I prefere a 16 watch collection than a single Rolex at the same price

I mean that with the cost of a Submariner you can buy 16 watches, as 4 Omega, 1 Grand Seiko spring drive, Seikos, Movados, Certinas, Tissots, Citizen Bull Head, I.N.O.X. Victorinox and so on.

That's my choice, my little point of view. What do you think about?

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I prefer it the same way but everyday I am thinking about reduce my collection to 5-10 pieces ... Hard choice ...😉

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I prefer it the same way but with a collection of 40 watches for the same price...

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It's a hard one. I'm a fan of Rolex watches at retail price I think they are good value for money. 

I'm not a fan of what Rolex have done in stiffiling supply pushing prices to 3 or 4 times retail. At these prices they offer poor value for money. 

So in short at retail I'd prefer one decent watch. As things stand fill my case with 20 others. 

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I have little interest in owning a Rolex.  I greatly prefer owning a small collection (smaller than 16) of quality, affordable watches.

Here are my reasons:

  1. I'm not overly worried if a watch lost/damaged/destroyed/stolen.  They're replaceable.  Therefore, I can wear a watch anywhere without getting stressed or being overly protective of it.
  2. I can get an attractive, quality watch for a modest price.
  3. Some style experts advise against wearing the same watch every day.
  4. While it's fun to discuss a one-watch collection, you're really supposed to wear a dress watch (or pocket watch) with a tuxedo, and wear some type of sport watch (diver, field, etc.) or other casual watch with very casual attire.  Even a two-watch or three-watch collection will handle this far better than a one-watch collection.
  5. I avoid status symbols, particularly obvious displays of wealth (like a Rolex).
  6. With a collection, I can have one or two quirky pieces, while mostly owning more timeless styles.
  7. A finance periodical (that I trust) did an article on Rolex, and stated that 60% of the price is due to the strength of the Rolex brand.  While I will often pay a small markup for a brand I trust, that's a large markup.
  8. I'd rather learn/practice modding on an affordable watch.
  9. On the other hand, I'd rather have a smaller collection, maybe 6 rather than 16, and wear each one a little more frequently.

Overall, I agree with you.  It makes more sense (to me) to own multiple watches.

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When a brand's identity becomes entwined with larger social connotations, it can become problematic.  And, depending upon how the manufacturer handles the situation, it can either redound to the brand's benefit...  or to its detriment.

Take Lamborghini, for example.  When I've spoken with hard-core sports car enthusiasts, invariably, when I've mentioned Lamborghini, these enthusiasts snort derisively, and say, "Lamborghini is a luxury brand, NOT a performance brand."  I've been told in no uncertain terms that if you want a real sports car, you buy a Porsche, or a Ferrari, or a McLaren.  If you want to be a crass show pony, I've been told, then you buy a Lamborghini.  Apparently, the brand's identity has been co-opted to now represent "status" as opposed to "racing performance."

Porsche, on the other hand, seems to have done a phenomenal job of preventing that sort of "brand hijacking."  Porsche began creeping dangerously close to the "status" connotation, and then did something utterly brilliant - they started releasing SUVs and cross-overs.  They made the Cayenne and the Macan perfectly accessible to soccer moms, and anyone who wanted access to the badge.  This has resulted in Porsche becoming the manufacturer with the highest margins of any manufacturer on the planet.  They also made the 911 plusher and softer and filled it with tons and tons of technology and goodies.  All of this would destroy Porsche's "performance" branding, were it not for their next genius move:  They turned around and plowed a bunch of that profit into increased R&D, and have funded the GT division to the gills.  The Porsche GT cars are UNDENIABLY about pure rip-your-face-off performance.  If anything, Porsche has further cemented its performance creds, and moved away from the "luxury" and "show pony" connotations.

Some watch brands (and we all know who they are), are falling dangerously close to becoming pure "status symbols" in the wider public consciousness.  That's good for their short-term revenues and profits; however, may not be so good for their brands in the long-term.  The public eye is fickle.  Once everyone gets sick of Instagram wrist shots, they'll move on to flashy jeans and butt-shots, or some such.  The question then becomes, will these watch brands be able to survive and thrive when it's just regular ol' watch people who want a nice watch who are the consumers, instead of those out to buy a "status symbol"?

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So many more "interesting" pieces out there.  Rolex just not worth the hassle and hype

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KiltedKarl

I have little interest in owning a Rolex.  I greatly prefer owning a small collection (smaller than 16) of quality, affordable watches.

Here are my reasons:

  1. I'm not overly worried if a watch lost/damaged/destroyed/stolen.  They're replaceable.  Therefore, I can wear a watch anywhere without getting stressed or being overly protective of it.
  2. I can get an attractive, quality watch for a modest price.
  3. Some style experts advise against wearing the same watch every day.
  4. While it's fun to discuss a one-watch collection, you're really supposed to wear a dress watch (or pocket watch) with a tuxedo, and wear some type of sport watch (diver, field, etc.) or other casual watch with very casual attire.  Even a two-watch or three-watch collection will handle this far better than a one-watch collection.
  5. I avoid status symbols, particularly obvious displays of wealth (like a Rolex).
  6. With a collection, I can have one or two quirky pieces, while mostly owning more timeless styles.
  7. A finance periodical (that I trust) did an article on Rolex, and stated that 60% of the price is due to the strength of the Rolex brand.  While I will often pay a small markup for a brand I trust, that's a large markup.
  8. I'd rather learn/practice modding on an affordable watch.
  9. On the other hand, I'd rather have a smaller collection, maybe 6 rather than 16, and wear each one a little more frequently.

Overall, I agree with you.  It makes more sense (to me) to own multiple watches.

well said! fantastic bullet point. totally agree.

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Mr.Dee.Bater

When a brand's identity becomes entwined with larger social connotations, it can become problematic.  And, depending upon how the manufacturer handles the situation, it can either redound to the brand's benefit...  or to its detriment.

Take Lamborghini, for example.  When I've spoken with hard-core sports car enthusiasts, invariably, when I've mentioned Lamborghini, these enthusiasts snort derisively, and say, "Lamborghini is a luxury brand, NOT a performance brand."  I've been told in no uncertain terms that if you want a real sports car, you buy a Porsche, or a Ferrari, or a McLaren.  If you want to be a crass show pony, I've been told, then you buy a Lamborghini.  Apparently, the brand's identity has been co-opted to now represent "status" as opposed to "racing performance."

Porsche, on the other hand, seems to have done a phenomenal job of preventing that sort of "brand hijacking."  Porsche began creeping dangerously close to the "status" connotation, and then did something utterly brilliant - they started releasing SUVs and cross-overs.  They made the Cayenne and the Macan perfectly accessible to soccer moms, and anyone who wanted access to the badge.  This has resulted in Porsche becoming the manufacturer with the highest margins of any manufacturer on the planet.  They also made the 911 plusher and softer and filled it with tons and tons of technology and goodies.  All of this would destroy Porsche's "performance" branding, were it not for their next genius move:  They turned around and plowed a bunch of that profit into increased R&D, and have funded the GT division to the gills.  The Porsche GT cars are UNDENIABLY about pure rip-your-face-off performance.  If anything, Porsche has further cemented its performance creds, and moved away from the "luxury" and "show pony" connotations.

Some watch brands (and we all know who they are), are falling dangerously close to becoming pure "status symbols" in the wider public consciousness.  That's good for their short-term revenues and profits; however, may not be so good for their brands in the long-term.  The public eye is fickle.  Once everyone gets sick of Instagram wrist shots, they'll move on to flashy jeans and butt-shots, or some such.  The question then becomes, will these watch brands be able to survive and thrive when it's just regular ol' watch people who want a nice watch who are the consumers, instead of those out to buy a "status symbol"?

great analysis. thank you.

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Mr.Dee.Bater

When a brand's identity becomes entwined with larger social connotations, it can become problematic.  And, depending upon how the manufacturer handles the situation, it can either redound to the brand's benefit...  or to its detriment.

Take Lamborghini, for example.  When I've spoken with hard-core sports car enthusiasts, invariably, when I've mentioned Lamborghini, these enthusiasts snort derisively, and say, "Lamborghini is a luxury brand, NOT a performance brand."  I've been told in no uncertain terms that if you want a real sports car, you buy a Porsche, or a Ferrari, or a McLaren.  If you want to be a crass show pony, I've been told, then you buy a Lamborghini.  Apparently, the brand's identity has been co-opted to now represent "status" as opposed to "racing performance."

Porsche, on the other hand, seems to have done a phenomenal job of preventing that sort of "brand hijacking."  Porsche began creeping dangerously close to the "status" connotation, and then did something utterly brilliant - they started releasing SUVs and cross-overs.  They made the Cayenne and the Macan perfectly accessible to soccer moms, and anyone who wanted access to the badge.  This has resulted in Porsche becoming the manufacturer with the highest margins of any manufacturer on the planet.  They also made the 911 plusher and softer and filled it with tons and tons of technology and goodies.  All of this would destroy Porsche's "performance" branding, were it not for their next genius move:  They turned around and plowed a bunch of that profit into increased R&D, and have funded the GT division to the gills.  The Porsche GT cars are UNDENIABLY about pure rip-your-face-off performance.  If anything, Porsche has further cemented its performance creds, and moved away from the "luxury" and "show pony" connotations.

Some watch brands (and we all know who they are), are falling dangerously close to becoming pure "status symbols" in the wider public consciousness.  That's good for their short-term revenues and profits; however, may not be so good for their brands in the long-term.  The public eye is fickle.  Once everyone gets sick of Instagram wrist shots, they'll move on to flashy jeans and butt-shots, or some such.  The question then becomes, will these watch brands be able to survive and thrive when it's just regular ol' watch people who want a nice watch who are the consumers, instead of those out to buy a "status symbol"?

I don’t know about the Porsche analogy. I work tangential to the auto industry, and in my experience most Porsche owners know only one thing: They own a Porsche. They don’t know their engine model or even displacement. They don’t know what sub class their 997 is. They just know that they own a Porsche. Same with with every dude with money who wants a luxury watch and only knows one brand: Rolex. 
 

Contrast that with people who own a Subaru WRX STi (arguably the Omega of sports cars).* STi owners are the true gear heads these days. Porsche owners never, ever tune their engines. STi owners do constantly. Those people know everything from their compression ratios to what exact temps the oil hits while doing pulls. They pay close attention to and love every detail. That is a real enthusiast with a passion for how things work.** (See Omega owners)

*The VW Golf with the TSI/TSFI engine is the Seiko. 

**Honorable mention to BMW M3 owners. Those dudes are insane. 

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OlDirtyBezel

I don’t know about the Porsche analogy. I work tangential to the auto industry, and in my experience most Porsche owners know only one thing: They own a Porsche. They don’t know their engine model or even displacement. They don’t know what sub class their 997 is. They just know that they own a Porsche. Same with with every dude with money who wants a luxury watch and only knows one brand: Rolex. 
 

Contrast that with people who own a Subaru WRX STi (arguably the Omega of sports cars).* STi owners are the true gear heads these days. Porsche owners never, ever tune their engines. STi owners do constantly. Those people know everything from their compression ratios to what exact temps the oil hits while doing pulls. They pay close attention to and love every detail. That is a real enthusiast with a passion for how things work.** (See Omega owners)

*The VW Golf with the TSI/TSFI engine is the Seiko. 

**Honorable mention to BMW M3 owners. Those dudes are insane. 

Too funny!  We're gonna turn this into a car forum.

  • Agreed 100% with you about the typical 911 owner
  • However, if you come across anyone with a GT3 or a GT4, then you immediately know that they know that you know that they know that you know
  • I love your WRX = Omega and TSI/TSFI = Seiko analogy!

I used to own an M2 Competition, and almost bought an M2 CS, but after a couple of years on Bimmerpost, the keyboard warriors ruined the entire brand for me, so got a Cayman T instead, called it a day, and became a watch person instead.

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Mr.Dee.Bater

Too funny!  We're gonna turn this into a car forum.

  • Agreed 100% with you about the typical 911 owner
  • However, if you come across anyone with a GT3 or a GT4, then you immediately know that they know that you know that they know that you know
  • I love your WRX = Omega and TSI/TSFI = Seiko analogy!

I used to own an M2 Competition, and almost bought an M2 CS, but after a couple of years on Bimmerpost, the keyboard warriors ruined the entire brand for me, so got a Cayman T instead, called it a day, and became a watch person instead.

Yeah that’s a good point about the GT3 and Cayman. I’m not even into Porsches, but damn the Cayman is a bitchin‘ car. It’s funny, too. Dudes with the 2.0L flat-4 never seem to be as stereotypical-middle-aged-entitled-white-dude as guys with the 3.8L flat-6. I could go on . . . 

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Car, watch, and pen people (honestly, mostly guys) are all part of the same spectrum.  Cost prevents most from having too many cars.  Practicality prevents you from owning too many pens (although I have some that I have never inked).  Watches hit the sweet spot, so 20 or 40 may not seem like too many (it is).

It may be that 15 watches, with five being workhorses (dress, sport, dive, etc.) and 10 being tastes and novelties, should keep interesting and useful pieces in rotation.  Sounds great in theory anyway.

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Aurelian

Car, watch, and pen people (honestly, mostly guys) are all part of the same spectrum.  Cost prevents most from having too many cars.  Practicality prevents you from owning too many pens (although I have some that I have never inked).  Watches hit the sweet spot, so 20 or 40 may not seem like too many (it is).

It may be that 15 watches, with five being workhorses (dress, sport, dive, etc.) and 10 being tastes and novelties, should keep interesting and useful pieces in rotation.  Sounds great in theory anyway.

I’m always wondering if I’ll ever get to the point with watches that I did with stereo equipment. I kept switching things out, flipping receivers/tables/speakers/cartridges until one day when I looked at my setup and said “okay, enough. What you have is extremely decent, and there’s no need to do this anymore. If you spend any more money, you’re going to 1) head down the road of diminishing returns and 2) turn into one of those dudes who is never happy with a piece of equipment even if it costs the same as a Kia.” 
 

I honestly have no idea if I’ll get to a point where I can say that about watches. God I hope so! 

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KiltedKarl

I have little interest in owning a Rolex.  I greatly prefer owning a small collection (smaller than 16) of quality, affordable watches.

Here are my reasons:

  1. I'm not overly worried if a watch lost/damaged/destroyed/stolen.  They're replaceable.  Therefore, I can wear a watch anywhere without getting stressed or being overly protective of it.
  2. I can get an attractive, quality watch for a modest price.
  3. Some style experts advise against wearing the same watch every day.
  4. While it's fun to discuss a one-watch collection, you're really supposed to wear a dress watch (or pocket watch) with a tuxedo, and wear some type of sport watch (diver, field, etc.) or other casual watch with very casual attire.  Even a two-watch or three-watch collection will handle this far better than a one-watch collection.
  5. I avoid status symbols, particularly obvious displays of wealth (like a Rolex).
  6. With a collection, I can have one or two quirky pieces, while mostly owning more timeless styles.
  7. A finance periodical (that I trust) did an article on Rolex, and stated that 60% of the price is due to the strength of the Rolex brand.  While I will often pay a small markup for a brand I trust, that's a large markup.
  8. I'd rather learn/practice modding on an affordable watch.
  9. On the other hand, I'd rather have a smaller collection, maybe 6 rather than 16, and wear each one a little more frequently.

Overall, I agree with you.  It makes more sense (to me) to own multiple watches.

Despite having a few pieces of rolexs and some other more expensive watches, you have no idea how many years it took me to realise all those points you listed. 

Well said and well done, i agree on every single point you stated 🙌🏼 

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Audio equipment, televisions, cars, pens, firearms, alcohol, watches... all these industries have a market satisfying everyone's individual budget and balance of quality vs quantity, luxury vs availability, artistry vs utility, etc. My issue with Rolex is that they have genuine quality and luxury but they're absurdly overpriced with the current artificial scarcity and inflated public image. That's where value comes into play: how much are you getting for your investment? Rolex may be a value at some price, but not the current price and hurdles to acquire one. Those who have the money and patience can spend it on a Submariner but I'll spend mine on far greater values.

For perspective: the Timex Ironman I wore at age 6 is available anywhere today and represents far more advanced timekeeping than any king could get for most of history. And my Grand Seiko SLGA007 "Lake Suwa" has art, engineering, and performance that would make both Leonardo Da Vinci and Abraham-Louis Breguet cry tears of joy and admiration.

I'm blessed with simple tastes. My tongue and nose can't even tell the difference between the bottom- and top-shelf whisky. While I can see and appreciate the rationale behind $100, $1k, $10k, and $100k watches -- I'm perfectly satisfied with the more value-oriented pieces. Can afford to have a couple, too.

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I don't want to wear the same watch every day.  I need at least 5 - different purposes, different clothes, gotta have a watch to go with the situation!

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jason_recliner

I don't want to wear the same watch every day.  I need at least 5 - different purposes, different clothes, gotta have a watch to go with the situation!

Meanwhile I’m wearing the same clothes every day at work and have a weekend uniform at home as well. Variety is cool but I personally prefer having one less thing to think about. To each their own!

Must admit, timepieces tempt me think twice about my variety/simplicity balance…

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Brewer

Meanwhile I’m wearing the same clothes every day at work and have a weekend uniform at home as well. Variety is cool but I personally prefer having one less thing to think about. To each their own!

Must admit, timepieces tempt me think twice about my variety/simplicity balance…

Sure, it depends on your life.  Some days I'm WFH, in meetings, or at a mine site.  Or just mooching around at the weekend.  I don't always want to wear my weekend-mooching watch in the boardroom (although sometimes I do).

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For the past few years that's been my attitude as well. I've been able to afford and appreciate a bunch of cool watches because I did not go the Rolex route. I don't think my attention span would be able to handle a 1 or 2 watch collection. I have no regrets because I must have variety.

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Four omegas for 9k? What? 

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Dulche

Four omegas for 9k? What? 

sub steel/gold 14.100 euros 

Speedmaster reduced 3.000

Aqua terra quartz 1.500

Geneve 800

aqua terra automatic 3.000

all the omegas used.

The Rolex steel gold street price 17.000 euros.

A Rolex at 9k it is hard to find.

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juniocaselli

sub steel/gold 14.100 euros 

Speedmaster reduced 3.000

Aqua terra quartz 1.500

Geneve 800

aqua terra automatic 3.000

all the omegas used.

The Rolex steel gold street price 17.000 euros.

A Rolex at 9k it is hard to find.

fair enough...but when i do those mental gymnastics on my own i usually think of current models. 

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Dulche

fair enough...but when i do those mental gymnastics on my own i usually think of current models. 

I understand! mine was an exaggeration made on purpose to say Rolex is overrated.