Overrated/Underrated Brands

Inspired by a comment on a previous post. 

Have at it lets see what you guys think.

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Citizen is definitely underrated in my opinion, although it seems to be getting more notice on Youtube lately. I also don't think Timex gets enough credit for its newer releases, especially its solar watches.

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Candide3693

Citizen is definitely underrated in my opinion, although it seems to be getting more notice on Youtube lately. I also don't think Timex gets enough credit for its newer releases, especially its solar watches.

Citizen make a good product, no bs get overshadowed a bit by Seiko but I think that's also cause of heritage 

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Overrated for me has to be Rolex never liked them never will and don't like the way they do business. Underrated has to be fortis they should get a lot more recognition than they do and of course make some amazing watches, and just to show how nice a company they are they came out with the name marinemaster first but they let seiko use the name too top company.

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Metalguru68

Overrated for me has to be Rolex never liked them never will and don't like the way they do business. Underrated has to be fortis they should get a lot more recognition than they do and of course make some amazing watches, and just to show how nice a company they are they came out with the name marinemaster first but they let seiko use the name too top company.

As much as I like Rolex you are right, the way they treat people is just sh*t from start to finish, like Ferrari.

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CombatWombat

As much as I like Rolex you are right, the way they treat people is just sh*t from start to finish, like Ferrari.

Yeh Rolex and their AD's treat people very poorly. Also the way their business is registered in Switzerland is dodgy too can't remember exactly how something to do with charity i think so they probably don't pay their full tax. I think it will all eventually bite them on the ass though 🤔

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Metalguru68

Yeh Rolex and their AD's treat people very poorly. Also the way their business is registered in Switzerland is dodgy too can't remember exactly how something to do with charity i think so they probably don't pay their full tax. I think it will all eventually bite them on the ass though 🤔

I am no expert but I swear the tax rate for businesses in Switzerland is quite low anyway.

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CombatWombat

I am no expert but I swear the tax rate for businesses in Switzerland is quite low anyway.

It is but the way Rolex is registered is a bit dodgy, wish I could remember where I read about it. I don't totally hate Rolex but don't think their watches are worth what they charge especially considering they were just a tool watch maker years ago and theirs nothing fantastic about their watches or movements. I'd have a milgause if any one is giving one away though 🤣

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Unpopular opinion, but I’m going to say it - Seiko. I do not understand the appeal. I do not think they look particularly amazing, and those that might be slightly prettier than usual are way overpriced. QC has taken a huge dive over the years, so I think people need to take them off the pedestal. The movements are quite prevalent so why not just go for an affordable microbrand? I could buy a new Seiko for £250-500 or I could go to the grey market or AliExpress and see what catches my eye. Call me a hipster, tell me I’m wrong, I have never owned a Seiko nor actively sought one out at any stage of my watch-buying life.

Vostok - again I do not understand the appeal, and this is coming from someone who bought a slightly leftfield one on a whim 10 years ago. Perhaps I just don’t understand the design, but I am not a fan of many of the designs. I probably understand movement against price, but having owned one I never really got on with it - loud rotor, no quick set date…

Timex - underrated. When they get it right, they have some very nice pieces. The Q reissues are a masterstroke. I like what they are doing.

Rolex is usually style over substance, but we know that. I have a Milgauss - so guilty as charged.

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Metalguru68

It is but the way Rolex is registered is a bit dodgy, wish I could remember where I read about it. I don't totally hate Rolex but don't think their watches are worth what they charge especially considering they were just a tool watch maker years ago and theirs nothing fantastic about their watches or movements. I'd have a milgause if any one is giving one away though 🤣

Yeah Rolex is a divisive one these days, sad to say it but for the time being they are unattainable for us regular folks

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chronotriggered

Unpopular opinion, but I’m going to say it - Seiko. I do not understand the appeal. I do not think they look particularly amazing, and those that might be slightly prettier than usual are way overpriced. QC has taken a huge dive over the years, so I think people need to take them off the pedestal. The movements are quite prevalent so why not just go for an affordable microbrand? I could buy a new Seiko for £250-500 or I could go to the grey market or AliExpress and see what catches my eye. Call me a hipster, tell me I’m wrong, I have never owned a Seiko nor actively sought one out at any stage of my watch-buying life.

Vostok - again I do not understand the appeal, and this is coming from someone who bought a slightly leftfield one on a whim 10 years ago. Perhaps I just don’t understand the design, but I am not a fan of many of the designs. I probably understand movement against price, but having owned one I never really got on with it - loud rotor, no quick set date…

Timex - underrated. When they get it right, they have some very nice pieces. The Q reissues are a masterstroke. I like what they are doing.

Rolex is usually style over substance, but we know that. I have a Milgauss - so guilty as charged.

Seiko is a very interesting brand to debate tbf. I think Seiko need to get a new product photographer cause they look shit on the website, much better in person. The prices are getting to be a bit too much these days. Grey market if you get them discount it's good. I own a Seiko and a Hamilton (at retail they cost about the same) and the Seiko movement is far less accurate than the Hamilton. It may be in house but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

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CombatWombat

Yeah Rolex is a divisive one these days, sad to say it but for the time being they are unattainable for us regular folks

Yep def out of reach for the normal person, luckily lots of really good watch makers out their though 👍

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CombatWombat

Seiko is a very interesting brand to debate tbf. I think Seiko need to get a new product photographer cause they look shit on the website, much better in person. The prices are getting to be a bit too much these days. Grey market if you get them discount it's good. I own a Seiko and a Hamilton (at retail they cost about the same) and the Seiko movement is far less accurate than the Hamilton. It may be in house but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

But if you can buy a Hamilton instead, you should buy a Hamilton. I think that’s kind of my point as well - there are better options at almost every price point. It’s kind of a safe, boring choice (to me). 

I appreciate Orient are kind of Seiko, but I think they are ok on their own, so would rather go there if pushed. I used to have an original Mako with a blue dial and Pepsi bezel, and it was ok. I can’t remember why I sold it, probably because I had the older SK diver and preferred that, so didn’t feel it was a huge loss. I really like the M-Force and was gutted I never went for the model I liked at the time (one of the early generations).

I am being unpopular for the sake of it, but I have never owned a Seiko.

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chronotriggered

Unpopular opinion, but I’m going to say it - Seiko. I do not understand the appeal. I do not think they look particularly amazing, and those that might be slightly prettier than usual are way overpriced. QC has taken a huge dive over the years, so I think people need to take them off the pedestal. The movements are quite prevalent so why not just go for an affordable microbrand? I could buy a new Seiko for £250-500 or I could go to the grey market or AliExpress and see what catches my eye. Call me a hipster, tell me I’m wrong, I have never owned a Seiko nor actively sought one out at any stage of my watch-buying life.

Vostok - again I do not understand the appeal, and this is coming from someone who bought a slightly leftfield one on a whim 10 years ago. Perhaps I just don’t understand the design, but I am not a fan of many of the designs. I probably understand movement against price, but having owned one I never really got on with it - loud rotor, no quick set date…

Timex - underrated. When they get it right, they have some very nice pieces. The Q reissues are a masterstroke. I like what they are doing.

Rolex is usually style over substance, but we know that. I have a Milgauss - so guilty as charged.

Have to agree a little about seiko. QC not as good as it use to be,constant reissues,and their pricing is a bit high now so not the bang for buck they use to be. When they get a watch right its usually pretty good. I prefer seikos from 70,80,90 and early 2000.

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Metalguru68

Have to agree a little about seiko. QC not as good as it use to be,constant reissues,and their pricing is a bit high now so not the bang for buck they use to be. When they get a watch right its usually pretty good. I prefer seikos from 70,80,90 and early 2000.

So… nothing from the last 15-20 years?

The prosecution rests.

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chronotriggered

So… nothing from the last 15-20 years?

The prosecution rests.

Just my tuna padi lovely watch with no QC issues. Presage line is nice too and I like the mm300 and shogun but thats about it. But I've also fallen out of love with automatic watches at the moment and big into 70's seiko quartz. Funny how your tastes change over time im sure automatics will come back into favor with me at some point 👍