Most of the Partisan GS Versus Rolex Sniping Is Off Point
The point is not GS versus Rolex but the retention of more handfinishing by GS in their watch manufacturing versus a higher level of automation by Rolex in their watch manufacturing. This raises first and foremost a philosophical question for collectors. Those with romantic subjective sensibilities likely favor the GS approach and those with scientific objective sensibilities likely favor the Rolex approach. Too many people unfortunately turn the dialogue about this philosophical question into an exercise in brand bashing which, if you know your history of American family feuds, devolves into the horological equivalent of the Hatfields versus the McCoys along the border of West Virginia and Kentucky or the even bloodier Tewksburys versus the Grahams feud in the Pleasant Valley of Arizona. One would hope that the acrimony between the respective partisans of GS and Rolex does not turn into bloodshed at watch meetups. I would hate to read a newspaper headline about a Red Bar shoot out.
An aging juvenile delinquent of the Billy Herndon ilk. I usually run between 20 to 30 watches in my collection which demonstrates a pitiable lack of self control. I like independents (Habring, Parmigi...
I think we would all be curious to see where on this platform you think this sort of dialogue is occurring.
I own neither watch, so can't really comment with any authority on anything! I do hear much about GS being a ridiculously high level of finishing but I do still love some of Rolex's classic designs.
As for shoot outs? I know other watch forums can get pretty intense on these issues, but I think we are lovers rather than fighters here ❤️
I own neither watch, so can't really comment with any authority on anything! I do hear much about GS being a ridiculously high level of finishing but I do still love some of Rolex's classic designs.
As for shoot outs? I know other watch forums can get pretty intense on these issues, but I think we are lovers rather than fighters here ❤️
Hence my confusion… also being unfamiliar with American family feuds (other than the game show which was successfully ported over here) I fear that I am completely at a loss.
I think we would all be curious to see where on this platform you think this sort of dialogue is occurring.
It actually occurred in Horology Talk, a Facebook forum this a.m. and generated a massive amount of comments. I belong to both Grand Seiko and Rolex forums and, like the film Ground Hog Day, this Grand Seiko versus Rolex dialogue permeates almost the entirety of watch platforms. I have owned multiple references of both brands and find each brand to exemplify different virtues. Moreover, the whole hand finishing versus more highly automated production is at the heart of the popularity of the reasonably priced independents like Habring2, RGM, Stefan Kudoke, Stefan Ketelaars, Sartory Billard and Ophion versus the more highly automated big horology brand producers like Rolex and Omega.
It actually occurred in Horology Talk, a Facebook forum this a.m. and generated a massive amount of comments. I belong to both Grand Seiko and Rolex forums and, like the film Ground Hog Day, this Grand Seiko versus Rolex dialogue permeates almost the entirety of watch platforms. I have owned multiple references of both brands and find each brand to exemplify different virtues. Moreover, the whole hand finishing versus more highly automated production is at the heart of the popularity of the reasonably priced independents like Habring2, RGM, Stefan Kudoke, Stefan Ketelaars, Sartory Billard and Ophion versus the more highly automated big horology brand producers like Rolex and Omega.
But we are WatchCrunch - we do things a little differently around here.
I own neither watch, so can't really comment with any authority on anything! I do hear much about GS being a ridiculously high level of finishing but I do still love some of Rolex's classic designs.
As for shoot outs? I know other watch forums can get pretty intense on these issues, but I think we are lovers rather than fighters here ❤️
All I can tell you is that Grand Seiko generally gives better swag and hosts more elaborate events. Like Avis in the rental car car field, Grand Seiko tries harder than Rolex.
with quite pleasant debate in the comments... There is very little brand bashing here, it’s quite amicable; I wouldn’t hang around if this turned into a bun-fight every day.
It's really apples and oranges. They're both fruit but each has something unique to enjoy and I wouldn't mind either in my kitchen.
Ford vs Chevy, Glock vs Sig, Jack Daniels vs George Dickels, Rolex vs Grand Seiko -- you can't really lose. So far WatchCrunch is young but so far seems full of people mature enough to enjoy their preference on consumer goods without needing to argue with someone who chose differently. I hope this forum can maintain its bigger perspective rather than resorting to tribalism as some do.
It's really apples and oranges. They're both fruit but each has something unique to enjoy and I wouldn't mind either in my kitchen.
Ford vs Chevy, Glock vs Sig, Jack Daniels vs George Dickels, Rolex vs Grand Seiko -- you can't really lose. So far WatchCrunch is young but so far seems full of people mature enough to enjoy their preference on consumer goods without needing to argue with someone who chose differently. I hope this forum can maintain its bigger perspective rather than resorting to tribalism as some do.
Well… I’m starting to wonder how long the honeymoon period will last.
Like most of these topics, it comes down to personal preference. I've owned Rolex, but not GS. From what I've seen in person and the releases to-date, these two go about things very differently. Rolex has its method down to a science. What it does it does very well with little need or care to get too fancy or reinvent the wheel (regarding the sports models for most of the public). Grand Seiko is much more interested in the detail work, artistic influence and providing options as seen with their polishing technique, dial variations and new models. If these were the two brands I was choosing between, it would depend on what features I wanted more. If I wanted a "bullet-proof" every-day watch, I would probably go for the Rolex. If I wanted an every-day watch that let me soak in all the details and artistic mastery, I would go with GS.
All that being said, getting hostile about anything like this is beyond idiotic and I hope stays far away from here. There are far more things in life to worry about.
Well… I’m starting to wonder how long the honeymoon period will last.
Agreed, we're not immune from human nature here. It helps that Max started this site specifically to be a more positive alternative to other forums. It's refreshing. Just keep promoting positivity and reminding it's just a hobby -- let's see how long we can maintain that vibe as the site grows.
Speaking of Max, here are his comments on this topic. My only addition to his comments is, while Rolex helped promote wristwatches for men, he doesn't mention Cartier made the first dedicated wristwatch for a man in 1904 which went into mass production in 1911: the Santos.
Why we need to STOP comparing Grand Seiko to Rolex | SBGA415 Four Seasons - Winter
And the thread he started on it:
https://www.watchcrunch.com/Max/posts/should-we-be-comparing-grand-seiko-to-rolex-2097
Agreed, we're not immune from human nature here. It helps that Max started this site specifically to be a more positive alternative to other forums. It's refreshing. Just keep promoting positivity and reminding it's just a hobby -- let's see how long we can maintain that vibe as the site grows.
Speaking of Max, here are his comments on this topic. My only addition to his comments is, while Rolex helped promote wristwatches for men, he doesn't mention Cartier made the first dedicated wristwatch for a man in 1904 which went into mass production in 1911: the Santos.
Why we need to STOP comparing Grand Seiko to Rolex | SBGA415 Four Seasons - Winter
And the thread he started on it:
https://www.watchcrunch.com/Max/posts/should-we-be-comparing-grand-seiko-to-rolex-2097
Thanks for the references.