucky though, I have a good friend who is a AD for Hanhart in Australia and he’s offered me a decent discount on any of the Hanhart models, shame he can’t do the same on the Sinn’s but apparently the margins are so tight with Sinn he can only offer a small discount and free shipping, which I would never complain about. That Copperhead is definitely a special looking piece and would be a hard one to find, so your a lucky man there.

I’ll have to just bite the bullet and buy one, I’m sure once I have it in my hands I’ll be impressed and wonder why I waited so long to add one to the collection.

Thanks again mate, I appreciate your help 🙏🏻

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BigIona

Wow, I’ve never heard of hanhart, and the Pioneer you shared is stunning. How did you even hear about this brand?  I’m always curious how folks get introduced to something clearly not mainstream. 

A good friend of mine runs a AD for Hanhart in Australia, so he’s shown me a lot of their watches, but unfortunately only over the phone and online, but I will at some point get one for the collection. He’s introduced me to a lot of brands I’d never heard of or knew little about, I purchased a Tutima sevensea’s through his business and while it was very well made and a beautiful watch, it unfortunately was just that little bit too big for my wrist.

Hanhart has been around for a long time and have a good variety of watches to choose from, so when you get a chance you should definitely check them out, even if it’s through the Australian website “Define Watches “ at least you’ll have an idea of what is on offer 👍

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@HotWatchChick69 you order the SBGY009 yet? 

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BigIona

@HotWatchChick69 you order the SBGY009 yet? 

Ha!  No.  No more watches for me for a while.  Here's what I wrote in another thread:

Prices of luxury goods always fall significantly when a recession hits.  Everyone begins selling off marginal assets in order to try to shore up balance sheets.  Heck, I, myself, am already beginning to cash hoard, and have put a stop to all marginal spending!  Beyond that, check out the below chart - it's the nominal 10-2 yield curve.  I know, I know...  everyone uses the 10-2 real yield curve, blah, blah, blah.  And we could have a 6 hour debate as to which is more appropriate and why, and then we'd get into a fist fight over the importance of rational expectations, money illusion, fiscal versus monetary effects, transmission effects, etc., etc., etc.  Suffice it to say, the summer before the contraction in GDP in 2020, the 10-2 nominal yield curve dipped below zero to -0.04%.  Today, the nominal 10-2 yield curve is at -0.19%.  Hence, my cash hoarding and the end to all my discretionary spending!

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TonyXXX

Thank you very much for your reply, help and the information. Like I said, very hard to find any decent reviews on any of the Hanhart watches. I am lucky though, I have a good friend who is a AD for Hanhart in Australia and he’s offered me a decent discount on any of the Hanhart models, shame he can’t do the same on the Sinn’s but apparently the margins are so tight with Sinn he can only offer a small discount and free shipping, which I would never complain about. That Copperhead is definitely a special looking piece and would be a hard one to find, so your a lucky man there.

I’ll have to just bite the bullet and buy one, I’m sure once I have it in my hands I’ll be impressed and wonder why I waited so long to add one to the collection.

Thanks again mate, I appreciate your help 🙏🏻

Looks like Theo & Harris has a pre-owned "Copperhead" for sale in their shop (was just checking out their new listings). Here's the link:

Hanhart Revolution | Vintage Watches (theoandharris.com)

They are selling the watch for $3,215 - the original price of the watch was $2,050 - so a pretty steep premium. However, there were only 200 in the limited edition.