Do as I say, not as I do

I was going to write a post about how my avarice made me buy my fourth Croton/Nivada Grenchen and how unnecessary it was. I never started out trying to collect this little niche of horological history. Sometimes it just happens. And then I looked closely at what I had and decided that this will be another type of post.

@Porthole and others have given very good advice about buying vintage watches. Ignore it at your peril. I will say that I ignore that advice sometimes. When I troll eBay for bargain vintage I will often linger on sellers with 100% ratings who sell a lot, just not many watches. Watch sellers know what they have. The garage/estate sale bargain hunter doesn't know a Pontiac or an Onsa. They only know Rolex and Omega. The other brands can be had under true value. Often pictures from these sellers are blurry. If you look through their other listings and the same lack of care is used you can guess that the picture is not deceptive.

This isn't a bad looking watch. It was not expensive. The dauphine handset and patterned dial place it firmly in the 1950's. The plating is mostly intact and the lugs are cool. It is very thin with more than half of its height being crystal. I wish that I could feel more joy about this purchase. It was losing more minutes per 24/hours than I am comfortable with so I "popped the back" as we always tell people to do BEFORE they buy a vintage watch. Good news is that it is running much better now. Bad news is this:

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A clean running movement that should say Croton Nivada Grenchen says Effem Watch Meyer. It's not a bad movement. Nivada sourced movements from several companies. However, they were all labeled as Nivada. And, I can find no evidence that any movement ever came from Effem. Effem was a Fritz Meyer brand. It is not common. Meyer was the founder of Roamer, and vintage Roamer is a quality product (as long as it is not a sub-continent fantasy). The movement is fine. I think that it probably is an old repair/replacement. I could live with that maybe.

As I have aged I have lost some of my near vision. I wear readers. Often, I see that a watch of mine needs to be cleaned AFTER I post a picture on WRUW. The camera magnifies and sees what I can not. I wish that I had not seen this:

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Those reflecting squares are not original. They have been roughly and inexpertly glued to the dial surface. It probably could be cleaned and lightly restored to the dial's original condition. But, is it worth it? I think not.

A non-watch person would think that this is a pretty vintage watch that keeps reasonable time. A watch person would be shaking their head and thinking how happy they were that they followed advice when it was offered. Sometimes knowledge doesn't increase happiness.

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Not a bad looking watch all said. I would still wear it as a sample of how to keep old parts viable by using what you can find and then making it your own.

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It’s a nice watch, but it has been played with, and if you know you know… shame. Sometimes people should just leave things be.

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Correct, ignorance is bliss

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This is an excellent post. Thank you for sharing your experience. I too share your love of vintage watches and similarly find myself scrolling through ebay. While I have only purchased a couple watches there, I have been super lucky in getting the real deal both times. But that comes through research, intuition, lots of questions, requests for more images when necessary, and the old adage of buying the seller and not the watch. And to that last point, any seller who gets offended about questions or says they can't open the back of the watch is probably not someone you want to work with. However, no matter how confident I am in the seller and watch, that's not to say there still isn't a little bit of nervousness once I hit the "buy" button.

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OmegaMan75

This is an excellent post. Thank you for sharing your experience. I too share your love of vintage watches and similarly find myself scrolling through ebay. While I have only purchased a couple watches there, I have been super lucky in getting the real deal both times. But that comes through research, intuition, lots of questions, requests for more images when necessary, and the old adage of buying the seller and not the watch. And to that last point, any seller who gets offended about questions or says they can't open the back of the watch is probably not someone you want to work with. However, no matter how confident I am in the seller and watch, that's not to say there still isn't a little bit of nervousness once I hit the "buy" button.

Thanks. I have had many more successes than failures. I was due for a dud.

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I remain ignorant of aspects of my vintage watches on purpose. Vintage is such a double edged sword!

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Did you buy with your head or your heart?

I always buy with my heart I’ve just got to like the watch, someone tried to put my first Breitling down on the first day I wore it by informing me that the watch is not 100% made by Breitling the movement wasn’t Breitling, the statement hurt because it was from a so called friend but my retort was I still love it, so if you bought with your heart enjoy and love with the minor discrepancies. It’s a nice looking watch and I also like the lugs 👍🏻

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Bayl61

Did you buy with your head or your heart?

I always buy with my heart I’ve just got to like the watch, someone tried to put my first Breitling down on the first day I wore it by informing me that the watch is not 100% made by Breitling the movement wasn’t Breitling, the statement hurt because it was from a so called friend but my retort was I still love it, so if you bought with your heart enjoy and love with the minor discrepancies. It’s a nice looking watch and I also like the lugs 👍🏻

You should only buy what you like, it’s your wrist. I cringe a little when I consider the first “luxury” watch I bought with my first paycheck, but it was an Aquaracer Calibre S Regatta timer, and I didn’t care that it was meca-quartz, or a Tag, but it looked good and I wore it. I quickly bought a vintage Chronostop to get back on brand, but that is the rub.

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Nice watch I own two Nivadas.. one vintage auto and one newer quartz. The brand is resurrected today as a joint Swiss/Mexico venture.

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it's worn. I like to think the wearer enjoyed it. I say keep that tradition going.

They did or had some work done on the dial. It looks crooked but it is now part of that watch, just like the movement.

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Mant do not make it through the vintage minefield unscathed but you came out on top. good job and a pretty watch