I replaced a Miyota 8215 movement...here's what happened

Before I talk about the process of replacing the movement, here's a quick background as to what led to this.

I was gifted a Rotary automatic watch by my wife, and I absolutely love it. I think it's a beautiful watch, it feels very well built, and ofcourse it's mechanical. Unfortuantly, it was dropped and the shock led to the movement inside being damaged. I could have had it repaired but it would have been silly (it would cost well over £300). For a basic Miyota movement, I couldn't justify the price.

So instead I decided to fix it myself. I had no tools so needed to buy those, along with a new movement. The original movement is the Miyota 8215, which is now discontinued. It has been replaced by the Miyota 8315 (it's got some nice upgrades like an increased power reserve and hacking). I bought a set of screwdrivers, hand removal tool, hand placement tool, dial protector, rodico, and some tweesers. These are the essentials (as well as a caseback removal tool, which I already had). These cost around £50 in total from Cousins UK (5* from my experience). Alongside these I bought the movement (also from Cousins UK), which cost around £55.

Now comes the hard part. First I took the movement out of the case by removing the screwed on caseback and taking out the crown (quite easy to do).

Next I used a dial protector, and using the hand removal tool took the hands off the watch. First mistake was not taking a picture prior to removing the hands, because there was a small piece which flew off when I did this and I have no idea how it’s supposed to go on. In the end, I left it off and everything seems to work. I’ve kept it safe incase I need it later.

Next, I had to take the dial off the movement, which I was able to do fairly easily by loosening the two screws for the dial feet. This allowed me to separate the movement from the dial.

Now it was time to put the dial on the new movement. Unfortunately, I also had to transfer the dial screws from the broken movement to the new one. This was really tricky, as the screws are absolutely tiny (holding them with tweezers and trying to insert them into the hole is almost impossible). This took me a good 15 minutes to do, and lots of mishaps like dropping them on the floor (crawling around with a flash trying to find them). I ended up using the Rodico to hold the dial in place, then hold the screw with tweezers in one hand and the screwdriver in the other. This was I could hold the screw in place and turn it at the same time. Finally, once they were in, I aligned the dial to the movement and tightened the screws.

The penultimate step was to place the hands. Remember that piece which flung off earlier when I took the hands off? I tried to initially place it below the hour hand, but it never looked right, so I decided to just leave it off. The hour hand went on fairly easily, but the minute hand took a few tries. I think it was at this point that I unknowingly broke the stem for the second’s hand. The thing is, I don’t have a loupe (another mistake), so I couldn’t even see the stem to begin with. I only realised it was broken after trying and failing countless times to get the seconds hand back on. In the end I watched a video on youtube where they show the stem with a macro lens. I looked for it on my movement and couldn’t spot it, so I definitely broke it at some point. I’ve had to leave the second hand off.

With the hour and minute hand on, I put the crown back in to check it everything works fine (it does), took the crown back out, put the dial+movement back in the case, put the crown in, and put the caseback back on. Job done.

But I found 1 last issue. Setting the date is very hard. Pulling the crown out goes straight to time setting, pushing it in goes back to the winding position. It’s very hard to set it to the date setting position, and I don’t know why. This was not the case when the movement was outside. It could be that the original crown stem is the wrong length? I’m not sure, but I have no intention of fixing it anytime soon.

Lessons learnt:

  • Always use a loupe

  • Take pictures at every stage of disassembly so you can reference them when re-assembling

  • Do this somewhere that won’t be touched or disturbed by others

  • Leave yourself plenty of time as it’s a very tedious job (took me over 3 hours or so)

  • Be very gentle with setting the hands

  • Watch plenty of youtube videos before even starting so you know what to expect

  • Everything is tiny, it looks wayyy bigger when you watch youtube videos

  • It’s quite fun and frustrating at the same time

  • You will probably break something if you’re new to it like me, so do it on a cheap watch (or one that’s broken anyway)

I know it’s a long read but I hope it can help others if they’re attempting something similar.

Thanks for reading. Let me know your thoughts.

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As someone is about to start the journey into watch repairs and movement swaps, I'm grateful for your post and highlighting the mistakes, thanks.

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you're welcome, I'm glad it helped. are you planning to take on a project like this?

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yes they are and as I'm not used to handling screws and bits so small, it was very tough to deal with

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Stricko

As someone is about to start the journey into watch repairs and movement swaps, I'm grateful for your post and highlighting the mistakes, thanks.

im glad it helped 🙂 all the best with your endeavour, i look forward to reading your posts :)

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Good write up! I took a quartz watch I messed up on while changing the battery and was flabbergasted at how small everything is.

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Agree, Cousins are a 5* supplier. Very reasonable prices too.

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Bzilla

Good write up! I took a quartz watch I messed up on while changing the battery and was flabbergasted at how small everything is.

thank you. i wouldn't know how to fix a quartz. if the electronics break how can you repair it?

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TyrogScot

Agree, Cousins are a 5* supplier. Very reasonable prices too.

100%

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yes I would say take your time to understand what's required before starting

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KhwajaH

thank you. i wouldn't know how to fix a quartz. if the electronics break how can you repair it?

In my case it was an analog quartz watch, I lost a spring and a screw so I decided to take it apart. Sometimes those movements can be repaired, I've seen people change various electronic components on quartz watches, there's a good amount of hobbyists who revive vintage digital watches. It seems a bit more complicated than mechanical watch repair to me.

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Since the tiny piece came off when you removed the hands, do you think it could be a cap that covers the hole where the hands are placed? On some watches, there's a cap there.

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Bzilla

In my case it was an analog quartz watch, I lost a spring and a screw so I decided to take it apart. Sometimes those movements can be repaired, I've seen people change various electronic components on quartz watches, there's a good amount of hobbyists who revive vintage digital watches. It seems a bit more complicated than mechanical watch repair to me.

yeah I bet! did you find the replacement parts easily or was it difficult to do so?

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caktaylor

Since the tiny piece came off when you removed the hands, do you think it could be a cap that covers the hole where the hands are placed? On some watches, there's a cap there.

Honestly I'm not really sure. When I look at pictures of the watch before taking it apart i cant see this piece. I assume it goes on before the hour hand, but not really sure about it's purpose.

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KhwajaH

yeah I bet! did you find the replacement parts easily or was it difficult to do so?

I didn't bother trying to fix the watch, getting all the stuff I would need would've cost more than I paid for the watch, but I learned that I'm probably better off not messing around with watches because I don't have the temperament for it ha ha! That watch was sorta beat up anyway, a steel Nixon I tolerated, really basic, not even with lume! But it looked cool and I paid like 50 bucks or so. Beat up because I would wear it to work.

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Bzilla

I didn't bother trying to fix the watch, getting all the stuff I would need would've cost more than I paid for the watch, but I learned that I'm probably better off not messing around with watches because I don't have the temperament for it ha ha! That watch was sorta beat up anyway, a steel Nixon I tolerated, really basic, not even with lume! But it looked cool and I paid like 50 bucks or so. Beat up because I would wear it to work.

yeah sometimes its better to just let it go. It cost me more than i'd have liked to fix this rotary, but it has a lot of sentimental value for me so I didn't want to ditch it. And i'm very glad to have had the opportunity to do the work!

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Awesome run down @KhwajaH I enjoyed the read and lessons 👍

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Edek_Hawker

Awesome run down @KhwajaH I enjoyed the read and lessons 👍

Thanks Zach, I appreciate your comment :)

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Hi @KhwajaH

Congrats! Nice watch and, I think, good and educational post (mainly for begginers).

My name is Diniz and I'm a hobbyist watchmaker here in Brazil (so escuse my poor english).

First my apologies but I slight disagree that the cost is not justified. There was the risk on doing that by yourself and as you said: "I was gifted a Rotary automatic watch by my wife, and I absolutely love it." Anyway, good starting and well learnt Lessons.

I searched for photos of this Rotary watch on the web and didn't notice any relevant difference on dial (only the second hand that you explained). Maybe the part that flew off when you removed hands was of the damaged movement. If you post a photo it could be helpfull.

About the winding stem and crown, I looked at the 8215 and 8315 drawing specs and the dimensions are the same, so I suspect that could be some misalingment or dirt on keyless works sector. When I get a new movement, usually I disassembly, clean all, assembly and lubricate it because we can't guarantee its good condition on seller deposits.

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diniz.bortolotto

Hi @KhwajaH

Congrats! Nice watch and, I think, good and educational post (mainly for begginers).

My name is Diniz and I'm a hobbyist watchmaker here in Brazil (so escuse my poor english).

First my apologies but I slight disagree that the cost is not justified. There was the risk on doing that by yourself and as you said: "I was gifted a Rotary automatic watch by my wife, and I absolutely love it." Anyway, good starting and well learnt Lessons.

I searched for photos of this Rotary watch on the web and didn't notice any relevant difference on dial (only the second hand that you explained). Maybe the part that flew off when you removed hands was of the damaged movement. If you post a photo it could be helpfull.

About the winding stem and crown, I looked at the 8215 and 8315 drawing specs and the dimensions are the same, so I suspect that could be some misalingment or dirt on keyless works sector. When I get a new movement, usually I disassembly, clean all, assembly and lubricate it because we can't guarantee its good condition on seller deposits.

Hi @diniz.bortolotto Indeed the sentimental value justifies the price to fix it (but £300 was out of my budget and I was interested in doing it myself :D).

Yes you could be right, I threw the piece away unfortunately and the watch functions perfectly well without it, so no real issue for me.

And as for the winding stem, that may very well be the case. I have had the watch for around 3 years before doing the change and in that time it is possible for dirt to have built up. I don't have the tools or skill to carry out any cleaning so I'm happy with it as is. It does take a bit of effort to change the date but as i rarely need to do that it's not too big of an issue.

Thank you for reading the post and commenting :)

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Thanks for sharing, I think it's cool you tried this, but I know myself too well that it would end up in disaster. I am just happy I learned to change the batteries in my quartz watches because I have a lot and the guy I go to charges 20 to do it and I also can resize my stainless steel bracelets. Other than that, I would pay for a movement to be replaced if the watch had sentimental value. I wonder what it would cost for that job.