Fine Watchmaking Market Map

I stumbled across a phenomenal article on the website “WatchesBySJX” that broke down watch production into a measurable metric called “watchmaker-hours per watch”. The writer added Swiss, German, and Japanese national statistics for working hours to calculate the maximum possible number of watchmaker-hours per watch for more than 50 luxury watch brands.

The writer is quoted as saying the following: “The watchmaker-hours metric is not the number of hours that a watchmaker spends on every watch. Rather, it’s the theoretical maximum number of hours that a brand’s watchmakers could possibly spend with each watch. This workrate can be viewed as a simple proxy for the amount of human involvement that each individual watch can get during the production process.”

So, with this information let’s dig into the data of some well known brands from the very top of the market down to the “plebeian” luxury brands.

The writer labels the very top “The Peak” The brands below are the crème de la crème and many have closed their order books.

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The article states- “At the highest level of watchmaking, brands produce fewer than five watches per employee per year, resulting in an average of 834 watchmaker-hours per watch across these 15 brands.”

Ferdinand Berthoud listed at the very top and is able to invest up to 643 watchmaker-hours in each watch. But this is the max-not the average. For context, the 15 brands shown above make less than 500 watches per year, combined. In contrast, Rolex alone produces more than 2,000 watches every day!!

Artisinal Industrial”

The next rung on the ladder is labeled Artisinal Industrial and is dominated by ALS & F.P. Journe.

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I have a buddy with almost a half dozen Laurent Ferrier’s and I totally understand the level of craftsmanship that goes into one of those watches. I’ve also handled Lange & Journe and for commercially produced brands, their finishing is top notch. The writer is quoted as saying “Lange and Journe are the most artisanal, with capacity for up to 212 and 264 watchmaker-hours for each watch, respectively.”

“Industrial Haute Horlogerie”

The next batch is where most of the high end brands that live in the popular conscious reside.

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This batch was the one that initially surprised me the most and I’ll tell you why- Glashütte Original!! I would never have guessed that they would be lumped together with the likes of Patek, AP, VC, Richard Mille, Breguet, Blancpain, H. Moser, L.U.C. Chopard, Parmigiani Fluerier, Habring & Piaget! That legit blew my mind and is the reason why I’m making this post.

But first I wanna touch on a topic the article raised regarding the Holy Trinity with Patek & AP as the main topic of discussion. It’s quoted as saying “Patek Philippe employs 1,600 staff and produces about 68,000 watches per year, suggesting a maximum of 38.6 watchmaker-hours per watch. Looking at Patek’s mechanical watch production only, this number gets closer to 50 but still lags behind most rivals. This is important because it helps explain some of the choices the brand makes in its finishing.”

It continues “For example, many collectors lamented the absence of any sharp inner angles on the new 5236 perpetual calendar. But the fact is that an average of less than 50 watchmaker-hours per watch is just not enough to add these kinds of sought-after flourishes to every watch, forcing the brand to ration these embellishments to their more elite pieces.”

This was helpful in illuminating how and why Patek incorporates certain finishes in some but not all their watches. It’s simply not possible with the labor force that’s available.

This brings us to AP which the article discusses in the following paragraphs- “In contrast, Audemars Piguet currently produces about 48,000 watches per year with about 2,000 staff (up to 72.9 watchmaker-hours per watch). Even this impressive number requires rationing of inner angles, though they can be found abundantly relative to Patek.

Audemars Piguet recently announced plans to increase production to about 65,000 watches per year by 2027. It will be interesting to see how the brand meets these growth targets; were they to achieve this increase in volume with their current headcount, it would dilute their workrate closer to where Patek Philippe is today.”

I think it’ll be interesting to see where these haute horology brands go in the future as I believe there are less and less people being trained as watchmakers yet more people are becoming involved in the hobby. Perhaps that’ll push more young people to choose watchmaking school and I hope it does, as I would love to see a continuation of these artisanal techniques passed down so that we can continue to enjoy them in the decades to come.

Industrial Fine Watchmaking”

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The next rung down also had some surprises but not all of them necessarily good. I would’ve thought JLC was in the same class as the Holy Trinity, Blancpain, Piaget & Parmigiani Fluerier. But I guess I was wrong. The writer succinctly explains JLC in the following- “I expected to see Jaeger-LeCoultre in the 30-99 range, but the brand’s production of 95,000 watches per year and headcount around 1,200 suggest a maximum of 20 watchmaker-hours per watch. The brand’s technical know-how is evident in the fact that it is able to produce so many watches with finishing (in its core range) on par with rivals like Glashütte Original, while also producing a wide variety of unusual complications like the Reverso Tribute Gyrotourbillon that clearly benefit from many hours of hand finishing.”

I was also surprised by Nomos. The writer goes on to say “Nomos is a standout brand in this category due to its low average price point. Nomos benefits from the same “Glashüttenomics” as Lange and Glashütte Original, with lower labor costs than in neighboring Switzerland. This means the brand can afford to invest more watchmaker-hours in each piece, raising the level of craftsmanship (and also value) compared to similarly priced Swiss rivals.” They punch way higher than I thought! I just never expected them to be along side Girard Perregaux, Bulgari & Ulysse Nardin! Those are some serious Maisons!

“Industrial Prowness”

This is where the big boys reside.

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Here you have your standard luxury watch brands that produce copious amounts of watches per year. Most of the popular brands here get by with only 3-6 watchmaker hours per watch. GS was most surprising to me with only 3.6 watchmaker hours per watch and a production of only 45k watches a year. 45k watches a year makes you think they would spend more time per watch but apparently they do not.

Watchmaker- Hours per dollar

This is where it gets really interesting in my opinion. I’ll let the writer explain in their own words again:

“The watchmaker-hours metric can also be combined with price data to visualise clusters of brands that offer similar levels of craftsmanship value. This graph helps illustrate which brands have more pricing power in the market and can charge the highest prices on a watchmaker-hour basis.

This is why I wanted to share all this info. It all comes together in the following two graphs.

“Glashütte Original is the standout value king, charging a mere US$78 per watchmaker-hour. Comparing the “big three” brands, Patek Philippe’s watches are priced at US$773 per watchmaker-hour, compared to about US$540 for Audemars Piguet and US$408 for Vacheron Constantin. Lange and Journe clock in at US$198 and US$225, respectively.”

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The next graph excluded Lange and Journe as they are extreme outliers and it’s lets you get an even clear picture.

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As you can see, GO is uniquely positioned in a value area that few other brands can match. They incorporate an extraordinary amount of watchmaker hours per watch at an extremely low price tag relative to the amount of hours involved in producing it. As the proud owner of PanoMaticInverse, I was stunned to see how good a choice I made at the jeweler the day I bought it!! 😅😂💸 But seriously, all this data reinforced my love for Glashütte Original and gives me solid evidence to support my claim. “Glashuttenomics” is very real! Look at how Nomos punches above their weight. And ALS is able to provide phenomenal hand craftsmanship for much less per watchmaker hour ($178) than Swiss rivals Patek & AP.

So, what do you guys think? Does this give you new insight on how to categorize the different luxury brands? It opened my eyes immensely.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2022/11/watchmaking-market-map-2022.html

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Thank you for posting this! Super fascinating and also surprising.

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Amazing and baffling at the same time

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The question becomes eventually whether you would prefer more watchmaker-hours invested into the watch vs. a smooth automated (and largely dust-free) process with the watchmakers performing what machines cannot, yet resulting in a very high-quality product. Is human involvement always better at every step of the production process?

ALS and FPJ are exceptions, I knew that much. They almost produce watches for the sake of producing watches, it's more of a piece of art than anything else.

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Thanks for sharing Paul. Largely the numbers and grouping work. I’m not surprised by GO, one simply has to look at the back of the PanoMaticLunar and appreciate the art of their double bridge then figure how much you’d have to spend to see that in a Swiss watch.

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Very interesting and informative! Thank you for sharing!

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How many hours went into creating this post 😁

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nicely

Thank you for posting this! Super fascinating and also surprising.

It’s my pleasure! 🥂

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SpecKTator

Amazing and baffling at the same time

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Hahaha. Facts

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hbein2022

The question becomes eventually whether you would prefer more watchmaker-hours invested into the watch vs. a smooth automated (and largely dust-free) process with the watchmakers performing what machines cannot, yet resulting in a very high-quality product. Is human involvement always better at every step of the production process?

ALS and FPJ are exceptions, I knew that much. They almost produce watches for the sake of producing watches, it's more of a piece of art than anything else.

I don’t think human involvement is necessarily always better. I’ve seen people post quality control issues about their Lange’s and some older Journe movements are considered by many to be quite fragile. Sometimes the automated manufacturing process has its benefits. Rolex has amazing quality control when you consider how many pieces they makes every year. The article even states-

“These brands (Rolex, Omega) are able to produce enormous numbers of high-quality watches thanks to investments in state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities, which are at the forefront of automation in the context of watchmaking. While final assembly is largely manual, production, finishing, and testing are done in large batches by primarily automated methods. But that’s not to say their products are inferior. One of the great contradictions in watchmaking is the fact that industrial brands that make watches with the least amount of human involvement tend to have the most exacting internal requirements for precision, and also the longest warranties.”

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AllTheWatches

Thanks for sharing Paul. Largely the numbers and grouping work. I’m not surprised by GO, one simply has to look at the back of the PanoMaticLunar and appreciate the art of their double bridge then figure how much you’d have to spend to see that in a Swiss watch.

You’re absolutely right. You get a lot of bang for your buck from those German brands. There’s definitely something to be said about “Glashüttenomics”

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pepelyankov

Very interesting and informative! Thank you for sharing!

You’re very welcome.

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BtownB9

How many hours went into creating this post 😁

Could have been an hour easily. 🙈😅😩

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Very interesting! Though I'm not sure it's super actionable for me.

Will not dispute the tremendous value GO represent, or their watchmaking skill - but, I'm just not that big a fan of their designs.

And hours spent adding hand engraving, bevel polishing, etc. adds tremendously to the hours/watch metric but don't add much to a watches value for me.

I'd suggest there are some very critical parts done by hand, and some purely aesthetic parts of the build that can end up being the most time intensive.

Manufacturing prowess must be considered as well. Investing in better machines likely results in lower hours per watch, but may represent improvement in quality in most cases.

When I was at GS Shizukuishi for a half day the movement assembly was no mass production. Movements seemed to be at a single station for ages. So was surprising to me it's that low on this list, but maybe it's like Rolex, manufacturing prowess that replaces some of the hours of hand labour.

This was one of their master watchmakers putting in a hairspring and then adjusting it. I watched him for at least 15 minutes 🤯

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I will always rank on design, creativity, and build quality... so hours/watch will likely stay fairly low in my priorities.

Would be curious to know for some other companies I like: Hajime Asaoka (hand made parts hand build, closed order book), Kurono Tokyo (hand made dials done by local artisan studios, not the watchmaker) or Horage (employing numerous engineers and designing movements, producing completely in house parts and movements and watches = design and engineering cost intensive)

Cheers for posting the article and commentary Paul! 🍻

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Mont Blanc appears twice?

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magice

Mont Blanc appears twice?

One was their high end Minerva factory. The other regular MontBlanc watches

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That’s a fantastic bit of data - a great read

What isn’t mentioned is the amount of cumulative hours involved - standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were.

I would assume that some of the more industrialised “luxury” producers (Rolex, Omega, Breitling etc) have accumulated a considerable amount of historic experience and expertise that is poured into each new development. So where they may lack dedicated watchmaker hours - it might be mitigated by years’ worth of development on prior iterations…

(Or they might just be resting on their laurels…)

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Great post! Very informative. Hours/watch is ofc just another indicator; still, made me happy to see GO ranked that high - and that I went with the GO Senator when visiting my AD earlier this year for what I thought would be an IWC Portugieser or JLC moonphase :) And reinforced my idea that the next watch will be a Nomos (Orion 38 Silver). Keep sharing this kind of stuff!

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Very interesting approach to value proposition. I certainly applaud you bringing this to our attention.

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Marko9

What Watch brand is “RD” on the chart? It’s also in the extreme value zone.

I’ve been trying to figure that out for a while now. At first I thought it was RM because I can’t see them on the graph at all. But the average price of “RD” doesn’t compute with Richard Mille. I wish I could ask the writer but there is no comment section on the article website

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Tinfoiled14

Fantastic post ! Now I know my taste in watches is truly “ Champagne taste “ 😂

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not owned but would truly like these two in my collection

When I was a kid my dad always used to say that I have champagne tastes on a beer budget. 🤪😂

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Timetodial

Great article. It's very useful to compare time spent on a watch at the same price point. At the 20k-ish range there is a huge dispersion. Less so at 10k but the zenith surprised me. The GO stands out as incredible value and as a proud owner incredible value.

It would be interesting to see how the graph changes based on secondary prices. The GO difference would be even more exaggerated.

Oh ya. Put a discount on a GO and the value skyrockets!

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Ack! This is going to make me insane. It may be the cause of my early demise. 👻

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sh1tehouse

That’s a fantastic bit of data - a great read

What isn’t mentioned is the amount of cumulative hours involved - standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were.

I would assume that some of the more industrialised “luxury” producers (Rolex, Omega, Breitling etc) have accumulated a considerable amount of historic experience and expertise that is poured into each new development. So where they may lack dedicated watchmaker hours - it might be mitigated by years’ worth of development on prior iterations…

(Or they might just be resting on their laurels…)

With the big boys it just comes down to volume. They simply can’t put in the watchmaker hours per watch that smaller brands with less production volume can. They’ve invested heavily in automation that helps keep extremely tight tolerances that inturn allows mass production and less human labor.

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corsokid

Very interesting approach to value proposition. I certainly applaud you bringing this to our attention.

You’re very welcome. It was my pleasure.

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Icarium

Great post! Very informative. Hours/watch is ofc just another indicator; still, made me happy to see GO ranked that high - and that I went with the GO Senator when visiting my AD earlier this year for what I thought would be an IWC Portugieser or JLC moonphase :) And reinforced my idea that the next watch will be a Nomos (Orion 38 Silver). Keep sharing this kind of stuff!

Nomos really makes some killer watches. I love the Tangente Neomatik 41 in midnight blue. But my only gripe are the long lugs. I know everyone says that but it’s true!

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Very interesting and insightful, thank you for sharing :)

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wornbytung

Very interesting and insightful, thank you for sharing :)

You’re welcome!

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I don't know how I missed this thread, but wanted to say thanks for posting. It's one of the most interesting threads I've seen here on WC.

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tempus

I don't know how I missed this thread, but wanted to say thanks for posting. It's one of the most interesting threads I've seen here on WC.

It was my pleasure. I thought a good amount of people would enjoy the data and get some useful insights on the industry.

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Dude, this is a great write up and a very interesting source article. You must have a lot of free time on your hands 😀. The one thing that disturbs me at the end of the source article is this disclaimer:

For headcount data, I relied on data provided by brands, published interviews, and firsthand reports from manufacture visits. Where no data could be found, I used my own estimates.

That is a huge caveat that gets buried at the end. So for example if the number of JLC employees (1,200) that is used for the analysis is significantly off, this would position them very differently. And there is no mention of how much of this was done! How many of them provided the date? Out of the 50 companies, 45? or 2? And for the estimates, exactly how did the author quantify those numbers? So again, very interesting article, but without better verification of source data, I'm very leery of the provided analysis.

P.S. Super jealous of some of your watches. You seem to have a fabulous collection.