For sure there is pump and dump activities that happen. I believe that dealers marginally inflate the prices amongst themselves rather than actual end users creating the demand. So that argument of supply and demand drives the price is artificial. When one dealer rises a marginal price the next dealer does likewise. What happens is the end users believe that is the real market price and end up buying rather than going on a waitlist. I've seen too many posts where the q is resale value (when I got into collecting 20+ yrs ago, I never bought on resale value). So these buyers are hedgers, buying and wearing expecting to get or make money on these hyped pieces in recent yrs. 

With regard to the supply chain, even last year I got a new Cermit within 6mths from an AD. I must admit there was some luck, but the pieces are there, it just depends on what type of AD you have and what type of customer you are (btw I was not a high spender), I  did buy another watch and identified myself as a collector and returned to the AD wearing the same watch I had bought there months earlier. Now that AD has virtually no R in it's cases mayb a solid Gold ladies etc. So I believe the supply chain will get better but will not translate to visible pieces in cases... Happy hunting all!    

Agree, I think they would bring it back with both jubilee and oyster available. With new mvt, this would be the one to get now over the mk1. Same for the Hulk if it comes back with new case and mvt, the one to get. Expect that grey dealers will try to pump the mk1 but the consumer will decide on price levels. Another topic of conversation, actual production of units. With the world supply chains slowly coming back, I would expect inventory levels to get slightly better, and hopefully all those on wait lists will start to see some light. Albeit, you will have to pay the new price increase, but still it's rrp instead of the grey mkt.   

Loving this forum! Yes, agree with some of the comments already. An app would be brilliant for the phone. Eventually, a for sale corner where people could buy and sell safely! Too many horror stories out there already, although it would take a lot of time and resources, having a place where certain criteria HAS to be met to provide a safe haven for all users would be the best. 

Didn’t know that was a thing….so glad it work out well for you! Learn som new every day. Wear in good health!

Welcome! And yes the Seiko site doesn’t do a god job to showcase that dial.

As haute horology goes, imho it knocks it out of the park. It’s their take in an integrated bracelet, or Moser could say evolution. BTW the case back looks like spring bars, so a custom strap could be possible or dare they make a rubber strap ha. For me and that $$ I would need some complications. That dial jz has too much real estate, but noticed this trend with AP 15500, Tudor Royal etc

Exactly!! And not to mention the ppl who try pass on fake items with blurry pics and one liners. There has to be some self monitoring of these platforms.