Do hacking and hand-winding always occur together?

In reviews of automatic mechanical watches, I often hear these two things mentioned together as almost a single bullet point. Typically "...features hacking and hand-winding..." and very occasionally "...does not feature hacking or hand-winding...".

But I don't think I've ever heard a review mention an automatic watch that has one but not the other. Is this just co-incidence, or is there a reason to expect them to occur together?

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Not really. I have an automatic that doesn’t handwind, and I think it may have a hacking movement, (I should check really) and a few handwinding watches that do not hack. It’s essentially an optional complication on a movement.

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The Miyota 821 series is predominatly handwinding,non hacking.

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No they don't always occur together, they are different functions and not reliant on each other.

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The Miyota in my NaviXL hand winds, no hacking which messes with my OCD.

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Vintage watches are often winding, but have no hacking. So it is possible.

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Up until the 3861 movement, the Omega Speedmaster Professional (aka the Moonwatch) featured hand winding but not hacking. It's just one example of many.

I may be wrong, but I've always associated non hand winding with Seiko.

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Most modern movements from the Japanese brands like Seiko, Citizen (Miyota) & Orient now hack & handwind, although this has only been the case in the last 5 to 10 years. It used to be the case that entry level Seiko automatics didn't handwind or hack for example. Entry level Swiss movements like the ETA 2824 have had hand winding & hacking since the early 1980s. Older vintage automatics tend to just have hand winding & not necessarily hacking