Watches in the Wild (Rhetorical Stumbles, Volume 48)

Disclaimer: NWA, Farer Carnegie Manual Wind Chronograph

This is the forty eigth in a semi-regular digest of cool watches I happened to see this week.

Past posts in this series have been hashtagged to #watchesinthewild .

As always, my general policy is that I never ask for wrist shots (because approaching strangers and distant acquaintances to talk about watches is already weird enough) so all pictures below are sourced from the internet. People are mostly cool, I try not to annoy them.

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If you have learned anything from this column, you should know that I am very rarely at a loss for words especially when it comes to my chosen hobby of impulsively buying tiny little mechanical automatons to wear on my wrist.  I am extremely gifted at all manner of rationalizations, rhetorical backflips, and seamless transitions into appropriate topics.  

And yet, just yesterday, when a lovely woman who is the mother to my daughter's school aged friend complimented the color of my watch (the Farer pictured above), I stumbled.  Let me explain.

There's a point in every watch related conversation where  you have a choice to make about where the conversation goes: stay on the surface or go deeper.  Staying on surface is overwhelming the correct answer.  Watches are male jewelry.  They look a little shiny and that's all you need to know.  Move onto the next subject.

And yet, going deeper can be the most rewarding.  This is where great watch conversations begin, where rookies can be introduced to the beauty and insanity of the watch hobby, where fellow collectors are born and friendships are forged.

Just so you know, I took the wrong path.  Instead of taking the compliment gracefully and moving to a different topic, I ended up speaking for about five minutes on its provenance, the place it holds in my collection, and the merits of hand wound chronographs versus quartz.

I don't think I've bored a woman that much since the time I tried to convince my high school girlfriend to pick up competitive StarCraft.

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That is all.

A tight collection of watches for you today but some awesome conversations (unlike my experience above) to match.  I hope you enjoy!

NTTD Omega Seamaster

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Seen at the butcher, worn very loosely by an older gentleman on the Omega mesh.  I complimented the watch and he gave me a bit of a toothy grin but no further conversation.

It honestly took me a bit of time to understand why this Seamaster is so beloved among watch nerds.  I mean, in my mind, the Bond thing is super played out (no matter how cool a Bond Daniel Craig was), the broad arrow badging is a neat little bit of appropriation, and we as a watch community need to move past fauxtina.  Earn that creamy lume honestly and isn't a tropic dial just a code word for "damaged"?

At  any rate, it was not until I dropped into an Omega boutique some months ago and, on the insistence of the sales person, tried it on that it made sense.  In spite of my incredible indifference towards dive watches, I did end up trying it on and lingered over it an entirely inappropriate amount of time.

I've spent some time trying to figure out why this version of the Seamaster tickles me as much as it does and I've largely narrowed it down to three things.

1. For all of its objective merits, the steel Seamaster 300m is a bit chonk monster. I have multiple chronographs that are thinner than this watch at 13.7mm.  The NTTD Seamaster is 13mm tall, well with reasonable  for a dive watch.  I have been told this is because of a slightly different domed sapphire.  

2. Titanium bay-bee!  The basic 300m is a little heavy for my tastes (I remember reading somewhere that it was about 170g with the average amount of links taken out).  Whenever I've had it on wrist, I feel every milligram of that weight (yes, I'm very whiny, but what watch collector isn't about this sort of stuff).  The NTTD is about half the weight, making it wear even smaller on the wrist.

3. It's always good when a major luxury watch manufacturer completes the suspension of disbelief by removing the date complication that would only slow you down on your nonexistent dive expedition. I mean, who needs the date underwater anyway?

If it isn't clear by now, I kid because I love....and I kinda love this watch.  Despite wearing the Bond association on its sleeve, it is fun and rugged and I'm always glad when I see it on people's wrists.

Just one small niggle.  The Caliber 8806.  Yes, yes, this is a fantastic movement, coaxial master chronometer.  Just a fantastic and wonderfully decorated movement.  But this is what the same movement looks like in the back of the 40mm Omega Railmaster.

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Now think about that in the 42mm NTTD Seamaster. Does that look a bit small to you?

A.Lange & Sohne Saxonia in Yellow Gold

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Seen at a Chinese banquet on the wrist of a very well dressed gentleman who was deathly allergic to shellfish.  I can think of very few worse places to be than at a Chinese restaurant with a shellfish allergy.  We chatted watches for a bit and he referenced a small but blisteringly elite collection of Lange, Vacheron (a Disco Volante), and Moritz Grossman (I didn't know the watch he referenced).  When your sports watch is a Moser Pioneer, I think you might just be cooler than me.  I aspire to have this level of watch collecting confidence, where I can own this deeply and eclectically.

Once was the time that I lusted after this watch (in white gold, not yellow).  There's no doubt that this is a truly beautiful watch. I mean look at it!   Forget high falutin words like Bauhaus, this is minimalist dial layout at its finest. 

But the real magic is in the back.  Lange movements are renowned for their finishing and, up until a couple years ago, I thought this was broadly true and also broadly overrated. I mean how much better can the finishing actually be?  That was until I saw a Lange movement that was about 15 years old.

Whereas most higher end swiss movements use baseplates and bridges that are made of rhodium or gold clad brass (both of which are chemically inert and corrosion resistant), Lange uses German silver instead (a copper alloy with tin and zinc).  Much like bronze, German silver patinates over time (though much more slowly and much more gently) giving the movement a warm glow not unlike gold. Witness the gently aged Lange movement.

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It makes your heart skip a beat.  

As for the Saxonia itself, it does not tempt like it used to.  I've realized over the years that extremely clean dials ultimately bore me, even if I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into them.  The Saxonia is just a bit too subdued for my tastes these days 

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But an 1815 Up Down?  That provokes no small amount of lust currently.

Hamilton Khaki Aviation Pilot Pioneer Mechanical

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Seen while walking on the street while running out for lunch.  I stopped, asked about the watch and we had a perfectly pleasant conversation about her small but growing collection of military inspired watches (CWC, Hammy, and some vintage Seiko).  This is an area of watch collecting I have so very little knowledge of so I was a willing sponge.  It was a pleasant enough conversation that I eventually realized that I was beginning to follow her and decided to make my excuses and leave.  I hope you ended up joining WatchCrunch like I suggested!

It probably says something that I mostly identified this as a Khaki Pilot Pioneer the moment I saw it, but when I googled it for specs and other things, it took me about fifteen minutes to actually find a picture of the correct watch.  You see, Hamilton's absolutely baffling naming schema strikes again because I count at least twenty different watches that include the name "Khaki Aviation Pilot Pioneer."

Some are pretty straight forward military interpretations.

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Some are chronographs

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Some have cathedral hands.

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Some are aluminum with internal rotating bezels and sunburst dials  

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Look, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I think these are visually and stylistically distinct enough  to warrant calling them something else.  But hey, why would Hamilton management listen to me anyway.  I am just some guy on the internet.

Anyway, the Hamilton Khaki Aviation Pilot Pioneer that I happened to see was based on a Royal Air Force W10 model produced by Hamilton in the early 70s.  Similar variants of the watch were produced by CWC and I find it among the most visually identifiable military style watches out there.  The cushion/tonneau style case and small (by modern standards) diameter of 36mm.

I like how Hamilton resisted to  urge to modernize the watch, keeping the retro sizing and movement, even down to the mineral (not sapphire) crystal.  Interestingly, this is actually a bit of form following function because when I last got a look at one of these in person, I was pleasantly surprised by how much better the mineral glass performed in terms of reflectivity (or lack thereof), compared the sapphire of a Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical I owned at that point.  I can imagine how such things like lens ruggedness probably take a back seat to reflectivity while in the cockpit of a plane.  Of course, we live in 2023 so there's anti-reflective coating you can apply on sapphire, so maybe I'd be okay with a LITTLE BIT more modernity here.

The dial is one area where they did take a bit more creative liberty.  The layout is the same, but the grainy black dial is definitely not with a bit of the gloss of a black sand beach.  It's a very simple, very visible, but rather handsome finish that I would love to see more of in different contexts.

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I kinda get why this isn't a more popular watch.  It's a bit underspec'd for the price they're asking for and the size is definitely on the smaller size of modern.  It also faces a ton of internal competition against rival products that look rather similar and also bear the Hamilton name at lower prices.  All of that means you end up  reducing your market to a set of historical purist watch nerds who are specifically seeking this design and history.

Still, a very cool watch and a less common spot for me.

Breitling Avenger SeaWolf Yellow

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Seen outside my favorite Berkeley sandwich shop.  No conversation.

From one watch brand's alphabet soup of branding to another's.  One of my biggest complaints about historical Breitling (aside from watch size) is how muddled the different watch lines were.  Prior to Georges  Kern taking over, I kept on confusing last generation SuperOceans, with Colts, with Chronomats,

Brands need a look but Breitling looked very samey after a while.  Giant watches, with crowded dials, roughly similar specs, and big tabs at the cardinal points of the bezel.  What compounded it was an ever increasing explosion of different references.

Things are a little better now and each of the Breitling lines has an increasingly distinct visual identity.  The SuperOcean is their modern dive watch line, the SuperOcean Heritage is their vintage dive line, the Chronomat has the distinctive rouleaux bracelet,   Navitimers are their vintage aviation watches, Top Time is the motorsport line.  Premier is their dress watch line.  It all finally makes sense!

So what is the Avenger line?  Ostensibly it is their military/extreme performance line, but I rather think of it as the last refuge of old Breitling.  Big 45mm sports watches  with the old wing logo and strong visual presences and, as often as not, in bold colors.

It's hard for me sometimes to assess watches like these.  I don't think I'm the intended audience for these watches and I find it difficult to envision a world where I would be the intended audience for them.  Unless I start packing on the muscle, the entire Avenger line tends to dwarf my wrist.  I should also point out that I'm more nerd at a keyboard than extreme performance.

I am a big fan of the direction Breitling has taken in recent years (i.e. largely away from this aesthetic) but the fact that they still produce and invest behind watches like this makes me happy.  It gives me hope that whatever stylistic turn this hobby takes, there will still be a niche for every watch nerd out there.

What cool watches did you see this week?

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At our impromptu work finishing party(and it has), an ex colleague was trying to hide it under his jumper, spotted it from across the beer garden (my 1st 'wild' daytona) what you hiding it for I asked, well it's a rolex he said looking a bit embarrassed, don't be daft I replied you've earned it wear the hell out of it. Then Matt turned up with one of his Tag's

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Bad photo, but the shots were flowing by then.

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At our impromptu work finishing party(and it has), an ex colleague was trying to hide it under his jumper, spotted it from across the beer garden (my 1st 'wild' daytona) what you hiding it for I asked, well it's a rolex he said looking a bit embarrassed, don't be daft I replied you've earned it wear the hell out of it. Then Matt turned up with one of his Tag's

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Bad photo, but the shots were flowing by then.

I always love a Daytona but the Aquastar would have tickled me in person. They're just so much rarer.

Excellent spots and looks like a great time was had!

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I am really doubting my ID of a Presage. I can't find a black dial one that fits what I remember. Well, I know the Ironman was legit. I am useless at this.

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Aurelian

I am really doubting my ID of a Presage. I can't find a black dial one that fits what I remember. Well, I know the Ironman was legit. I am useless at this.

I was very hopeful for that presage. The problem with the line is that it's so large that you can't identify things easily. I am sympathetic.

I do admire anyone who can identify individual digital watch models because it seems like the same problem times 1 million

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Edge168n

I was very hopeful for that presage. The problem with the line is that it's so large that you can't identify things easily. I am sympathetic.

I do admire anyone who can identify individual digital watch models because it seems like the same problem times 1 million

Now I can't tell you that it was exactly this one, but it had yellow and was as ugly as this:

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Congrats on the Farer. Big fan. QQ, did you try any of the SMPs with a rubber strap vs. bracelet? Also, curious to see if you played with the bezel? I had the same issues you have, on top of the bracelet, but then came across the Nekton and it had me, one of the first with no date and looks and wears better on the rubber than bracelet. If it helps; it is still chunky and like all the SMPs I have messed with , the bezel action is a massive let down. (Photo Fratello)

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Love the variety of the other pieces you saw. I would lead with the backside of that ALS.

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Congrats on the Farer. Love thier chronos and these manual wind are absolutely $$.

The NTTD has to be my favorite SMP300 of all time. Straight Ti and smooth dial goodness, fauxtina be d*mned. The clasp size would drive me nuts but I’d probably just sleep with it under my pillow and stare at the lumed bezel until I fell asleep every night anyway.

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Seem this week: Longines Zulu Time GMT

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Shocked to actually see one in person at an Italian take-out place but sadly no conversation had. Not necessarily my cup of tea with their current color combos but I’m really glad these exist. I love some large lumed numerals (see my TAG) and who hates a GMT (see my JM).

Give me a serious Ti version with grey or black bezel though and I would need to open up a spot in my watch box. Maybe similar to the other Ti Spirit minus the gilt hands and numerals.

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AllTheWatches

Congrats on the Farer. Big fan. QQ, did you try any of the SMPs with a rubber strap vs. bracelet? Also, curious to see if you played with the bezel? I had the same issues you have, on top of the bracelet, but then came across the Nekton and it had me, one of the first with no date and looks and wears better on the rubber than bracelet. If it helps; it is still chunky and like all the SMPs I have messed with , the bezel action is a massive let down. (Photo Fratello)

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Love the variety of the other pieces you saw. I would lead with the backside of that ALS.

In my opinion, all SMPs wear better on the Omega rubber which is best in class. It's honestly how I'd buy them if I had a hankering for a Seamaster.

The bracelet is worse than most Seikos I've worn. Zero taper, too thick, humongous clasp, dated look. I know many disagree with me but it's the reason why the submariner wins time and again despite Omega's better tech.

Okay, I thought it was just me that thought the bezel kinda sucked. It's a mediocre mechanism compounded by the scalloped bezel.

I just long for the day they reissue the 2254. Then we can have the one true Omega we all have been longing for.

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Congrats on the Farer. Love thier chronos and these manual wind are absolutely $$.

The NTTD has to be my favorite SMP300 of all time. Straight Ti and smooth dial goodness, fauxtina be d*mned. The clasp size would drive me nuts but I’d probably just sleep with it under my pillow and stare at the lumed bezel until I fell asleep every night anyway.

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Seem this week: Longines Zulu Time GMT

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Shocked to actually see one in person at an Italian take-out place but sadly no conversation had. Not necessarily my cup of tea with their current color combos but I’m really glad these exist. I love some large lumed numerals (see my TAG) and who hates a GMT (see my JM).

Give me a serious Ti version with grey or black bezel though and I would need to open up a spot in my watch box. Maybe similar to the other Ti Spirit minus the gilt hands and numerals.

The Zulu Time GMTs are truly exceptional watches. I agree with you that the color combos are very dull right now, but perhaps they'll pull a Seiko and start doing some wackier stuff with dials and bezels.

If there was a titanium edition, I would preorder that sucker.

What a fantastic spot!

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Edge168n

In my opinion, all SMPs wear better on the Omega rubber which is best in class. It's honestly how I'd buy them if I had a hankering for a Seamaster.

The bracelet is worse than most Seikos I've worn. Zero taper, too thick, humongous clasp, dated look. I know many disagree with me but it's the reason why the submariner wins time and again despite Omega's better tech.

Okay, I thought it was just me that thought the bezel kinda sucked. It's a mediocre mechanism compounded by the scalloped bezel.

I just long for the day they reissue the 2254. Then we can have the one true Omega we all have been longing for.

Thanks for that! I know many want to get in the Sub vs. SMP debate, but the SMP fails at too many of the basics. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy it and love wearing the one I have, but for a watch so beloved, its flaws are hard to ignore. If I wear mine to the beach, forget trying to rotate the bezel, the one thing it should do well in that environment. I have to go home rinse it under warm water for a couple minutes just to turn the thing.

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AllTheWatches

Thanks for that! I know many want to get in the Sub vs. SMP debate, but the SMP fails at too many of the basics. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy it and love wearing the one I have, but for a watch so beloved, its flaws are hard to ignore. If I wear mine to the beach, forget trying to rotate the bezel, the one thing it should do well in that environment. I have to go home rinse it under warm water for a couple minutes just to turn the thing.

I am on record as thinking the Sub is the dullest watch in the world. But it is very competent in the way that things that have been iterated on for a seven decades often are.

I think the closest analog to the Sub is not the SMP, but the SeaQ which I think matches and beats it across many of the relevant metrics including bracelet.

The SMP to me is in the same tier as the BB58, SuperOcean, Pelagos, or the Prospex LX divers. Exceptional watches with one or two rather serious flaws. Whether or not those flaws are deal breakers is up to the individual collector

And now that I've made everyone here a personal enemy.....

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Edge168n

I am on record as thinking the Sub is the dullest watch in the world. But it is very competent in the way that things that have been iterated on for a seven decades often are.

I think the closest analog to the Sub is not the SMP, but the SeaQ which I think matches and beats it across many of the relevant metrics including bracelet.

The SMP to me is in the same tier as the BB58, SuperOcean, Pelagos, or the Prospex LX divers. Exceptional watches with one or two rather serious flaws. Whether or not those flaws are deal breakers is up to the individual collector

And now that I've made everyone here a personal enemy.....

I truly think the only folks that try to argue the SMP over Sub never owned or wore a Sub. Let the pitchforks happen I say. I am a Sub fan, but do not disagree with you at all. It is the Porsche 911 of watches. Boring, but competent with tiny iterations along the way with only nerds knowing the difference.

Cannot argue about the GO. While I do not care for the dial, if I am trying to show how masterful watches can be, I will pull out a GO, flip to the case back and then I lose friends as they leave the party, but at least I know how awesome a double bridge movement looks.

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AllTheWatches

I truly think the only folks that try to argue the SMP over Sub never owned or wore a Sub. Let the pitchforks happen I say. I am a Sub fan, but do not disagree with you at all. It is the Porsche 911 of watches. Boring, but competent with tiny iterations along the way with only nerds knowing the difference.

Cannot argue about the GO. While I do not care for the dial, if I am trying to show how masterful watches can be, I will pull out a GO, flip to the case back and then I lose friends as they leave the party, but at least I know how awesome a double bridge movement looks.

Forget your 911s, give me my fragile and poorly made British sports cars with factory spec indifference in every unit!

No wonder I'm a Seiko fan.

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Edge168n

Forget your 911s, give me my fragile and poorly made British sports cars with factory spec indifference in every unit!

No wonder I'm a Seiko fan.

Yes, the joys of loving Lotus, Trumphs, and OG Minis.

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Edge168n

I am on record as thinking the Sub is the dullest watch in the world. But it is very competent in the way that things that have been iterated on for a seven decades often are.

I think the closest analog to the Sub is not the SMP, but the SeaQ which I think matches and beats it across many of the relevant metrics including bracelet.

The SMP to me is in the same tier as the BB58, SuperOcean, Pelagos, or the Prospex LX divers. Exceptional watches with one or two rather serious flaws. Whether or not those flaws are deal breakers is up to the individual collector

And now that I've made everyone here a personal enemy.....

Wait what??!!!

Yes...The Sub is the Captain Boring of watches (but the Sub Captain Boring is still a well made tool watch, when not in precious metals) and SM300 is an great looking but horrible diving/tool watch.

One of my colleagues at work (who is the complete opposite of an outdoorsman) has already managed to horribly scuff the AR on the front of his crystal on his SM, and he struggles to work the bezel as well. 😣

BUT ... how dare you mention the LX or Prospex Seikos in the same disparaging breath!!

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These guys are the bomb! fit even tiny 6" wrists perfectly, all night lume, and they have a date so when I'm keeping track of time when phone dead and there is no cell signal - I know when I've got to start heading back! (also, if I wear at work, I write a date on official docs 20x a day and having instant check for that on wrist is wonderful!) And the LX (Ti !💖💖) is ~ +1 second per month.

Ok, my biased rant is over.

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That ALaS isn't the most beautiful minimalist watch - this is!

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And - it's made from 'brilliant titanium'! - which despite weighing nothing looks like 904 to me!

I generally dislike dressy watches but constantly think about borrowing 20k from my retirement funds to have this one sit around on my desk to look at, since I'd worry too much if I wore it.

Ok, sorry - I'm really losing the plot here.

My one sighting last week was on the wrist of my waiter at a fancy Belgian restaurant called Chambar during a work dinner.

Our waiter, an young Asian guy with hair in a ponytail, all black clothes and a black necktie/ neck scarf (it was hard to tell which) had a big white Hamilton Jazzmaster with that dial cutaway. I complimented it and surprised he responded "Thanks, and I looooove your Grand Seiko!"

No convo past that, as our table of 12 calling him in all directions at the same time, but was impressed he knew a GS from a distance!

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Wait what??!!!

Yes...The Sub is the Captain Boring of watches (but the Sub Captain Boring is still a well made tool watch, when not in precious metals) and SM300 is an great looking but horrible diving/tool watch.

One of my colleagues at work (who is the complete opposite of an outdoorsman) has already managed to horribly scuff the AR on the front of his crystal on his SM, and he struggles to work the bezel as well. 😣

BUT ... how dare you mention the LX or Prospex Seikos in the same disparaging breath!!

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These guys are the bomb! fit even tiny 6" wrists perfectly, all night lume, and they have a date so when I'm keeping track of time when phone dead and there is no cell signal - I know when I've got to start heading back! (also, if I wear at work, I write a date on official docs 20x a day and having instant check for that on wrist is wonderful!) And the LX (Ti !💖💖) is ~ +1 second per month.

Ok, my biased rant is over.

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That ALaS isn't the most beautiful minimalist watch - this is!

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And - it's made from 'brilliant titanium'! - which despite weighing nothing looks like 904 to me!

I generally dislike dressy watches but constantly think about borrowing 20k from my retirement funds to have this one sit around on my desk to look at, since I'd worry too much if I wore it.

Ok, sorry - I'm really losing the plot here.

My one sighting last week was on the wrist of my waiter at a fancy Belgian restaurant called Chambar during a work dinner.

Our waiter, an young Asian guy with hair in a ponytail, all black clothes and a black necktie/ neck scarf (it was hard to tell which) had a big white Hamilton Jazzmaster with that dial cutaway. I complimented it and surprised he responded "Thanks, and I looooove your Grand Seiko!"

No convo past that, as our table of 12 calling him in all directions at the same time, but was impressed he knew a GS from a distance!

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Excellent spot and sounds like a great little connection!

As for the Prospex LX.....it's very tall, pins and collars, and I don't like the clasp.

These are the sorts of drawbacks that I accept in many watches I love. But you know....they're still drawbacks!

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Edge168n

Excellent spot and sounds like a great little connection!

As for the Prospex LX.....it's very tall, pins and collars, and I don't like the clasp.

These are the sorts of drawbacks that I accept in many watches I love. But you know....they're still drawbacks!

Sadly, you make excellent points

My saving graces: The Moonlit Ocean SNR043 is rubber only!  Ha!  😜. The priciest LX diver doesn’t have a bracelet option!

I generally prefer a heavy duty rubber strap with beefy 2.5mm springbars, so 043 is perfect

I’m a weirdo who has zero issues with pin and collar bracelets, due to knowing no other options and lots of practice., So it doesn’t figure into liking or disliking for me

At 110 grams on band, and with low center of gravity, it wraps my wrist and feels invisible. So many of my other ‘shorter’ dive watches actually feel taller.

All that said, you are correct ✅ A little shorter so it doesn’t catch on anything (rope, gunwale, shrouds, shirts, etc) would be a lovely improvement! 🤝

I plan to try on some GS divers to see if I like them better - but tough to justify as my LX is awfully good.

Hope you can come to LA on Nov 3rd! my friend!

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I always look forward to this column @Edge168n. Such good observations and engaging backstories.

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celinesimon

I always look forward to this column @Edge168n. Such good observations and engaging backstories.

Thanks! I feel lucky that I seem to come across such cool watches and also such cool people!

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Great post about #hamilton and #alangeandsohne 💪

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Spotted this beauty at an Indian restaurant on the wrist of a husband on a date with his wife.

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Franks

Great post about #hamilton and #alangeandsohne 💪

Thank you!

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watchobsessed

Spotted this beauty at an Indian restaurant on the wrist of a husband on a date with his wife.

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Excellent spot and love seeing a Seamaster!