Aliexpress 👍👎?

Totally agree my friend,they dont justify it unfortunately its us the consumer buying there overpriced products that justify it for them buy stupidly buying them,said millions of times don't buy new boycott there horrible pricing and tactics and watch them fall down in price.

Why do they have to justify anything as long as they have costumers. Don’t get me wrong but watches are a sellers market. And we do everything to support it.

You vote with your wallet, for me I buy what I like, meaning I’ll never buy another omega, because of a bad experience I had with them.

Since we are discussing a China-related topic, just to share a Chinese saying that goes "there's a reason for everything that exists"; these Chinese watches exist and are selling for a reason.

The question was to create a debate,not an argument,the wording probably could have been different 🤔 I have never owned an Omega,but I do own a Tag & previously owned other Tags,and I personally cannot justify spending ££££££ when I can get nearly as good for ££ ! I'm probably easily pleased 🙃😉😆🤣

Great points that you have raised.

When a major brand makes a watch you are paying for more than the simple raw materials to make a watch and the labour to put it together

1. It takes knowledge and experience to make a design which is attractive to the consumer

2. It takes experience and past performance to have knowledgeable people on the pay roll who know how to take a watch from an idea to production

3. It takes large amounts of investment and cost to employ the best and most experienced people to work on physically creating the watch to the highest standards

4. There are many other issues that I’m sure other people can expand on

When you buy a watch that is a straight copy, then that manufacturer is essentially stealing the money, effort and the profit that the original inventor is entitled to for their initial intellectual property, knowledge, skill and heritage. If the copying manufacturer possessed these skills, then they would have been able to create their own watches rather than copying someone else’s creations.

Anyone can copy a painting by Pablo Picasso and say ‘look I only need to charge $20 because paper and paint are cheap’ yet the magic with a picassso is he came up with that

Painting and that is what you are paying for. His skill, intellectual property and ability, not the raw materials

Valid points,but most watch makers pinch/copy elements of others designs don't they ?

So many iconic watches,that have been extremely successful more than often aren't as original as they'd like you to believe.

Day/date doesn't have a patent,ceramic bezels have to be round ,to work,coloured dials.

The very 1st wrist watch is really the only original,apologies if I'm wrong,just debating.

Don’t forget we need our ivory towers to justify whatever price we pay :-D

So right, so,so,right.🤑🤑

Clearly the market is big enough for both - I don't see liking either is exclusive either. I love watches, some are expensive from historical brands and some are cheap Chinese (or wherever) companies.

Not a fan of Clomage's for the obvious reasons already stated by others, but can understand why many enthusiast's are, particularly newer or younger folks.

I just love watches in general, regardless.

Id just as happily talk to someone about their Boderry as their Patek.

Fantastic view. 👏👏👏

Here are a few reasons for why major brands' pricing is higher:

- Labour costs - even if a major brand is manufacturing in China, costs are likely to be higher than Ali brands to avoid the reputational damage of using "sweatshops" (I'm not suggesting that Ali brands use sweatshops just that major brands will incur costs ensuring that they don't.)

- Wholesale and retail distribution network

- Marketing

- Research and development

- Intellectual property protection. Filing patents and trademarks, taking legal action to protect them.

- Royalties for licensing intellectual property from other patent holders

- Warranty

- Insurance

- Compliance costs - auditing the supply chain to avoid labour or environmental y abuses and ensure toxic materials are not present in watches which reach the consumer.

- Employee pension funds and health insurance, especially if some of the firm is in the developed world, even if manufacturing is in China

- Profit to ensure the firm is sustainable in the long term by repaying debt, paying dividends to shareholders and storing as reserves to fund future innovation or as a cushion for future lean years.

Although the watches produced by major brands and Ali brands are physically very similar they serve different markets with different business models. I'm happy that there's space in the market for both of them.

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I fully agree that luxury goods have their own pricing dynamics, and pricing for watches does not follow a cost+ model that exists for commodity products or services.

That being said: I still see quite a bit of quality differences in the market below $1000. Heck, I'm even willing to spend $250 for a good German case alone, because the build quality and finish are that good.

That being said, at the moment I have a watch with an AliExpress case on my wrist. I spent the most money on the dial, about $130, and it is not from AliExpress. Neither are the bezel insert and the strap.

The problem is that once you can tell the difference, it is very hard to unsee.

Because they haven't invested in any R&D, don't pay for the use of intellectual property and have a very cheap labor force. And I'm being kind...

This is a complete minefield.

The very 1st wrist watch is really the only original,apologies if I'm wrong,just debating.

Day/date doesn't have a patent,ceramic bezels have to be round ,to work,coloured dials.

So many iconic watches,that have been extremely successful more than often aren't as original as they'd like you to believe.

I´ve seen a video about ali express temu and the others and it´s worse than you think.

They sell all your data and steal data from your phone, thats one reason they don´t need high prices.

They don´t care, if wares come from the concentration camps, where uyghurs and others are hold and are forced to work.

They steal designs and other things, because their government doesn´t care.

They fuck the environment, because nobody cares.

Even regular chinese workers are treatened so bad, many of them commit suicide or work to death.

If you buy from these shops you are supporting them and what they are doing.

Put a link up for this alleged video,I know a microbrand watch retailer that has his watches produced in China and has visited on many occasions.

Also 3 former clients of mine did a large amount of business in China,visiting the industrial areas their business wasn't watches but fabric!

They like many,many others use China because of cost.

You say,because I purchase mi support?

Can you honestly say that you don't buy ,or have bought anything from these criminals?

A trustworthy un edited link would be great 👍

I love a genuine debate 😌

Perhaps, but please tell me that the pictures of those watches that you posted aren't blatant copies of the SKX, Black Bay, 5305 and GS dial designs. Their business model is completely devoid of principles, which is another factor I should have probably added to my list. There is a difference between "homage" and "ripoff".