Sinn vs Zenith
Pretty cool stuff but I still prefer the Zenith . The brand, el primero movement and the heritage altogether put it higher for me vs the Sinn
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Alexander
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Agreed. Sinn does a solid build, but then puts in basic movements
It’s a great battle, but Zenith over Sinn…
V marginal if I have to choose but I agree that the Zenith would shade it for me partly due to the brand but also - and this may just be photography - because the dial looks more interesting with the raised star and the sunken sub-dials.
Both great looking though.
But the Sinn has the bigger star! ⭐
V marginal if I have to choose but I agree that the Zenith would shade it for me partly due to the brand but also - and this may just be photography - because the dial looks more interesting with the raised star and the sunken sub-dials.
Both great looking though.
100%. And grained dial with an aged steel case. But the Sinn gave me an idea to put the Zenith on a bund strap. Re photography, Sinn is professional pics (which I assume are enhanced) while Zenith was snapped on my phone with literally no enhancements. Just FYI.
Agreed. Sinn does a solid build, but then puts in basic movements
Easier to service though... I like the hardened steel with them but more often than not I don't love their designs. This one seems to fall within the exception. I do wonder though how the PVD would hold up vis-a-vis tegiment(ed)nation process. Tegimentation is supposed to make the case more resistant to scratching but PVD ain't that hard so WTF? is this a gimmick?
But the Sinn has the bigger star! ⭐
And it's lumed! 😉
Agreed. Sinn does a solid build, but then puts in basic movements
While I agree with this, I would argue that #sinn using basic movements is an advantage when it comes to servicing and maintaining since many watchmakers can work on the movement
Sinn do not use “basic” movements what they do is use top grade movements mainly from Sellita, which are regulated in-house resulting in very accurate and robust timepieces
Agreed. Sinn does a solid build, but then puts in basic movements
Sinn put in top grade movements in all their watches and many are modified to improve them. Far from basic
Easier to service though... I like the hardened steel with them but more often than not I don't love their designs. This one seems to fall within the exception. I do wonder though how the PVD would hold up vis-a-vis tegiment(ed)nation process. Tegimentation is supposed to make the case more resistant to scratching but PVD ain't that hard so WTF? is this a gimmick?
The process sinn use is to coat already tegamented metal that raises the hardness to around 1200v. then the coating is applied and raises the coated parts to over 2000v. If you get to see an older coated sinn they usually look like new after many years even bracelets and clasps 316l stainless steel is around 200v as a guide as to how hard the surface is on these
The process sinn use is to coat already tegamented metal that raises the hardness to around 1200v. then the coating is applied and raises the coated parts to over 2000v. If you get to see an older coated sinn they usually look like new after many years even bracelets and clasps 316l stainless steel is around 200v as a guide as to how hard the surface is on these
Over 2000 that's sapphire level hardness I think. Citizen's Duratect alpha should be around 2000-2200 Vickers.
Over 2000 that's sapphire level hardness I think. Citizen's Duratect alpha should be around 2000-2200 Vickers.
Bens watch club did a you tube video on case hardness and the hardest was ceramic closely followed by tegamented steel the citizen he tested was super titanium that was not very super he didn’t do Duratect great video https://youtu.be/0oX1itHnqcY?si=tkb35fEcpDbsnnhG
Disregarding the price Zenith is far superior and much more refined watch.
Disregarding the price Zenith is far superior and much more refined watch.
about twice the MSPR
It'd be interesting to see the tech side of this process. Being that PVD isn't all that hard to begin with, it is difficult form me to make the logical jump that applying not so hard layer on a hard layer raises the hardness of the underlying material. But then again, I'm no materials scientist. I know that Sinn watches "look like new after years of wear" but they produce mostly steel watches (i.e., without PVD or DLC). Come to think of it, DLC would be a harder finish as compared to PVD, from what I know about the two.
The bens watch club video they had a standard steel with a pvd coating that turned out to be much harder than you’d expect. Not sure if sinn use dlc but I can tell you it’s hard as can be. Witchcraft 😂
Ceramic is hard but fragile
I’ve heard story’s both ways but I wouldn’t like to find out to be honest. I’d treat them like I treat any watch that expensive. Carefully 🫣
I’ve heard story’s both ways but I wouldn’t like to find out to be honest. I’d treat them like I treat any watch that expensive. Carefully 🫣
Mind you saying that I’ve bashed my tuna about and the ceramic is like new and the coating on the watch is like new still. The keeper is showing signs of the metal on the edges
I’ve heard story’s both ways but I wouldn’t like to find out to be honest. I’d treat them like I treat any watch that expensive. Carefully 🫣
Yeah me too but in all honesty, although quite rarely, I have dropped a watch or two. It'd be a disaster for the case to crack or a piece to break off. That said, people say if you're not the type of guy who shatters sapphire crystals on their watches, you have nothing to worry about with ceramic cases. Like you said, I'd hate to find out the hard way.
Bens watch club did a you tube video on case hardness and the hardest was ceramic closely followed by tegamented steel the citizen he tested was super titanium that was not very super he didn’t do Duratect great video https://youtu.be/0oX1itHnqcY?si=tkb35fEcpDbsnnhG
I've seen it, but there are many grades to Citizen's titanium treatment. That's why I've said Duratect alpha, that's the hardest they can go. Amazing thread on WUS: https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/the-definitive-citizen-titanium-thread-super-titanium-ti-ip-duratect-mrk-dlc.3494498/
But I'm going totally off topic here
I've seen it, but there are many grades to Citizen's titanium treatment. That's why I've said Duratect alpha, that's the hardest they can go. Amazing thread on WUS: https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/the-definitive-citizen-titanium-thread-super-titanium-ti-ip-duratect-mrk-dlc.3494498/
But I'm going totally off topic here
Wow they haven’t made it easy for us have they 😂
about twice the MSPR
Well IMO it is ( at least ) twice the watch.
How many of you remember the television brand Zenith? I just can't bring myself to purchase that watch brand since every time I see the name I think about that crappy TV😝
Both looks great, but comparing it to the el Primero isn't fair lol
The bens watch club video they had a standard steel with a pvd coating that turned out to be much harder than you’d expect. Not sure if sinn use dlc but I can tell you it’s hard as can be. Witchcraft 😂
Here is the video about the actual watch. They explain the rationale behind it about 1/3 into the clip.
Of course they use. Sellitta is by definition a basic, off the shelf eubache movement that cost less than a 100 dollars. Whether elabore or top grade level, it's already semantics.
Just because a movement is in house does not necessarily make it superior and may be a lot cheaper than you think. However the actual costs are never revealed for obvious reasons
Just because a movement is in house does not necessarily make it superior and may be a lot cheaper than you think. However the actual costs are never revealed for obvious reasons
I know. But THAT IS the perception
I love chronographs and Sinn has some nice ones. I hadn't noticed them using a star on their dials. Is this common?
I love chronographs and Sinn has some nice ones. I hadn't noticed them using a star on their dials. Is this common?
It's for Revolution Watch collaborations. The star is revolutions logo
Agreed. The Dark Star is beautiful, but can't beat that El Primero movement.