I found a mechanical chronograph which I like the look of - anyone have knowledge about the movement?
Hello fellow crunchers/crunchettes!
This is the new "Tissot PR516 Mechanical Chronograph", I absolutely love how it looks and it's one of the few "entry" chronographs where I would be able to wear because of the (in my opinion) reasonable thickness.
It's a watch I could slowly work my way towards getting in the next two or three years. I want to know if anyone has a clue about the reliability/serviceability of the movement (or whether in say 20 years Tissot would still be able to service/replace the movement - a hard question I know). The fact that Tissot service costs are a lot more affordable then other watchmakers is a huge factor for me too.
The movement is apparently a modified variant of the "Valjoux 7753".
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Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
Sad to hear, thanks for the info. Much appreciated
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
I also guess that because watchmakers are hard to find that the industry has had to resort to replacement instead of repair?
A 7753 is a variation of the ETA/Valjoux 7750.
They are in use since the 80s, but are based on even older designs. A stock 7753 can be serviced by any watchmaker worth leaving your watch with.
However.. Tissot made several modifications to up the power reserve and make it handwound., I can't tell you how much that impacts serviceability.
It's a good looking watch for sure.
I also guess that because watchmakers are hard to find that the industry has had to resort to replacement instead of repair?
Yes, and I believe this is more of an issue for brands like Tissot than the high-end ones.
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
Exactly this. So many mid-tier watches will end up in drawers not running because of service costs while cheaper watches can just swap out a NH movement for $50 and keep going.
you could look for watches with the NE88, better than the 7750 and serviceable!
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
I've also found Tissot/ETA movements delicate and fiddley to work on. Some also contain plastic parts including the escape wheel and pallet fork.
I also guess that because watchmakers are hard to find that the industry has had to resort to replacement instead of repair?
Labour in 1st world countries is expensive and so is the rent and power. Movements are cheaper to replace than service now so its just a sign of the times.
Suggest you consider a Tissot Quartz as your dollar will go a lot further.
FYI; I have a Tissot quartz Visiodate and it is a terrific watch (absolutely beautiful).
While, a more expensive Tissot Powermatic 80 required warranty service.
With quartz you are saving money, by not paying for the movement, while getting the watch case and design you want. On higher end watches the movement is part of a whole package.
Same thing with PRX - consider quartz.
Wow, that’s a very nice watch with a good chronograph movement.
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
Why? That’s a pretty big assumption? I have a chronograph with a Valjoux 7750, 24 years old serviced at year 21 because I dropped it for the upteenth time and chronograph seconds didn’t reset to zero. It was still keeping great time. A lot has been assumed with Tissot and the PRX with it’s plastic parts they have, but we haven’t even gotten to this arbitrary 10 year life span I’ve been reading about and having to replace the entire movement. And when did this become a industry standard for entry level watches, I’ve only seen this assumption with Tissot and PRX.
Big company that will be around because it's part of the Swatch group. It's such a looker. Can't wait to see people's real world pictures. Save and enjoy!!
Forgot the Tissot CSOC looks great in person and it is reasonably priced. IMHO there is real value in that watch.
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Why? That’s a pretty big assumption? I have a chronograph with a Valjoux 7750, 24 years old serviced at year 21 because I dropped it for the upteenth time and chronograph seconds didn’t reset to zero. It was still keeping great time. A lot has been assumed with Tissot and the PRX with it’s plastic parts they have, but we haven’t even gotten to this arbitrary 10 year life span I’ve been reading about and having to replace the entire movement. And when did this become a industry standard for entry level watches, I’ve only seen this assumption with Tissot and PRX.
This is a watch I own with valjoux 7753 moment, the red circle indicates the adjustment lever. Unless I am horribly mistaken, the Tissot does not have this.
If you think you can find a watchmaker that can adjust the beat rate by repositioning the screws on the Tissot, good luck.
The service life of "ten years or so" is arbitary as you said, but that doesn't change the fact that the movement is disposable, not serviceable...
Valjoux 7753 is basically a 7750 without day complication and has a pusher (at 10 o'clock) to adjust date.
This one seems to be further modified by removing the rotor and date wheel. Moreover, it seems to lack an adjustment lever, meaning when it is due for a service, sending it back to Tissot is the only option.
As far as mechanical chronographs movements go, 7750 is one of the most robust. However, like the PRX I would consider this an unserviceable movement that needs to be replaced every 10 years or so. And I think this is where the industry is headed in general, if disassembly by a watchmaker costs more than the parts, why bother?
Its serviceable…
Why? That’s a pretty big assumption? I have a chronograph with a Valjoux 7750, 24 years old serviced at year 21 because I dropped it for the upteenth time and chronograph seconds didn’t reset to zero. It was still keeping great time. A lot has been assumed with Tissot and the PRX with it’s plastic parts they have, but we haven’t even gotten to this arbitrary 10 year life span I’ve been reading about and having to replace the entire movement. And when did this become a industry standard for entry level watches, I’ve only seen this assumption with Tissot and PRX.
Swapping the movement during service is common practice for many watch manufacturers in the “entry level” category. Even TAG will swap the Sellita and send you back the original one. It doesn’t mean that the movements aren’t serviceable, just that it’s cheaper to swap it.
I’m not a big fan of using plastic in movements, but I haven’t seen any solid evidence that it’s been an issue whatsoever. Tissot factory service costs are very low because of this “swap it in” system. They will swap your movement with a serviced one, and then your old one goes through a servicing, and placed in someone else’s watch.
This keeps costs down for the customer, and cuts service time down significantly.