What does Rolex have to do with Marvel's poopification, streaming movies, and those weird DVD bundles at Walmart? AKA, how Rolex's purchase of Bucherer was a terrible, terrible mistake on their part

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My love of all things Marvel Comics

When I was 10 years-old, my cousin and I went to the supermarket with my aunt, and we were being so annoying that she told us to hang out by the newsstand, while she did the grocery shopping.  In one of those rotating magazine racks, I saw this…

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I picked it up, read 1 page, and couldn’t put it down.  Although our families were incredibly poor, my aunt bought the comic book for me, and Fantastic Four #277 for my cousin that night, and thus began my nearly 4 decade-long love affair with Marvel Comics.

When Iron Man hit the theaters in 2008, I was incredibly skeptical.  I thought, “Why did they choose to release a film about a B-tier character that no comic book fan really cares about?  Why wouldn’t they do something popular?”  I hadn’t realized that Marvel Studios had sold off all the film rights to the popular characters (X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc.) when they’d gone through their financial difficulties in the early 90’s.  And, then imagine my surprise when the film turned out to be not only good, but great!

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From 2008’s Iron Man, to the culmination of Avengers: Endgame in 2019, everything had gone right in the world.  I mean, the writing and directing in the MCU was so good they were able to take D-tier characters, like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and even the frickin' Guardians of the Galaxy, and turn out incredibly funny and touching films!  Craziness.  Every single day, the world was becoming a better and better place.  It was a sign that my people could begin to emerge from the shadows and into the light.  Not only were we no longer actively being oppressed, but somehow our worldview had taken over the public discourse.  We could finally freely express our views in the open, without ridicule and opprobrium.  And dare I say it?  We had even earned a modicum of respect!  Comic book nerds unite and take over!

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[In 2019, this was considered sexy]

One evening, my wife and I had dinner at one of those hoity-toity, hipster establishments, where the cool kids gather after work in downtown to consume over-priced, twee cocktails, and munch on avocado toast, back when only those “in the know” ate avocado toast.  You know how hipster this place was?  It had taxidermied exotic animals displayed throughout the dining area!  Our server came to take our drink orders, and, of course, he was 6’2” and muscular, with blond flowing locks.  

I said, “Hey, anybody ever tell you that you look like Chris Hemsworth?  You know, the actor who plays Thor?”  

He said, “Oh, yeah, I get that all the time.  I’m a huge Marvel nerd.”

You?  You are one of the most beautiful human beings I've ever laid eyes on, and when you’re not dating models, you spend your weekends as a volunteer fire fighter.  You?  A “Marvel nerd”???  

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Marvel does not belong to you!  Marvel belongs to me and my people - the short, the ugly, the socially maladjusted, the rotund!  How dare you engage in this grossest of cultural appropriations???

So, you see, when even the volunteer fire fighting Doppelgänger of Chris Hemsworth claims to be a Marvel nerd, that is how you know your worldview has utterly and completely triumphed!

Now, imagine how crushing the past 4 years have been, as the MCU has churned out nothing but utter dreck, since Avengers: End Game.  Honestly, and I’m not even joking here, I suspect that one of the main reasons I got into watches was because the MCU had gotten soooooooooo horrifyingly bad that I needed something, other than alcohol, to help take my mind off it, and control my rage.  I mean, when I finished watching "Falcon and the Winter Soldier," every evening for an entire week afterward…

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I would explain in excruciating detail to my wife why the writing was soooooooo bad, how the characters were completely unsympathetic, how you could drive a semi-truck through the plot holes, etc., etc.  My wife’s response was, “Honey, it’s just a TV show.”  

Me…

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It’s because of streaming?

Then, maybe six months ago, @Edge168n and I got together for a watch window shopping trip.  After checking out a bunch of Vacheron’s and seeing the new Tag Carrera Glassbox, we sat down for lunch.  And, of course, I went off on the poopification of the MCU, and how the employees of Disney (which owns Marvel Studios) had effectively destroyed $180B of market cap through their awful, awful writing - all the evil they’d wrought upon Marvel, they’d done to Disney, Pixar, and Star Wars too, with this result...

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@Edge168n, however, said, “Nah, I don’t believe in ‘Culture War’ explanations.  You can always cite some political gripe.  No, I prefer systemic analyses.  When you look at the entire media sector, companies that launched their own streaming services have all suffered massive falls in valuation.”

My reaction…

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After I got home from that trip, however, I thought about it more and more, and it occurred to me that maybe there might be something, not much, but something to what @Edge168n had said.  I mean, maybe Disney was so focused on creating new content for Disney+, it had lost management attention to quality, resulting in the travesty that is “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law” and “Thor: Love and Thunder” and “The Eternals” and, and, and...!  Sure, I’m willing to concede that there could be interaction effects.  Maybe.  I then texted @Edge168n to say, “Well, I could see how there might be some validity to your argument.  I think I’ve come around to 60 / 40.  60% of the decline is MCU writers waging the 'Culture War' and alienating fans, and 40% is streaming.  So, you see, I’m still right.”

And this post, well, this post is about how and why streaming would cause Disney’s stock price to halve, and thus its market cap to fall by ~$180B, if I were wrong, and if @Edge168n were right - which he’s not, because, you know, the 3 hardest words to pronounce in the English language are “I was wrong,” which I was not - and how that applies to Rolex.  

How bundling works

Why would creating your own streaming service cause your stock price to halve?  It all has to do with bundling.

You ever walk into a Walmart, and as you’re checking out, there’ll be a bin full of DVD sets?  Have you ever taken the time to look at some of these utterly nonsensical combination packs?  Here’s an example…

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Who in their right mind wants to buy a combo pack of The Dark Knight, Slammed, Ocean’s Twelve, and Free Willy???  Like, who says, “Honey, I’m gonna head over to Walmart right now to get us these 4 movies to watch.  We’ve been waiting YEARS to find this perfect combination in the DVD bin, and I swear that tonight is gonna be our lucky night!”

As ridiculous as this is, bundling is imminently sensible, and it generates a ton of additional marginal revenue and marginal profits for companies!  Here’s how…

  • For simplicity, let’s have a 2 DVD bundle

  • Let’s say that the bundle of Dark Knight and Ocean’s Twelve is priced at $12

  • Consumer A is willing to pay $8 for Dark Knight, but only $4 for Ocean’s Twelve

  • Consumer B is willing to pay $8 for Ocean’s Twelve, but only $4 for Dark Knight

Now, let’s see what happens and how much money the media company makes depending on different scenarios:

  1. Media company prices Dark Knight for $8 and Ocean’s Twelve for $8, which are sold separately:  Media company makes $8 in revenue from Consumer A and $8 in revenue from Consumer B, so $16 total

  2. Media company bundles Dark Knight and Ocean’s Twelve together for $12:  Media company makes $12 in revenue from Consumer A and $12 in revenue from Consumer B, so $24 total

Isn’t that incredible?  Just by bundling these 2 DVDs together, the media company earned 50% more revenue!!!  And, because the marginal cost of producing one more DVD is for all intents and purposes nearly $0, that 50% additional revenue falls directly to the bottom line!!!

Bundling ensures that you capture more consumer spending, even when (especially when) consumers' willingness to pay for particular parts of the bundle varies dramatically!

See how Marvel / Disney is EFF’ing it up?

Well, Disney and all the other media companies out there used to focus solely on creating content for theatrical release, and then eventually selling that content to cable providers.  And those cable providers bundled everything together!  You might really, really want ESPN and be willing to pay $8 for sports, and you don’t really care about history that much, so you’re only willing to pay $4 for The History Channel.  It’s the exact opposite for me.  But, because the cable companies bundled everything together, they got $12 of revenue out of each of us, instead of only $8!

Disney, Paramount, HBO, Discovery, etc., etc., they ALL decided to unbundle!  They deprioritized their relationships with the cable operators, in order to launch their own stand-alone, direct-to-consumer streaming services!  So, now, instead of getting $12 out of each of you and me, they’re only getting $8.  Unbundling is very, very bad for the top lines and especially bottom lines of these media companies!

What does bundling have to do with watches???

Well, when it comes to Rolexes, ADs have been selling us bundles!!!

  • You are willing to pay $1M for a DateJust, because Rolex is the pinnacle of haute horology and fine watchmaking

  • But, you are only willing to pay $2k for a Tudor 

  • Your local AD would like to sell you the Rolex for $1M, but Rolex has told the AD that the AD can only sell the DateJust at MSRP of $8k or else they lose their AD-ship!  

  • So, when you come into the AD and ask for a DateJust, the sales associate says, “No problem.  First you must bring me home-cured prosciutto every week…

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  • “Second, you have to buy a $4k Tudor.  And then, you’ll get the next $8k MSRP DateJust allocation”

  • And, you do it!  Why?  Because you want the DateJust sooooooooo bad!  It is worth $1M to you, so of course you’ll pay $4k for the Tudor even though the Tudor is only worth $2k to you, because you’ll then get the DateJust, and as we all know, Rolex is the pinnacle of haute horology!

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See what happened there?  By bundling the Tudor in with the DateJust, the AD was able to make $12k in revenue!  In the absence of the bundling, and given that Rolex has mandated that the AD can only sell at MSRP, the AD only makes $8k in revenue through the sale of only the DateJust, but $12k when the AD is able to play games.

This is what happens when you can no longer bundle

So, Rolex bought Bucherer.  

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One of the oft-quoted reasons for Rolex having done so is that Rolex has gotten fed up with all the games ADs have been playing - damaging the Rolex brand in the process - and that this is a way to make sure that consumers will be allocated Rolexes, without any shenanigans.  But, as we’ve just established, the only way for ADs to capitalize properly on the demand for Rolexes is through the shenanigans!  Shenanigans = bundling!  When you dictate that ADs can only sell Rolex watches for below-market MSRP, then ADs maximize revenue and profit by bundling / playing games!

And to put a very fine point on it, let’s create a hypothetical.  Let’s say that Rolex bought Bucherer for $3.5B.  Let’s say that Rolex paid a 5x multiple on earnings, so Bucherer was making $700M a year in profit.  Well, a lot of that profit was coming from the shenanigans / bundling!  If Rolex now ensures that Bucherer doesn’t play any more games, well, earnings must fall!  If net present value of all future earnings falls by 25%, then by definition the market cap of Bucherer falls 25%, meaning that Rolex paid $3.5B for a Bucherer that, in the absence of shenanigans, is now only worth $2.625B!!!  Rolex would have overpaid for Bucherer by $875M!

Sounds unrealistic, doesn't it?  And yet, look at precisely what happened to Watches of Switzerland upon the announcement of the Bucherer acquisition by Rolex…

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If Rolex’s acquisition of Bucherer is designed to put pressure on the entire AD network, and to get the entire AD network to stop playing games, well, this is what happens to your stock price when you can no longer bundle!

See how Rolex is EFF’ing it up?

“But, @Mr.Dee.Bater, who cares about overpaying for Bucherer?  Can we both agree that $875M is chump change?”

Absolutely.  I mean, who cares about a piddly little $875M.  But, you know, three-quarters of a billion here, three-quarters of a billion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about real money!  If Rolex paid a premium for Bucherer, who cares?  No, the real damage to Rolex comes from the following 3 factors:

  1. You’ve just caused Watches of Switzerland’s market cap to plummet by 25%, because you’re going to crack down on shenanigans and they can no longer sell the Rolex-plus-other-random-stuff bundles to their customers.  Watches of Switzerland wasn’t the only AD doing this.  EVERY SINGLE ROLEX AD was maximizing revenue and profit through bundling!  In effect, EVERY Rolex AD’s value has fallen by 25%, because the net present value of all their future free cash flows has fallen by 25%!  I don’t know about you, but if a business partner of mine just did something that caused my company to plunge in value by 25%, I’d be pretty pissed.  In fact, I might just start to try to diversify away from such a bad partner.  If Rolex can do this to me at their pleasure, what’s to say they won’t do something else just as harmful to me on a whim?  Given that, I might try to find ways to tout other partners / watch brands, who are nicer to me, and make my life easier, not harder

  2. Rolex itself will find that there are fewer customers for some of its watches.  The reason that people buy the 31mm two-tone, diamond set mother of pearl Datejust?  Well, probably so that they can “build a relationship” with the AD in order to get the watch they really do want, which is the stainless steel sports model.  Tudor sales?  Again, previously, I was happy to buy the Tudor for $4k, knowing that I would then get a Rolex for MSRP.  If ADs can’t bundle anymore, why would I pay $4k for Tudor that I only value at $2k???

  3. Desperate customers won’t bring in home-cured prosciutto to sales associates anymore!  Oh, the humanity!  Think of the poor prosciutto-less sales associates!!!

This kind of move is something that a dominant player makes when they are overcome by…

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And I stand by this analysis I wrote up previously...

https://www.watchcrunch.com/Mr.Dee.Bater/posts/for-god-s-sake-can-we-finally-put-a-fork-in-it-aka-putting-an-end-to-threads-about-which-watch-is-a-better-investment-or-which-watch-will-hold-its-value-better-265419

The 3-word phrase that is the hardest for any human being to say

So, that’s it!  If I were wrong, and if the MCU has become utter crap due to Disney’s focus on streaming, thereby causing Disney’s plunge in stock price due to “unbundling," then this analysis should give us some insight into how much of a mistake is Rolex’s acquisition of Bucherer.

But, I’m not wrong.  See, I’ve updated my thinking to 50/50.  50% of the fall in Disney’s market cap is due to 'Culture War’ issues and the writers alienating fans and 50% is due to streaming / unbundling.  But, I’m not wrong.  I’m still at least 50% right.  

And how do I know it?  Well, because this guy validates my worldview…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Rdh1UIE3Q

What about you?  Have you, in the past, purchased other watches and jewelry to get the Rolex you really wanted?  Would you buy whatever Tudor or whatever other watch to “build a relationship” with your AD, even if it had zero effect upon your chances of getting the stainless steel Rolex you do actually want?  And, most importantly, do you hate the MCU as much as I do now?  

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I mean, you're halfway correct 😉

The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that old man Bucherer pulled a fast one on Rolex.

I figure Bucherer did about 2B CHF in sales in 2022, a number that probably didn;'t go up a ton in 2023 (if at all). Jewelry stores have okay margins, call it 9-10% EBIT margins. Rolex is rumored to pay at least 4B CHF for it.

So Rolex paid 20x EBIT (or call it 24x post tax) for a watch retailer that is almost certainly at peak earnings for the pleasure of dealing with grubby peasants like you and me. No synergies. No real ability to cut costs. It's like paying Defender money for an Explorer. You got snookered.

They obviously have the money to buy it...but do they have the people to run it? These sorts of things inevitably cause major distractions for executive teams who then stop focusing on what actually makes money.

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What if I told you that I'm actually the person in that Facebook post that's bringing in home-cured prosciutto to my AD each week?

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Edge168n

I mean, you're halfway correct 😉

The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that old man Bucherer pulled a fast one on Rolex.

I figure Bucherer did about 2B CHF in sales in 2022, a number that probably didn;'t go up a ton in 2023 (if at all). Jewelry stores have okay margins, call it 9-10% EBIT margins. Rolex is rumored to pay at least 4B CHF for it.

So Rolex paid 20x EBIT (or call it 24x post tax) for a watch retailer that is almost certainly at peak earnings for the pleasure of dealing with grubby peasants like you and me. No synergies. No real ability to cut costs. It's like paying Defender money for an Explorer. You got snookered.

They obviously have the money to buy it...but do they have the people to run it? These sorts of things inevitably cause major distractions for executive teams who then stop focusing on what actually makes money.

It's almost as though you have a value investing mindset!

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Rob Long has been writing about the stupidity of streaming services producing shows for a while.

Blah, blah, blah....Rolex.

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@UnsignedCrown, as promised, the post about DVD combo packs at Walmart. Ha!

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Aurelian

Rob Long has been writing about the stupidity of streaming services producing shows for a while.

Blah, blah, blah....Rolex.

Come on! I know you. Don't be coy. Your favorite posts are posts about Rolex and about "which Rolex should I get?"

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Ok Brian, I’m going to save this one for later but we have so much in common it’s stupid. I used to save my lunch money and use it to buy comics and have to hide it from my parents cause they thought they were dirty. They’re not totally wrong🤣

And Iron Man blew my freaking mine. Watched it in Brisbane, Australia on iMAX and it was an unforgettable experience. Then going to the high point of SD Comic Con and waiting hours to get into Hall H…

We need to get drinks to talk about it all 😂

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SpecKTator

Ok Brian, I’m going to save this one for later but we have so much in common it’s stupid. I used to save my lunch money and use it to buy comics and have to hide it from my parents cause they thought they were dirty. They’re not totally wrong🤣

And Iron Man blew my freaking mine. Watched it in Brisbane, Australia on iMAX and it was an unforgettable experience. Then going to the high point of SD Comic Con and waiting hours to get into Hall H…

We need to get drinks to talk about it all 😂

Yes!!! I worked in a comic book shop in high school! It was awesome!

I ended up with something like 20 long boxes full of comics at one point.

When I finally decided I was going to start reading comics again, I figured that I would need to buy everything from like 1980 onward. My plan was to try to find 25-cent bins and get as many as I could, just to binge read.

And then I discovered this!

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$9.99/month, and I can read the ENTIRE BACK CATALOG!!! Amazing.

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Thanks for another fun read! I must confess I am quietly hoping this ‘watch bundling’ concept is something you dreamed up whilst in the throes of a Mezcal induced feverish nightmare caused by having to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier in the uncut 5 hour version…

Me picturing myself buying watch A (which I do not want) - in order to be allowed to buy watch B that I do want:

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Is this a real thing??

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Icarium

Thanks for another fun read! I must confess I am quietly hoping this ‘watch bundling’ concept is something you dreamed up whilst in the throes of a Mezcal induced feverish nightmare caused by having to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier in the uncut 5 hour version…

Me picturing myself buying watch A (which I do not want) - in order to be allowed to buy watch B that I do want:

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Is this a real thing??

Too funny!

To be honest, there was 1 and only 1 AWESOME thing that came out of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which was the 1-hour, uncut, extended Baron Zemo dance scene...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEzCv5u1O8

But, otherwise, think about every other Rolex NWA post!

  • I'm so happy that I got Rolex A!!!

  • I had originally asked for Rolex B, but the AD didn't have it, and they said that it might be another year before B comes in, but they had A available now, so I picked it up!

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Can you imagine that kind of behavior in any other context?

  • I went to the dealership to pick this up...

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  • Dealer didn't have any in stock, but they did just get this in, so I bought it! Yay!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Too funny!

To be honest, there was 1 and only 1 AWESOME thing that came out of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which was the 1-hour, uncut, extended Baron Zemo dance scene...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEzCv5u1O8

But, otherwise, think about every other Rolex NWA post!

  • I'm so happy that I got Rolex A!!!

  • I had originally asked for Rolex B, but the AD didn't have it, and they said that it might be another year before B comes in, but they had A available now, so I picked it up!

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Can you imagine that kind of behavior in any other context?

  • I went to the dealership to pick this up...

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  • Dealer didn't have any in stock, but they did just get this in, so I bought it! Yay!

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This! Exactly! That’s insane behavior. I did ofc see the posts about the waiting lists (pls remember I’ve only been into this hobby since March this year, so have only a limited view of this industry) - had no clue about this buying watch A in order to get watch B malarkey…Must say: well done Rolex!

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Icarium

This! Exactly! That’s insane behavior. I did ofc see the posts about the waiting lists (pls remember I’ve only been into this hobby since March this year, so have only a limited view of this industry) - had no clue about this buying watch A in order to get watch B malarkey…Must say: well done Rolex!

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Hermes and their Birkin bags have this down to a science! Hermes to Rolex...

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Yes!!! I worked in a comic book shop in high school! It was awesome!

I ended up with something like 20 long boxes full of comics at one point.

When I finally decided I was going to start reading comics again, I figured that I would need to buy everything from like 1980 onward. My plan was to try to find 25-cent bins and get as many as I could, just to binge read.

And then I discovered this!

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$9.99/month, and I can read the ENTIRE BACK CATALOG!!! Amazing.

All the crazy a$$ storylines and retconning has turned me off of trying to read the old stories, cause they don’t matter anymore. Also the blatant money grabbing bundling strategy is in comic books too. 12 issues in the main story and then another 48 stories in less popular comics.

The MCU is based loosely on the Ultimates Comics…which they already discontinued and mashed some elements into the main universe.

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Yeah, but if you just get Marvel Unlimited, you can read them all for $9.99/month!

Granted, I'm about 10 years behind - I've read up to May 2014. Nonetheless, if you just stay 6 months behind, you'll get to read everything for that one low-low price!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Hermes and their Birkin bags have this down to a science! Hermes to Rolex...

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Lol…it is actually quite reassuring to see I still have so much to learn about haute consumerism :)

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Ha! Quite clever and fun to read. thanks.

It probably comes down to how well Rolex knows to run Bucherer. They certainly will want to keep the bundling thing alive but they have more control now. I believe the valuation of some object A that customer X doesn't want but buys in order to get object B, now more than ever, depends on which store is selling A and B. If Bucherer is owned by Rolex then it seems easy enough to convince people that Bucherer will be the store where you want to have your "purchase history" in order to get B, nobody else will be able to sell you B at retail: "We have ALL the B there is!" ... As crazy as this forced relationship building is, it appears to be a thing and since A is as valuable as the purchase history, A's valuation increases (potentially) if it's located at Bucherer. If played right, this can perhaps be exploited. It certainly works on me. More specifically, given the choice between Wempe, who were always friendly and competent and Bucherer, who were always nasty when I visited, the decision just got more difficult because there is more uncertainty with Wempe. I still won't go to Bucherer, I hate the (semi-)local one with a passion and I hardly care for modern sports/hype Rolex, but as I mentioned in the previous post I am a sucker and so that might change.

I haven't seen much MCU post Endgame. I admit that I quite liked the Loki TV show which I watched because it was recommended but I had stopped following the whole thing because it seems hard to understand the plot these days, too many different shows and gone were the times when it was just a movie every once in a while. Maybe they just bit off more than they can chew...

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UnsignedCrown

Ha! Quite clever and fun to read. thanks.

It probably comes down to how well Rolex knows to run Bucherer. They certainly will want to keep the bundling thing alive but they have more control now. I believe the valuation of some object A that customer X doesn't want but buys in order to get object B, now more than ever, depends on which store is selling A and B. If Bucherer is owned by Rolex then it seems easy enough to convince people that Bucherer will be the store where you want to have your "purchase history" in order to get B, nobody else will be able to sell you B at retail: "We have ALL the B there is!" ... As crazy as this forced relationship building is, it appears to be a thing and since A is as valuable as the purchase history, A's valuation increases (potentially) if it's located at Bucherer. If played right, this can perhaps be exploited. It certainly works on me. More specifically, given the choice between Wempe, who were always friendly and competent and Bucherer, who were always nasty when I visited, the decision just got more difficult because there is more uncertainty with Wempe. I still won't go to Bucherer, I hate the (semi-)local one with a passion and I hardly care for modern sports/hype Rolex, but as I mentioned in the previous post I am a sucker and so that might change.

I haven't seen much MCU post Endgame. I admit that I quite liked the Loki TV show which I watched because it was recommended but I had stopped following the whole thing because it seems hard to understand the plot these days, too many different shows and gone were the times when it was just a movie every once in a while. Maybe they just bit off more than they can chew...

Yes! I feel like Loki was one of the only redeeming features of the entire post-End Game era. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 also.

I've heard that Loki 2 is actually really good. And heard that the reason is because Tom Hiddleston was an executive producer, and he felt so strongly about the character and providing a compelling storyline, that he negotiated lots of creative control over the show!

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Mr.Dee.Bater
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You are single-handedly keeping all these media companies afloat!!!

Yes it’s utter stupidity

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*reading the essay*

People actually watch Marvel after Endgame? Me, I just watch Spiderman. Eff everything else, they closed that chapter well.

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TalkingDugong

*reading the essay*

People actually watch Marvel after Endgame? Me, I just watch Spiderman. Eff everything else, they closed that chapter well.

I think they have more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies coming! Sony...

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The animated "Into the Spiderverse" movies have been absolutely the best!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

I think they have more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies coming! Sony...

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The animated "Into the Spiderverse" movies have been absolutely the best!

We'll see what they'll do with the next one.

That said, the SpiderVerse is da bomb!

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Not my watch realm.

Bought a few comics as a kid but allowance didn’t go far and no issue ever finished a story. Seemed like a racket.

But I was on board for the MCU (thru Endgame.) About all I can offer here is that Loki gives me hope…

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NotThatNeil

Not my watch realm.

Bought a few comics as a kid but allowance didn’t go far and no issue ever finished a story. Seemed like a racket.

But I was on board for the MCU (thru Endgame.) About all I can offer here is that Loki gives me hope…

Yes! Loki gives all of us hope...

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Except... he's done! Like, Loki's story has come to an end!!!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Yes! Loki gives all of us hope...

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Except... he's done! Like, Loki's story has come to an end!!!

Loki is now the God of Stories…I’m thinking he ends up forming the New Avengers team and becoming an anti-hero. This is a twist on the classic comic book Avengers Number 1 where the Avengers came together to fight him. Also a twist on the MCU version where Nick Fury assembles the Avengers to fight Loki.

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Mr.Dee.Bater

I think they have more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies coming! Sony...

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The animated "Into the Spiderverse" movies have been absolutely the best!

Live action Miles Morales…speaking it into existence.

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Revisiting this post…bundling is back baby. WB and Paramount looking at a merger 🤣

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SpecKTator

Revisiting this post…bundling is back baby. WB and Paramount looking at a merger 🤣

Yeah, I saw some headline that Apple was looking to merge with others too. AND there are the persistent rumors that Disney was looking to sell to Apple!

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Yeah, I saw some headline that Apple was looking to merge with others too. AND there are the persistent rumors that Disney was looking to sell to Apple!

Apple/Disney would checkmate everyone or force Amazon to merger with WB or Netflix

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Great write up Brian!

I too have mourned everything Marvel since Avengers Endgame. I'm even iffy on Loki. Only made it about 1/2 way through falcon and winter soldier, WTF. So much meh. When I saw ads for that new Captain marvel my thought was - OMG looks awful 😕.. seeing that youtube video I felt quite vindicated for not watching it. Horribly cast, horribly written.

And no opinion on the Rolex business case, your cup of tea not mine. Enjoyed the business analysis though: if Rolex will be making fewer billions I'm happy about that. 👍

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Fieldwalker

Great write up Brian!

I too have mourned everything Marvel since Avengers Endgame. I'm even iffy on Loki. Only made it about 1/2 way through falcon and winter soldier, WTF. So much meh. When I saw ads for that new Captain marvel my thought was - OMG looks awful 😕.. seeing that youtube video I felt quite vindicated for not watching it. Horribly cast, horribly written.

And no opinion on the Rolex business case, your cup of tea not mine. Enjoyed the business analysis though: if Rolex will be making fewer billions I'm happy about that. 👍

From what I understand, they seem to have learned some kind of lesson. I’ve read:

  1. They’ve fired a bunch of directors and writers on a bunch of shows and movies, to get away from all the political stuff they’ve been doing that’s alienated the fan base

  2. Stopped production on Daredevil after already having filmed 8 episodes, to rewrite from scratch

  3. Rewriting Captain America 4 from scratch - original plot was a group of extremists were to have invaded the Capitol as part of a plan to overthrow the government… hmmm…

  4. Rewriting Blade from scratch - original idea was to make him a secondary character, serving only as a mentor to his daughter, who would become the main protagonist in the series

  5. Introduction of the X-men into the MCU was originally going to be entirely a female team… that idea seems to have been scratched

  6. Rumors of Pedro Pascal being Reed Richards in launch of Fantastic Four seems to now be on ice

  7. The whole slate of shows that were originally all set to launch in 2024 seem to have been canned entirely or delayed to be reworked to get away from Culture Wars - no more Riri Williams as Ironheart replacement of Iron Man

  8. Can’t imagine they’d dare try to do female led Young Avengers as they’d planned (from credits scene setup in The Marvels) after the Marvels having lost the studio ~$250M

One really interesting thing I’ve read is that Ike Perlmutter, who owned Marvel Comics for 20 years and sold Marvel to Disney, continued on in his role after selling, and he was a strong influence guiding the Studio on what to film and what stories to tell. After owning Marvel for 20 years, he knew a thing or two about what the fan base wanted. But Kevin Feige and Bob Iger had him fired. So, they lost their “voice of reason.”

What’s hilarious about Perlmutter reporting to Iger is that you had a Private Equity dude, with net worth of billions reporting to a CEO who has a net worth maybe like 1/100th Permutter’s? And Perlmutter is besties with Nelson Peltz, who is another PE dude, who is now trying to take over Disney! You fire Perlmutter, and he pledges all his massive stake in Disney, as one of the larger single shareholders into taking over the company!

Anyway, either Iger and team have learned their lesson, and they’ll fix things. Or if they don’t, Perlmutter and Peltz will take over and fix things. In either scenario, we start to get good content again.

But, we’ll see! Never put it past an insular, evil, echo-chamber driven company / industry to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!