Nearly scammed into buying a FAKE???

Edit: check the comments, the watch pictures were clearly just stolen from the web!

I started looking for a circa 2010 Longines Spirit. I went to the Facebook Group "Longines Watch Owners" and posted a picture of the watch i'm looking for, with a message outlining a few requirements. I said I wanted it to be UK or EU based, in good condition or better, on a bracelet and preferably have box and papers.

Quite quickly I got a comment from a chap saying he had one and I should DM him. I thought i'd struck lucky as it seems to be a somewhat rare watch (in the secondary market at least).

I sent him a message asking for some pictures, and with his first reply I was immediately suspicious.

He sent pictures of the wrong watch. Instead of a 40mm white dial Spirit, he sent pictures of a ~30mm black diamon dial watch.

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I replied to say that wasn't what I was after, I wanted the watch I had shown in my post in the FB group. He sent a message saying he could do $300 including shipping. We'll come back to this point.

He then replied a hour or so later with some slightly blurry images of the correct watch. Dial, bracelet and a close up of the clasp.

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The next image was of the watch in it's Longines box, with the guarantee card and, wait, what's that, a COSC certificate?

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This watch isn't COSC certified. Let's take a closer look at the watch. Ah, that's a much newer Spirit, not the one i'm trying to buy.

I ask for a picture of the correct box and papers and get another reply with yet another slightly out of focus, closely cropped image of a Longines box and warranty card.

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I then stated that this was the first time I was buying a watch second hand and so I wanted him to provide a video of the watch running and set to a specific time. I requested the time be 10:30.

I got a reply saying:

Sorry I can't do that, when you get the watch,you will thank me The watch is in a good condition and working perfectly

Now i'm really suspicious. I reply with "Why can't you do that?"

I then get a video of the watch on a wrist, it's set to 10:10 but it's not running. All the pictures and this video have now been with different backgrounds, further adding to my suspicion that he might not even have the watch. I tell him as such, I say:

I don't mean to be rude, but you're not convincing me that you actually have this watch and that it's real. Low resolution pictures and having to be asked to send a video of the watch running does not inspire confidence in a buyer.

I get no reply.

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12 hour later, I send another message saying As you've not replied, i'm going to assume you're trying to pass off fake watches as real.

He replies, he seems a little annoyed at that. He says I'm busy.

I tell him "Well, when you're not busy, send some decent high quality picstures and a video of it running and I might still buy it.

The next morning, he comes through with two more pictures and a video. This time, they're not blurry, but are still very close cropped and not of the highest quality. The video shows the watch running, but the time is not as I had asked.

I thank him, but point out that it seems like the video should have audio when it does not. There is a finger pointing around the watch like you might see in a youtube review, but nothing can be heard.

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I tell him:

I asked for the time to be set specifically. Can you show me the watch running, time set to 4:35 and the date showing the 3rd please. Even better if these are with the watch on a piece of paper with your name and todays date written on it. I only ask for this to protect myself from any potential fraud, and i'm sure if you're a genuine seller, you'll be only too happy to do it for me.

He replied.

Please look for another seller I'm busy,I don't have time to do all your want

I told him he was trying to sell fake watches.

He blocked me.

What do we think? Have I avoided being sold a fake watch passed off as real? Or was it a scam trying to get me to send money for a watch that doesn't exist? Or, have I offended a genuine chap who just has a busy life and wanted to sell a watch?

Let me know below!

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Good job, definitely dodgy 👍🏻👍🏻

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You did well. Intuition often helps in these cases. If it feels dodgy, it is probably a dodgy affair, better be safe than sorry.

I’ve sold only one watch on, but these sound like totally normal requests I’d have complied with when I had the watch in my possession. Having no time is no excuse, I’d have apologised on the likes of “Hey mate, I’m at work right now, but I’ll get you these pictures in 4-5 hours when I’m home. Sounds good?”

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TekindusT

You did well. Intuition often helps in these cases. If it feels dodgy, it is probably a dodgy affair, better be safe than sorry.

I’ve sold only one watch on, but these sound like totally normal requests I’d have complied with when I had the watch in my possession. Having no time is no excuse, I’d have apologised on the likes of “Hey mate, I’m at work right now, but I’ll get you these pictures in 4-5 hours when I’m home. Sounds good?”

Yeah, I didn't think I was asking too much, to me those were all perfectly acceptable requests.

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You gave me a nice walkthrough of what to do when buying a watch from s second hand market.

And it seems like you avoided a scam.

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Matt_Kane

You gave me a nice walkthrough of what to do when buying a watch from s second hand market.

And it seems like you avoided a scam.

hahaha, I think in the situation I was in: having posted a Wanted Ad, you have to go into it with a degree of scepticism. I was cautious not to get too excited at having found the watch.

Saying that, the guy came into the chat waving red flags from all four limbs and every orifice...

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Riverside

You got lucky he didn't send you a video , fake watches obviously run well, and you can't tell what it is by seeing a video, or even with it in your hands,in my opinion, Facebook isn't a option for buying watches, no protection at all, like for instance Chrono24, where you can check a seller with very good record and reviews and have the watch for a few days before the seller gets the money. I never buy a secondary watch without this protection.

Ahh, that's the thing. I did get a video, and the seconds hand was gliding beautifully around the face. The problem was I had asked for the time and date to be set and this wasn't done, so I essentially rejected the video.

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casiodean

Nicely dodged. Your best bet is Chrono24 anyway.

Concur, but there's none for sale!

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As soon as I got the first picture with an incorrect watch I would have stopped the conversation. They definitely were a scammer but even if they weren't I can't stand trying to have a conversation with stupid people.

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Waybe_6

As soon as I got the first picture with an incorrect watch I would have stopped the conversation. They definitely were a scammer but even if they weren't I can't stand trying to have a conversation with stupid people.

I know what you mean. I was hoping it was just a guy with a few pieces to sell that had got mixed up. Alas...

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I have been advised to not post 'want to buy' posts on social forums, like Reddit or Facebook. You will quickly become the target of scammers. Good that you stayed so alert.

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If you use the Google app and perform an image search using the pictures he sent, it becomes certain that he just stole pictures from other websites.

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robbits

If you use the Google app and perform an image search using the pictures he sent, it becomes certain that he just stole pictures from other websites.

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Bingo! There we go, we have an answer. No fake watches, just a scammer trying to sell a watch they don't have!