Another day I posted this pool asking about watch insurance and I noticed that a lot of people don't have it.
https://www.watchcrunch.com/thiago/posts/do-you-have-insurance-for-your-watches-10979
That makes me think about other ways to protect my collection.
I would like to read from you if you have another alternative to protect your watches?
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I have all of my nice watches on my home owners policy, as long as they are under $10K I don't have to have an appraisal. I am basically buddies with my insurance guy now since my house was hit by a tornado last year, I just text him when I get a new watch and he adds it. I also keep my watches in a room that can be shut off when there are workers or strangers in the house and have a large safe.
My watches are covered under my home insurance, since none of them are expensive/rare, that's all I need.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005P12C5A/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bolted down, it ain't going anywhere!
I have all of my nice watches on my home owners policy, as long as they are under $10K I don't have to have an appraisal. I am basically buddies with my insurance guy now since my house was hit by a tornado last year, I just text him when I get a new watch and he adds it. I also keep my watches in a room that can be shut off when there are workers or strangers in the house and have a large safe.
I never thought of my home insurance. Time to check the limits, deductible (ugh) and requirements for personal property protection on my policy. Maybe I'm already covered. Thanks
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005P12C5A/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bolted down, it ain't going anywhere!
even better!
Genius!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005P12C5A/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bolted down, it ain't going anywhere!
I always thought safes are for thieves what Kinder Eggs are for kids.
I really don't want anyone having the idea of waiting for me so I can open it.
Respectfully, I don't think the airtag is going to make a difference, largely because I would imagine the crims would toss the box and paraphernalia literally as quickly as possible. Easier to stuff loose watches in bags than a whole box.
I also think safes just increase the chance of someone telling me at gunpoint to open it.
I keep anything remotely precious in a safe deposit box at a bank somewhere else. I actually have shockingly few watches on me at any given time.
Respectfully, I don't think the airtag is going to make a difference, largely because I would imagine the crims would toss the box and paraphernalia literally as quickly as possible. Easier to stuff loose watches in bags than a whole box.
I also think safes just increase the chance of someone telling me at gunpoint to open it.
I keep anything remotely precious in a safe deposit box at a bank somewhere else. I actually have shockingly few watches on me at any given time.
The idea of a AirTag is just having notifications if the box was moved. 30 bucks for a little extra layer of security.
The idea of a AirTag is just having notifications if the box was moved. 30 bucks for a little extra layer of security.
What I mean is, I don't think it a criminal would necessarily even move the box. Like, it would be much easier to hid a sack full of loose watches underneath a jacket than it would be to even pickup the box or the watch pillows. It's not like they're going to care if they get scratched by being jumbled together, if they're just trying to make a quick resale.
Unless the Airtag is sensitive to within a couple of feet (I don't own one so I don't know), I'm having a tough time envisioning the utility. One man's opinion.
I always thought safes are for thieves what Kinder Eggs are for kids.
I really don't want anyone having the idea of waiting for me so I can open it.
Hmmm... I guess it all depends upon what sorts of situations one imagines one might end up in. If I go back to first principles, here's my particular logic flow:
Random criminals who want money
For criminals who want money, the safe will thwart their aims. They find it, they can't remove it, and if they happen to have the type of equipment to drill through and saw apart a safe, it would make such a racket that they would quickly be discovered.
How about the case where someone is waiting to jump you when you're standing in front of your safe?
Random criminals who want stuff so badly they'd engage in violence
For group members, it's a moot point. Unless you live in group territory, they wouldn't even know you existed, that you had a safe, much less to wait around for you to open it.
And, if you do live in group territory, the only rational thing to do is get the f*ck outta there!
Legitimate workers who are criminals
This is the true danger. The solution here is to simply have camera systems set up all over the house - Ring and Google Nest home security systems are incredibly cheap and easy to set up. The manual laboring criminal absolutely doesn't want to get caught. He probably has low executive function and when he sees some valuables, knowing that he could easily get them at some point when you're not home, he gives in to temptation - he's got a hyperbolic discount rate. So, if you make the danger / cost to him high enough (prominently displayed security cameras throughout the house), that's probably enough to overcome the hyperbolic discount threshold.
What always blows my mind are all the stories you read about rich people being bludgeoned to death in their own homes, and it's never the butler who did it - it was some handyman, or the lawn maintenance dude, or one of the guys who came to work on the roof. And it takes like 2 weeks for the police to catch the perpetrator who always says, "I just meant to grab the diamond necklaces when nobody was around, and then he came home in the middle of the day and I had no choice."
Why don't these people have camera and security systems in their homes??? Craziness.
Regardless, I fail to see how in any of the above 3 scenarios, having a safe in which to store your valuables makes it more likely for your valuables to get stolen!
Hide them in the books on your bookshelf…thieves will never look there…Thank You, Chris Rock
Keep your expensive watches at the back of a bottom drawer, and have one display box filled with overly blingy Invicta's on show.
The joke is on any thief trying to sell them on later!
Hmmm... I guess it all depends upon what sorts of situations one imagines one might end up in. If I go back to first principles, here's my particular logic flow:
Random criminals who want money
For criminals who want money, the safe will thwart their aims. They find it, they can't remove it, and if they happen to have the type of equipment to drill through and saw apart a safe, it would make such a racket that they would quickly be discovered.
How about the case where someone is waiting to jump you when you're standing in front of your safe?
Random criminals who want stuff so badly they'd engage in violence
For group members, it's a moot point. Unless you live in group territory, they wouldn't even know you existed, that you had a safe, much less to wait around for you to open it.
And, if you do live in group territory, the only rational thing to do is get the f*ck outta there!
Legitimate workers who are criminals
This is the true danger. The solution here is to simply have camera systems set up all over the house - Ring and Google Nest home security systems are incredibly cheap and easy to set up. The manual laboring criminal absolutely doesn't want to get caught. He probably has low executive function and when he sees some valuables, knowing that he could easily get them at some point when you're not home, he gives in to temptation - he's got a hyperbolic discount rate. So, if you make the danger / cost to him high enough (prominently displayed security cameras throughout the house), that's probably enough to overcome the hyperbolic discount threshold.
What always blows my mind are all the stories you read about rich people being bludgeoned to death in their own homes, and it's never the butler who did it - it was some handyman, or the lawn maintenance dude, or one of the guys who came to work on the roof. And it takes like 2 weeks for the police to catch the perpetrator who always says, "I just meant to grab the diamond necklaces when nobody was around, and then he came home in the middle of the day and I had no choice."
Why don't these people have camera and security systems in their homes??? Craziness.
Regardless, I fail to see how in any of the above 3 scenarios, having a safe in which to store your valuables makes it more likely for your valuables to get stolen!
These are valid scenarios, however, I rather follow the basics:
Don't let strangers get in:
- Locks, Fences, etc;
If they are in, monitor them the maximum as possible:
- Stay at home when strangers are there, remove/obstruct/Lock stuff if you can't stay at home with them
- Use as many cameras and, in this case, movement sensors as possible (like this AirTag).
If they are already in the house with bad intentions:
- Encourage them to leave as soon as possible (alarms, etc). Don't tempt them to stay any longer, that is why I am against safes.
It is just a 30 bucks for a little extra layer of security after all.
Hide them in the books on your bookshelf…thieves will never look there…Thank You, Chris Rock
Classic!
https://www.artofmanliness.com/skills/how-to/how-to-make-a-secret-book-safe/
That reminds me my time on university... not watch related 😜
Classic!
https://www.artofmanliness.com/skills/how-to/how-to-make-a-secret-book-safe/
That reminds me my time on university... not watch related 😜
Haha! At the end of the article, it asks: have you ever made a Book Safe?
NO! Unless I’m Andy from Shawshank or a hitman - who would?? 😂😂😂
I have all of my nice watches on my home owners policy, as long as they are under $10K I don't have to have an appraisal. I am basically buddies with my insurance guy now since my house was hit by a tornado last year, I just text him when I get a new watch and he adds it. I also keep my watches in a room that can be shut off when there are workers or strangers in the house and have a large safe.
Glad you do this! I’m an insurance agent and have a few guys like yourself who text me their pickups and I add it. Very affordable to add them
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005P12C5A/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bolted down, it ain't going anywhere!
Brian, may I suggest upgrading to a Stealth safe in the same size? Sadly, Sentry safes are super easy to pick, and this specific lock can be done with relative ease (See LPLs vids for a few example). This one can be foiled by a bic pen. :-)
Granted, your average thieves aren’t bright and break ins are crimes of convenience, but still. Also, clearly I spent too much time messing with locks during COVID. :-)
https://www.stealthsafes.com/pages/hs4-ul-home-safe
I have all of my nice watches on my home owners policy, as long as they are under $10K I don't have to have an appraisal. I am basically buddies with my insurance guy now since my house was hit by a tornado last year, I just text him when I get a new watch and he adds it. I also keep my watches in a room that can be shut off when there are workers or strangers in the house and have a large safe.
Agreed. When you are being assessed by the insurance company they will ask if your house has cctv, alarm systems, safe etc. Inventorize your watches with valuations and photos. But lets be honest. If a burglar has set his mind to it, even your safes arent....well...safe!
Agreed. When you are being assessed by the insurance company they will ask if your house has cctv, alarm systems, safe etc. Inventorize your watches with valuations and photos. But lets be honest. If a burglar has set his mind to it, even your safes arent....well...safe!
Correct, enough time and tools, no safe is safe. That said, it’s very unlikely. Having a safe is tremulously beneficially for most break-ins where it’s about getting in and out as quickly as possible. Getting a 500lb+ safe out is going to draw attention.
Brian, may I suggest upgrading to a Stealth safe in the same size? Sadly, Sentry safes are super easy to pick, and this specific lock can be done with relative ease (See LPLs vids for a few example). This one can be foiled by a bic pen. :-)
Granted, your average thieves aren’t bright and break ins are crimes of convenience, but still. Also, clearly I spent too much time messing with locks during COVID. :-)
https://www.stealthsafes.com/pages/hs4-ul-home-safe
Damn! It's like the old Kryptonite bike locks! Designed to be completely foolproof... except against bic pens!
All right. Definitely time to buy that Stealth safe. Thank you for the link, my man!
Agreed. When you are being assessed by the insurance company they will ask if your house has cctv, alarm systems, safe etc. Inventorize your watches with valuations and photos. But lets be honest. If a burglar has set his mind to it, even your safes arent....well...safe!
I mean my safe is like 500lbs and bolted to the concrete floor… haha