Let’s start some Sh!t

Hot take….but I agree and so does the market. Example: SBGY013 retails for $9000 USD. I can get this unworn from Japan for close to $6000 USD on Chrono24. So yes, I agree that for some models they are definitely not worth the MSRP.

I agree, someone clearly took their red pill this morning.

It's the perceived stigma of the "Seiko' bit, if they were Swiss they'd be far more expensive.

For me Seiko sweet spot is around the £1k mark , I don't get the hype for spring drive, seems to have the disadvantages of quartz and mechanical.

Lmao 🤣 why you trolling Gene. Trying to stir the pot on hump day!

You and all the swish companies know Gandseiko is low key innovative Kings. Damn you got me to comment on it. Well played.

Fair enough but the same claim can be made for any luxury watch in the thousands including popular Swiss brands. Same with cars. At a certain point it’s mostly conspicuous consumption.

what are the disadvantages of spring drive?

I may agree on the new Evolution 9 watches, that was a big upmarket jump in pricing. But I think my SBGA407, which retails at $5,800 USD, but I was able to get new at an AD with just over a 10% discount ($5,200) is well worth it. Spring drive tech with amazing accuracy, gorgeous dials (for me), hand finishing everywhere and 100% inhouse as they own all of their own manufacturing. Not to mention, they don't do annual price increases on their existing models.

Their bracelets are frustrating for sure.

Servicing. When the quartz is worn out , it's worn out.

Neither one thing or the other .

Clutching at straws, but OP wanted to hear the bad things so gotta come up with something 😂😂

I hate to sound like a brand name guy . But they need to drop the Seiko out of it. Like Toyota / Lexus.

I was seeing a lot of post and I want i like them. But their prices are a no go and I was pissed 😂

Yes but Seiko has too much spread across their inventory. They need to change the name and that name be more exclusive. The average persons going to just see Seiko. Only watch nerd will know the difference

I think Rolex are underrated and should cost more as their msrp prices are a bargain

Right but only watch nerds will spend more than 5k on a watch unless it says Rolex or Cartier on the dial. The whole “people see seiko on the dial thing” implies that we should care what other people think.

I was waiting for this reply. Agree to a point. Let’s face it. Most of us enjoying watches for ourselves but there’s still a part of us that likes to flex too. We won’t be impressing the ladies just other dudes🤣 and start a conversation and talk about watches. The first rule of Watch Club is talk about Watch Club. Otherwise why we even here on this app🤔

No waitlist, past purchase credits, and feeling like crap paying inflated prices to a manufacturer who makes mass machined watches.

Hardly any watch is worth their retail price though, always better to buy preowned, can save a ton. You can get a tudor blackbay chrono for around £3k used, RRP is £4.8k, about 37% drop!

Now do this with Omega

Not sure why people still don't get it. This goes for most watch brands, but especially Seiko and Grand Seiko. You don’t buy these watches at retail. Everyone always freaks out at retail prices. Give it a few months for the hype to die down and lightly used or even new listings come out on the market for way cheaper. Most brands are like this. Rolex is one of those very overpriced brands. The product you get is arguably not worth retail, but I get the brand name brings the price up. But even used they hold that name too much because the products are not worth the price you pay.

Well, they are as independent as say Omega. Seiko is a giant conglomerate with Grand Seiko being a division of same since 1960. They are/have been independent as much as any other division of a massive conglomerate since then

The big change was strickly how prominent the Grand Seiko name was displayed and where it was located. Nothing else. Simple marketing.

BS: Rolex AD’s are required to sell at MSRP for new watches. Certified Previously Owned, I think the AD’s are free to set a price.

My response was to another poster who stated that GS holds its value, which we both know is a falicy.

Thus my comment telling them to go check Chrono24, look at GS watch prices, compare that to list, then come back and repeat they hold their value.

I’m sure you could say that as a blanket statement like ‘all politicians lie’. However, a lot of watches are worth their retail price; christopher ward, swatch, Casio, citizen, Hamilton & most microbrands. You could argue that Rolex is worth over their retail price (for most models) because people are willing to pay that. I actually think Rolex at RRP is very reasonable for most of their steel models.

No I don’t mean price .. I mean VALUE. A steel sport Rolex was going for 40-60k just 24 months ago. Ridiculous. Mind you I’ve owned a few Rolexes and never owned a GS.

I would disagree, you can get all those brands second hand for way less than retail, also even brand new they would often get discounted on sale anyway which suggests retail is too much. Would agree rolex at RRP is very reasonable though, since people are willing to pay more for them used than new. I guess measuring 'worth' is difficult, most things depreciate, if it depreciates less than it makes it 'better value?' 🤯

Yep, I think thats how I view it. That is why I judge GS as poor value at RRP because of how much they crator on the secondary. Maybe this is the makings of a livestream subject.

Agreed. I would never pay secondary market prices for a Rolex either. At MSRP value is in the eye of the beholder. But $50k+ (market high) for a Hulk? Ain’t no value there.

PS: I have the 55th anniversary GS. It’s a nice watch and all but…. 😉

oh looks like there was a reply to a wrong reply somewhere in the chain then, makes more sense now

Servicing. When the quartz is worn out , it's worn out.

Such a weak statements. Their quartz calibres have service interval about 50 yrs. No doubt that quartz parts in Spring drive have same quality. Are you sure that most of your mechanical watches will last long that time?

Neither one thing or the other .

And what disadvantages it means? Spring drive is on 90% equals to most mechanical watches. I see only pros of that like superior accuracy of quartz, power supply of mechanical, longer service interval about 10 yrs.

Read my second post...😂👍🏻👍🏻

The grand seiko dials are beautiful, and the spring drive movements sweep is amazing. But you're right. Not every model is worth the money.