Another DUD?! WTH??

That's not normal at all. The only thing I can think of is that you need to wear it longer to charge up the power reserve. Once you put it down, the rotor doesn't move anymore to provide the charge needed to keep the hands moving.

TBH, where are you getting these from? Cuz it seems like you are getting returns or straight up used models.

I hand wound it before I put it on. It should have at least a days worth of reserve, right?

Have you manually wound it? When you first get an automatic watch always wind it to power it up, that’s probably the issue, my Orients are bullet proof and I always manual wind out of the box.

The jungle site. The first one was for sure a used/return but, this one was brand new. Had all the protective plastic and the box was factory taped.

I did wind it according to the manual. About 30 times clockwise.

Hate to say it, but that might not be actually true. Ppl go to extreme lengths for returns sadly. Just Google the videos.

Also of note, how many rotations of the crown? I'd say offhand, without looking it up, it needs 40-45 full rotations to get even close to full wind.

No necessarily. The only way to test is to wear it all day long and see if it still loses time. If it does, it may have been magnetized. You can get a degausser from Amazon for cheap to see if that fixes the issue. If not, return it.

Sounds like the seconds hand and minute hand are slightly touching at 11 o’clock it happens when the hands are not set properly or got dislodged and needs to be reset… just my 2 cents

I know most will not agree with me but that’s why I’m moving away from autos and sticking with more decent quartz pieces. But that’s just me.

This is my first mechanical and I have all quartz. I am a fan of them for sure but, wanted to try these.

Oh yea a good mechanical watch is great. And I’ll always want certain ones but I’ve found more joy and less disappointment with certain vintage citizen Promaster quartz.

This is the replacement for the first one. Two bad watches in a row is not a great first impression.

Even if CJ winds the watch only 5 times the second hand should run past the 11:00 location without stopping. Shoot, even if I pick up a dead auto and shake it a few times it'll run for a bit, certainly enough for one revolution. His is stopping at 11 on a full wind.

@hackersmovie I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with this purchase, I know it's frustrating, but it sounds like another return, unfortunately. Could be a bad gear or maybe something stuck in there. Sorry, brother.

This thing is completely vexing. It starting running perfect for almost 2 hours then started hanging up at the 11 again. Took it off, hand wound it some more and it's been running perfectly for about an hour. Could it be that I'm screwing the crown down too tight? This time I just tightened it until it stopped then backed it off a 1/4 turn to see if that's it.

The crown position won't matter unless it's pulled out to the second click, which stops the movement. (If it's what they call a "hackable" movement, and if your watch has the NH35A, it is indeed a hackable movement.)

Hands touching each other or touching the crystal happens with quartz as much as mechanical.

What you are describing sounds like the second hand either touching the minute hand or the crystal and staying stuck. Shaking the watch or tapping the crystal will unstuck it until the next rotation. It might be due to the hand being slightly bent or the spacing between the hands being too tight. Either way, it's something that can only be fixed by a watchmaker or modder with tools so you should return it.

I have a Seiko Kinetic. A Seiko Automatic is on my list 🤣

The crown should be threaded just until tight, not backed off at all but not ultra torqued.

If you are seeing the second hand stop, it’s defective. If it stutters, like a brief skip, that happens. I’ve heard of a few Orients doing it. Miyotas are terrible about it. The way a mechanical watch runs, you can’t tell much in 5 hours. Don’t worry about hand winding it, as in don’t bother. Set it to one of your Quartz. Forget it. Wear it . Take it off and put it away, go to bed and check it compared to the Quartz on the morning.

The really weird thing is it'll run for an hour or two without getting hung up. It's very strange.

Gravity can do that. The second hand is very lightweight. Depending on the position of the watch, gravity can help lower the hand or push it further against the crystal where it will stay stuck.

I know it's wishful thinking but, I'm remaining hopeful that'll "fix itself" and just start acting right. All the while knowing I'll have to ultimately return it yet again.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is "The Jungle Site"? Doesn't sound like it's a reputable dealer, If you've received possibly two returns from them. Maybe stick to somewhere a little more well known, and don't give up on automatics just yet.

The jungle site = Amazon

UPDATE: over night it's run perfectly. 12 hours without an issue. Vexing.

Ahhh, I feel silly. I didn't put that together. In my defense, I've never heard it called that. 😂 Quite possible that you got a return, since they take anything back.

I've had a watch do that when the power reserve was low. Turned out that the second hand was scraping the crystal. It would run fine until it didn't have enough power to overcome the friction. Just had to push the second hand down a little further. Like others said, sometimes the hands can touch if not set right, and cause the same problem. Hopefully you can get it sorted out. 🤞

It's been running perfectly for 14.5 hours now. I'm thinking maybe I just didn't have it wound enough? Dunno. I don't want to send it back again if it's working correctly.

Hmmm? 🤔 If it were mine, this is what I would try, just to make sure: wear the watch for a whole day or two, take it off at night, and give the crown a number of turns, just making sure it's as close to being fully wound as possible. Then I would set the time to midnight, and take a picture or make a note of the date and time. I would set it on my dresser face up and just let it run until it stops. You should be able to determine how long it ran for by the time where it stopped. I believe on the Orient, it's somewhere around a 40 hour power reserve, so around 1600 on the following day. If it stops way sooner than that, and the second hand is in the same place that you said you noticed it stopping before, then it's probably touching the crystal or the other hands.