Pick one: Tudor BB GMT S&G vs. Breitling Navitimer 46 vs. Zenith Defy Skyline Skeleton

Hello guys, I´m new in the town (here at WatchCrunch). I would like to buy new watch and these ones are my candidates:

  1. Tudor Black Bay GMT S&G, two-tone bracelet, 41 mm
  2. Breitling Navitimer, reverse panda dial with AOPA logo, leather strap with constrast stitching, 46 mm
  3. Zenith Defy Skyline Skeleton, black dial, steel brecelet + black rubber strap, 41 mm (new release from LVMH Watch Week 2023)

I know, I know, totally different manufacturers/brands, different styles, heritage, complications, material, sizes etc. Pricewise, we have a clear winner which is Tudor. I also like big watches so Breitling in 46 mm isn´t really problem (someone can concern this fact). And Zenith? Underrated very nice watch with easy interchangeable strap/bracelet, top movement and I really like degree of skeletonization.

Let´s discuss which one would you pick and why?

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Tudor, and it's not even close.

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the Zenith! just cool and unique imo.

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tudor or the navitimer. not really a fan of defy

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Navi all day and tomorrow.  I work a few AOPA fly-ins every year so I am little biased.  

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the Zenith is a flex piece for sure. I'm on team Zenith :)

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I'm a Tudor guy. It's all subjective love lol

Cheers!

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Navi?

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I'd pick the Navitimer

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Still no context. If you’re struggling I’d say none of them.

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Porthole

Still no context. If you’re struggling I’d say none of them.

What do you mean 'still no context'?

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j.kaspar

What do you mean 'still no context'?

  • Don’t know what you have
  • Don’t know what you need
  • Don‘t really know why those 3 as you admit they are completely different from each other
  • Don‘t know what you like because they are so different 
  • Don‘t know your motive: you seem to care about price, does value retention matter? 

If you are struggling I wouldn’t recommend throwing money at the problem.

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Tudor 

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Porthole
  • Don’t know what you have
  • Don’t know what you need
  • Don‘t really know why those 3 as you admit they are completely different from each other
  • Don‘t know what you like because they are so different 
  • Don‘t know your motive: you seem to care about price, does value retention matter? 

If you are struggling I wouldn’t recommend throwing money at the problem.

This ☝🏻

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I would have said the Tudor, had it not been a two-tone, the Breitling is too busy, so that leaves the Zenith. 

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41mm Navitimer. 

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Porthole
  • Don’t know what you have
  • Don’t know what you need
  • Don‘t really know why those 3 as you admit they are completely different from each other
  • Don‘t know what you like because they are so different 
  • Don‘t know your motive: you seem to care about price, does value retention matter? 

If you are struggling I wouldn’t recommend throwing money at the problem.

Ok, I have these watches:

  • Edox Les Bémonts Shade of Time Automatic, semi-skeleton, steel case, white dial, brown leather strap (ref. 85300-3-AIN)
  • Edox Chronorally-S F1 Sauber, quartz, steel case, blue dial, batman bezel (blue x black), black rubber strap (ref. 10229-3NBUCA-BUIN)
  • Edox Les Bémonts Chronograph Automatic, steel case, silver dial, black leather strap (ref. 01120-3-AIN)
  • Edox Chronoffshore-1 Automatic, skeleton, golden case (PVD, no gold), black ceramic bezel, black rubber strap (ref. 80099-37R-NIR)
  • Alpina Startimer Pilot Automatic, gunmetal steel case, dark blue dial, matching steel bracelet (ref. AL-525NN4TS6B)
  • Frederique Constant Flyback Chronograph Manufacture, steel case, dark blue dial, blue alligator leather strap (ref. FC-760N4H6)

So, yes, I have mostly Edox watches and yes, half of my collection has blue dial. Now, beside I really like Edox as brand and blue color, I would like to purchase watch in a higher class and mainly something different. 

If you ask me, what do I need? Nothing, nobody needs more than one watch, especially if we are talking about entry- or mid-luxury segment. I work in an office so I don´t need any robust or 100 ATM waterproof watch. But every robustness is welcomed, for sure (I know, Navi is only 3 ATM WR).

Even if I am white-collar person in my job, I would like to wear the watch I pick in my spare time with the t-shirt and shorts clothes on (again, Navi is more for shirt-time). Why these 3 watches? I don´t want a watch smaller than 41 mm (rather bigger than smaller, that´s the reason why Navi), I really like them all (as I like a many many watches). These 3 are just my favourites right now, nothing more. I like Navi for how it looks, it is big, tool watch, instantly recognisable, movement with quite long power reserve. In terms of Tudor, I love S&G, same power reserve. I can wear them everytime (don´t like wearing leather strap in a hot days for some 3-4 months a year), but non-visible movement which is dissapointment. I travel a lot, so GMT sounds good to me. And I like Zenith for the great movement (el primero 😍). I really like skeletons (I know, a lot of enthusiasts doesn´t), two strap/bracelet options, the brand will step up in the future imo.

Pricewise, less is (always) better but it is ok up to 10k USD/EUR. In terms of value, again, if value is going higher above the seller price, it´s always welcomed but none of them is Rolex, so I expect the value will going down. If it holds a value about 70%, it would be nice but there is no plan to change or sell the watch, I would like to keep it for atleast few years.

Just want to enjoy wearing it and look at it even without looking what the time is 😀

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Navitimer.. but 41 or 43mm.. so classic.. and Breitling is responsible for the way Chronograph Watches are build today.. 

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Easy pick for me given that this is on my wrist today:

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46mm is too big for my wrist, so that would kick out the Breitling as an initial matter.

Zenith makes a nice piece, but the problem with 36000vph movements and the El Primero in particular, is that they need to be serviced every 2-3 years instead of the 4-5 year interval of a 28800vph piece.

I'd go with the Tudor, mostly because I find the GMT, and traveller's GMT in particular, to be the most useful feature of the ones on offer.  The only thing that gives me pause about the S&G is that the gold is just capped and will wear through over decades of use.

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JBird7986

Easy pick for me given that this is on my wrist today:

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46mm is too big for my wrist, so that would kick out the Breitling as an initial matter.

Zenith makes a nice piece, but the problem with 36000vph movements and the El Primero in particular, is that they need to be serviced every 2-3 years instead of the 4-5 year interval of a 28800vph piece.

I'd go with the Tudor, mostly because I find the GMT, and traveller's GMT in particular, to be the most useful feature of the ones on offer.  The only thing that gives me pause about the S&G is that the gold is just capped and will wear through over decades of use.

It's an interesting point about the shorter service interval which definitely worth to consider. And the capped gold can be problem. But I asked about it in boutique and they told me it isn't. Gold is 0.3 mm thick. But I didn't expect anything than 'no problem, it's OK'. Thanks

@j.kaspar — One thing to consider about the Navitimer as a travel watch, is that you can use the slide rule to convert currency. When you're traveling that's HUGE in eliminating the guesswork on how much you're spending at any given time.

If you combine that with one of the Navitimers with the GMT (B04 movement), it's the one of the best kept secrets in the watch world. The B01 was designed by the same engineer who did Rolex's in-house movement for the Daytona. He actually improved on the design in the B01.

If a B04 movement is on the table for you, you also get the "traveler style GMT" that everyone on the internet fawns over, so it's like getting a GMT Master and a Daytona in one package...

PLUS a currency converter!

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(Navitimer GMT 48, local time is PDT and the GMT is tracking Paris)

In this example, I'll convert USD to the British Pound Sterling

Set the exchange rate to the red base 10 (right now £1 = $1.22)

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Then use the white dial to find the amount in GBP, and the corresponding USD is right under it! Here, you are dining out and receive the bill for £67... glancing at the watch, you'll know that your cost was $55!

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