Any Thoughts on the new Marinemaster?

Personally, I don't like it. Seiko has a great collection of case styles, each with a strong identity and fanbase (SKX, turtle, samurai, tuna, willard, sumo, shogun, MM, 62MAS) and I don't understand this push to homogenize the Marinemaster heritage into yet another 62MAS re-issue, as if we didn't have enough of them already.

The MM case is my favorite of the bunch so naturally I can only be disappointed that this fankenwatch bears the name Marinemaster when it doesn't look like a MM. The MM never had baton indices either. Nor a 3 hour crown. Nor a 15/30/45 bezel. The only thing "Marinemaster" about this watch is the text on the dial. This is just wrong. 😕

For this kind of money you can buy a real MM300 on the secondary market, or an SLA with an 8L movement for <$2000. That would be my pick.

I had it on my wrist, it looks really really good. Go and check it out in person. Don't compare it to SJE093 though, it's not trying to be anything, it's it's own thing.

Completely understand your points. But the big size of the MM300 is a bit of a turn off for me, I'd prefer a more compact watch.

Btw, check out the SLA015, that was a MM300 with baton indices 😉

I personally expect Seiko to release a MM300 in the near future, that'll go down the design lines of the SLAs. That way, the 62MAS design is finally cemented into a proper non reissue line and the the MM300 can continue to exist beside it.

I own the SPB143. Lovely looking watch,

but I am sick and tired about it's accuracy .

I was wondering if the new marinemaster could do the trick of being beautiful (on my wrist) and showing me the correct time.

I like most the dressy touch (suits my needs better then 100 extra meter)

Have you tried the MM200 case? The 42mm case wears barely any bigger than an SKX. The L2L is 2mm longer, but the lugs curve down way more than the SKX. I have a smaller wrist than you and I can wear an SPB187/SPB383 just fine.

Fair enough, I didn't know the SLA015. To me that also looks like a frankenwatch, with 62MAS indices and sumo hands. 😂

The 6R is a very easy movement to regulate. Same old mechanism as its 7S/4R siblings.

If you don't have the tools to do so yourself, you can bring it to your local watchmaker and they should be able to regulate it within COSC margins in a few minutes. It could cost you anywhere between $20 and $100 depending where you live, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a new watch for accuracy reason.

Does it really matter about wether it’s limited, the name, reissue etc etc,? Do you like it does it speak to you, if yes then just get it & enjoy it.

I think it looks like a great dive watch & I like the “planking” effect on the dial, go for it.

I wasn't a fan until I saw it in person and it turned out to be a really beautifully sized and finished watch and a thoroughly modern take on the 62MAS; unlike the SBP "reinterpretations" this one struck me as what the 62MAS would look like if Seiko had continually evolved the design over the past 60 years as opposed to abandoning it and then reissuing it. I don't care for the dial texturing, but that's a personal taste thing and, knowing Seiko, several more dial variants are inevitable...

I also considered this one. I have both an MM200 and the SJE093. I can tell you they're different all together. The SJE093 is noticeably lighter and slimmer than any other Seiko I've owned.

If you want tight dims but still some good weight, go with an MM200. If you want a streamlined, light and capable diver, the SJE093 cannot be beat IMO. The new Marinemaster seems to be in between both of these. But I suggest trying one on first and compare it to modern SPB and SJE models if you can. Until you wear these things it's hard to tell which one you like.

I have a 6R in my KS and find it to be more accurate than my Hamilton's H-10 (2824), really upped their QC at least for KS, I wouldn't worry about the movement.

Going to echo @Beanna here - the MM200 models sound like the answer then (and they're considerably cheaper than these SJE 62MAS versions). The SPB185/187 and GMT versions SPB381/383 are 42mm in diameter and 48.5mm L2L, but the lugs really hug the wrist. They're considerably thinner than the MM300 as well (even the GMT models are 2mm thinner at 13.4mm or so). Personal bias, but I've always preferred the MM cases to the 62MAS cases.

I sorta want to say it isn’t a Marinemaster, but instead I am going to say I think it is a solid watch from Seiko (putting my affinity for that name aside). I know some folks don’t like the 4:30 date, but I kinda like it as the dial just looks more symmetrical.

Prefer the look of the previous version, this one is too blingy for a tool watch, more for desk or boardroom diver than a diver.

Not my jam. I'm sure it's awesome, but my kind of awesome at that price point.

Will do!

Exactly my thoughts, a nice evolution of the 62MAS design. It also fitting, that this would be in the upper tier of Seikos divers, imo.

Maybe I should wait for another dial texture, a glacier or matte black one would be cool

Yeah wearing them is what I'm afraid of, since there not that easy to get in hand (espoecially the SJE098). But thanks for your first hand experience!

I've had many of the SPBs in hand, and only really liked the SPB Baby-MM200 case, but ended up selling it, because I didn't wear it enough, due to its weight.

Good to hear! I haven't had any issues with my 6Rs in the past, so I trust, that Seiko knows what they're doing. I've heard stories from all brands and movements about them breaking one week after purchase etc. I guess the millions of people with no problems won't go online to tell us about it 😂

Yeah, the date seems to be a popular talking topic. I prefer a 6 o'clock date or a no-date, but the 4:30 is also fine if the date disk isn't white on a black dial.. I appreciate, that with a 4:30 date, none of the markers have to be removed 👍

Yeah, I find the MSRP is way too high. Currently the SJE101 is going for 2500€ insstead of 3400€ new on Chrono24. For 2500€ it's no longer competing against Tudors etc, so it's a very different situation in my eyes. I really have to see it irl, because even 2500€ is a ton of money for a watch, can still buy you a used car 😂

Yeah? Isn't the case brushed and the bezel insert steel? I'd consider a polished case and a ceramic bezel insert a requirement for maximum bling... But maybe the bezel edge makes it bling a bit more

The SJE101 is quite blingy. It's a modern "diver", the design reflects that. It's obviously meant for desk diving. The surface finish is very well done, there are a lot of different surfaces, angles finished differently, etc. I also liked the bracelet, it looks very good, fits the watch and feels quality. I had the SJE101 as a direct comparison to Longines Legend Diver and the surface finish on the SJE looked and felt better to me. But that may be because Longines aims to be a bit more under the radar and it's meant to be like that. Compared to the LLD, the SJE101 looks way more blingy.

I'm a big fan of the MM300 line, the sbdx and SLA models... I owned most of the models over the past 10 years and still own 2 SLA...

This new edition looks like a 62MAS...

Every cues that made the previous generations the grail for many, is simply gone at the exception of the MM writing on the dial.

Monoblock case, sexy lines hiding its size, dial depth, round chunky markers, mm hands, curved crystal from inside , thick bezel for instant grip, crown at 4, insane lume, and so many other stuffs...

Don't get me wrong I'm sure it's a nice watch, but the MM DNA is simply missing.

Hopefully the following editions will be more in line with the legendary MM300.

The centre link bracelet is polished, I think Seiko wants to be comparable to the swiss diver as omega aqua terra and others in term of elegant divers, to justify the price tag to be seemed way less than the swiss but comparable in the look.

These 2 are unapologetic divers that wears proud over a wet suit, not cowarding under the cuffs. Great watches, wear them proud, there are beauties out there for under the cuffs, not a diver.

I really want to see one in person... To me the SPBs always seemed a bit rough around the edges (especially the hands), had awesome cases, a mediocre movement, mediocre alignment and mediocre bracelets. If these topics are all improved, I'd consider the price of 2,5k grey market quite "okay".

I'll bring my Aqua Terra when I try it on, to compare 😉

Oh boy, had a look at a Marinemaster today... This watch is awesome!

definizely on my shortlist now....

also compared it to some SPBs.... night and day

Told ya. 😁

I've seen it in February and I still think about it. It's a lot of money though (3,5k€ here)

I've seen Longines legend diver on that same day and I don't think about that 😅

Yeah, we'll see how long I can hold out... My AD offered it to me for 3k flat, but I'll try and get a little something for my wife included in that price 😜

Fingers crossed.