Identifying vintage 1930s/40s(?) Swiss movement

Hi all - interested if anyone can assist me in identifying this watch movement, or point me in the right direction where I might find some resources that would help. Just for curiosity on an old British military watch from I suspect 1930s or 40s that belonged to my grandfather. There are no markings other than "Swiss", diameter is 31mm. Thanks in advance.

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Sweep second or sub-second? Post dial please?

@MrBloke - you might know off hand? 1940s FHF 30 with custom bridge (but can’t see any markings)? Too old to be a Buren 280. 

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Porthole

Sweep second or sub-second? Post dial please?

@MrBloke - you might know off hand? 1940s FHF 30 with custom bridge (but can’t see any markings)? Too old to be a Buren 280. 

Thank you for the quick reply, appreciated, dial photo here, apologies I thought I had included this with the first post.

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Oh hello! Me likey likey! These are right up my street.

Military style, not necessarily issued unless you have the arrow on the case, or ATP or WWW.

I had a deep dive this morning in terms of movement, but not necessarily the easiest as I‘m trying to match the stud holder to the bridge, and it’s not easy. If it’s custom, then I’m going to be struggling which is why I want a second opinion. Saying that it’s probably obvious and I’m just missing something.

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Porthole

Oh hello! Me likey likey! These are right up my street.

Military style, not necessarily issued unless you have the arrow on the case, or ATP or WWW.

I had a deep dive this morning in terms of movement, but not necessarily the easiest as I‘m trying to match the stud holder to the bridge, and it’s not easy. If it’s custom, then I’m going to be struggling which is why I want a second opinion. Saying that it’s probably obvious and I’m just missing something.

Appreciate your time on this Chris, thank you. I too love this watch, as I said above its only 31mm (the movement is about 25mm), the blued hands really stand out and it just makes a change for me and of course is very nostalgic.

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Porthole

Oh hello! Me likey likey! These are right up my street.

Military style, not necessarily issued unless you have the arrow on the case, or ATP or WWW.

I had a deep dive this morning in terms of movement, but not necessarily the easiest as I‘m trying to match the stud holder to the bridge, and it’s not easy. If it’s custom, then I’m going to be struggling which is why I want a second opinion. Saying that it’s probably obvious and I’m just missing something.

I will admit to having spent too much time on this and that I have gotten nowhere. The lack of arrow, white dial, and radium dots at the indices make it likely a civilian piece.  My best guess is early 1940's. I think that the hand set is not one of a Dirty Dozen manufacturer.

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Aurelian

I will admit to having spent too much time on this and that I have gotten nowhere. The lack of arrow, white dial, and radium dots at the indices make it likely a civilian piece.  My best guess is early 1940's. I think that the hand set is not one of a Dirty Dozen manufacturer.

It’s bugging me.

Calling for reinforcements:

@MelvinHollenberg @SimplyVintageWatches @MrBloke @Davemcc 

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Peseux 170 or a derivative of it.

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Porthole

It’s bugging me.

Calling for reinforcements:

@MelvinHollenberg @SimplyVintageWatches @MrBloke @Davemcc 

It’s not a Hamilton so I’m out of my league.  LOL

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MrBloke

Peseux 170 or a derivative of it.

So, perhaps a Mido?

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Aurelian

So, perhaps a Mido?

It’s the bottom bit that’s throwing me. Peseux 170 with a custom bridge is probably the best shout - I’d live with that. I was also considering custom Universal 259 or even Venus 75 / 110 - but they are probably well off the mark and I’m reaching. I just got the Aero with the Peseux movement, albeit a later 192A - I feel pretty stupid now.

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MrBloke

Peseux 170 or a derivative of it.

Good shout. 

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Davemcc

It’s not a Hamilton so I’m out of my league.  LOL

I am much more comfortable with American watches.  When I see a Felca, Orsa, or any number of smaller brands I soon learn the limits of the internet.

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Thank you so much, that's terrific, very grateful for the time responding to this @MrBloke and @chronotriggered for mustering the expertise here on the forum and of course for everyone participating and taking interest.

It's given me a starting block for a little more research, looks like these movements were widely used and I have found from a web search an almost identical bridge and appearance on a Fides Geneve watch who it appears used identical shaped hands too. 

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danmitch

Thank you so much, that's terrific, very grateful for the time responding to this @MrBloke and @chronotriggered for mustering the expertise here on the forum and of course for everyone participating and taking interest.

It's given me a starting block for a little more research, looks like these movements were widely used and I have found from a web search an almost identical bridge and appearance on a Fides Geneve watch who it appears used identical shaped hands too. 

This happens a lot - there were a lot of brands who threw parts together so you’d find various movements across the board. I have loads of ETA 1080s across a number of different “brands”. Same with cases and handsets, even dials.

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Man you guys are all so awesome, I love these comming together detective threads ⌚🧐👍😃.

@MrBloke The Peseux 170 is a great assessment 💪. Many manufactures worked with the design inspiration of such utilitarian movements and on that basis created their own in-house movements.

Following the lines of the bridge on @danmitch's photo while observing the architectural overview and layout you can clearly see the resemblance with the Cyma cal. 234.

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But I really think that the credit in the "workinghorse" ingeneering of those types of calibers goes to the king of them all, the Movado 150MN. The ground design belongs to them. No doubt it worked for them from 1910 to 1975.

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Aurelian

So, perhaps a Mido?

I don't think so. Mido used the Peseux 170, but in a different bridge variation. Even the balance cock was different in the cal.1002 and 1002C.

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Its family history your lucky to have. cherish his memory and his watch. Thru DNA he lives on in you so it never left him. Whatever you do don't change it  past light service. Don't even polish it.

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OldSnafu

Its family history your lucky to have. cherish his memory and his watch. Thru DNA he lives on in you so it never left him. Whatever you do don't change it  past light service. Don't even polish it.

Thank you Brian, nice words. And don't worry, completely agree with light service and no polishing on ANY watch!