HMT Janata: Too Affordable

The general public is spoiled for choice for affordable timepieces that exist outside of the hegemony of smartwatch makers like Apple, Samsung and Fitbit. Brands like Timex, Casio, Seiko, Citizen, Tissot, Hamilton and Swatch provide innumerable options for the discerning consumer. In the same vein, there are also companies that make affordable watches that are of decent quality, but don't necessarily capture the intrigue of the general public, like Orient, Vostok and microbrands like Phoibos, Brew and Spinnaker. With a few exceptions the most affordable watches are almost always quartz, with mechanical movements mostly being relegated to a higher price bracket, although not to the point of being prohibitively expensive. But what if you were strapped for cash and wanted a mechanical watch that cost the same as Cards Against Humanity?

Enter HMT. Relatively unknown in the West, HMT-short for Hindustan Machine Tools Limited-is an Indian-owned holdings group founded in 1953 by the Southern Asian country's government. Initially intended to produce machine tools (hence the name), HMT went on to make a variety of products such as tractors, die casting and starting in 1961, wristwatches. HMT built its first watchmaking factory in Bangalore with the help of Citizen, who allowed HMT to produce the 0201, a hand-winding 17-jewel caliber, under license, and the earliest HMTs released were made with discontinued Citizen tooling. However, the movements that powered HMT's watches eventually just became clones of Citizen calibers, with their own, unique serial numbers within the company. HMT produced millions of these watches until 2016, when they were shut down due to alleged corruption and mismanagement. However, they did restart production and sell watches on their official website. Nowadays, HMT has a very mixed reputation in the watch world, as they often are the basis of "frankenwatches", which are fake timepieces made up of several other watches. Often their dials are repainted in order to make a fake facsimile of more well-known watches, like Oris Big Crowns and Seiko 5s. Finding an "original" HMT is theoretically impossible, as some watch enthusiasts theorize that a majority of HMTs found on sites like eBay are frankenwatches. Even HMTs that don't attempt to fake more established wristwatches tend to have non-stock repainted dials.

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The HMT I have is the snake oil salesman of watch specs. It claims to be shockproof and “water and dust protected”, although a lack of proper gaskets typically found in water-resistant watches calls this statement into question. The dial is also in Devanagari numerals and text (without any lume), which is one of the most common alpha syllabaries in India. Knowing HMT, this dial is undoubtedly repainted, which is reinforced by the fact that the HMT logo is skewed slightly to the left. It's powered by HMT's 0231 manual wind mechanical movement (a clone of Citizen's 0201 movement), which beats at a low 18,000 bph, with a decent power reserve of 40 hours. It does not hack, and its accuracy is typically rated at +/-30 seconds per day, although according to my best timegrapher app, it’s more like +150 spd with an impressively bad beat error of 4.0ms…after regulation. The case, like most mass-produced watches, is made out of stainless steel, with a standard lug width of 18mm, with a conservative case diameter of 38.5mm (with the crown, roughly 36 without), a lug-to-lug distance of 44.2mm, a thickness of 9.6mm, along with an acrylic crystal.

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This specific model, the Janata (serial 140176) is purported to be the most common HMT model, and was typically given as a gift to graduates and newlyweds. If I was Indian and my family rewarded me with this watch after I married my beloved, I think I’d return the favor by giving them some ground coffee mixed with a considerable amount of Dulcolax. Yet again, if you think a $25 watch from eBay that’s powered by a clone of a 60-year-old Japanese movement that hasn’t been serviced in god knows how long is a good wedding or graduation gift, you deserve whatever bullshit your relatives throw your way.

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When I first set my own eyes on my Janata, it was exactly what I was expecting, although not in an inherently bad way. It's acrylic crystal and stainless steel case instantly reminded me of my now-broken Timex Marlin 34mm. They both feel very light, but not necessarily cheap; its lightness has to do more with its dimensions and movement than anything. Winding the watch was a bit confusing at first, since it takes 3 or 4 winds for the movement to actually start. And when it does, it can truly make quite a racket. Putting it on a hard surface like a table or kitchen countertop amplifies the movement's ticking, and it's definitely audible if you're close enough to it. In fact, you don't even have to press your ear up to the watch in order to hear it working; just holding it an inch or two away from it is enough. It's worse than a Timex Weekender; those only tick loudly once per second, whereas this HMT ticks five times per second. If you do decide to pick one of these up, I'd recommend a watchbox to put it in; otherwise you and anyone else that’ll be in the same room as it will hear it very clearly.

The genuine leather strap it came with was probably one of, if not the worst I've encountered in my entire watch-collecting career; the thing looks and feels more like a fleet vehicle's interior dashboard than it does leather. Thankfully I had a tolerable Hadley-Roma strap that fit the Janata lying around and slapped it onto there. 

The watch wears very well. Due to its vintage proportions, it's very easy for people of all wrist sizes to wear. It slips easily under a jacket or shirt cuff, and the risk of accidentally knocking into something with it is slightly lessened due to its thickness. The acrylic crystal scratches easily when it does bump into something, however. Any damage to the crystal can be easily fixed by properly applying some Polywatch to it. I do really enjoy the hand-painted dial. Even though the logo is slightly off kilter and it has dirt and dust under the crystal, I don't mind it, as I find the entire watch very endearing, in spite of its flaws. I think that it manages to be funky and exotic in its own unique way, while still being reserved enough to go with basically everything in your wardrobe.

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Overall, I think the HMT Janata is a fun, affordable piece that's great if you want to add some character to your collection. Personally I would recommend getting something a bit more modern or established like a Seiko 5, Orient Bambino, Vostok Amphibia or a Timex Marlin if you want to buy your first mechanical watch, since they're far higher quality in both their movements and craftsmanship. Getting them fixed or serviced will also be more sensible than getting your HMT repaired, since the postage alone could total it. Although there are aspects of HMTs that aren't exactly desirable, they are undeniably unique timepieces that you don't run into every day. While Joey Shufflebottom from r/watches will feel special when he shows up to a watch meet with his Zelos Great White Bronze, I guarantee you will get far more questions about your HMT than most people when you go.

HMT Janata: Too Affordable

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  • Definitely unique, is a conversation starter
  • Wears well
  • Has a nice acrylic crystal
  • Very affordable, cheaper than some digital Casios
  • Movement is hot garbage, performs horribly and is loud despite steel case
  • Dial is undoubtedly repainted
  • Stock strap was horrible
  • Kinda hard to get one, even harder to find a "real" one that works well
  • QC makes a Vostok Komandirskie look like a A. Lange & Sohne
  • Servicing it makes no sense due to low cost
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Amazing review. It's not often that you see these home-brands.

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Part of me wants to get one just for the fun of it, although it probably will have zero utility beyond taking space in my collection 

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Camille

Part of me wants to get one just for the fun of it, although it probably will have zero utility beyond taking space in my collection 

I think you should; I never wear mine but I still have it because I think it's waaay more interesting than my Tissots or Seikos, and most HMTs are under $40, so it's not like you'd be spending a ton of money on something that'll never see any action. It's sort of like a pocket watch in the way that it's simultaneously very interesting yet too offbeat for reliable daily use. It is, as Hunter S. Thompson once said, "too weird to live, and too rare to die".

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I think that you are being slightly too harsh on them (if accurate).  Where else can you get a mechanical watch that has a reasonable chance of running for less than $20.00?  It is no secret that the dials and cases have been refurbished.  Unlike Russian watches you won't find painted hands.

Mine is getting little wear until I replace the band (the most uncomfortable that I own).  But it is a beautiful little novelty.  If you are willing to pay the price of a fast food meal on the turnpike for a little flair, so be it. 

(Just to add:  I also think that the brand is uniquely central to India's sense of nationhood:  https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/features/971-and-counting-an-hmt-watch-collectors-eventful-journey-5011361.html ; https://www.mansworldindia.com/people/hmt-collectors/ ; https://www.windingritual.com/hmt-janata-watch-india-history-tribute/   Try to explain to a Hungarian that paprika is just another dried pepper.)

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Aurelian

I think that you are being slightly too harsh on them (if accurate).  Where else can you get a mechanical watch that has a reasonable chance of running for less than $20.00?  It is no secret that the dials and cases have been refurbished.  Unlike Russian watches you won't find painted hands.

Mine is getting little wear until I replace the band (the most uncomfortable that I own).  But it is a beautiful little novelty.  If you are willing to pay the price of a fast food meal on the turnpike for a little flair, so be it. 

(Just to add:  I also think that the brand is uniquely central to India's sense of nationhood:  https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/features/971-and-counting-an-hmt-watch-collectors-eventful-journey-5011361.html ; https://www.mansworldindia.com/people/hmt-collectors/ ; https://www.windingritual.com/hmt-janata-watch-india-history-tribute/   Try to explain to a Hungarian that paprika is just another dried pepper.)

You raise a good point. For $20 you aren't going be getting a mechanical watch that can stand up to something worth eight or nine times its price. Sure, it'll run, but it doesn't even hold a candle to something like the Seiko SNK809. Yet again the Janata (and most secondhand HMTs from eBay for that matter) are a prime example of spending too little money on a watch, especially a mechanical one. And this problem isn't necessarily limited to just HMTs, either; a lot of the time vintage watches that cost nothing tend to have similar issues. For all its worth you're better off buying a Casio; even an F-91w thrashes the Janata in terms of its quality and functionality.

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ofQuartz

You raise a good point. For $20 you aren't going be getting a mechanical watch that can stand up to something worth eight or nine times its price. Sure, it'll run, but it doesn't even hold a candle to something like the Seiko SNK809. Yet again the Janata (and most secondhand HMTs from eBay for that matter) are a prime example of spending too little money on a watch, especially a mechanical one. And this problem isn't necessarily limited to just HMTs, either; a lot of the time vintage watches that cost nothing tend to have similar issues. For all its worth you're better off buying a Casio; even an F-91w thrashes the Janata in terms of its quality and functionality.

For me, I only look for +/- 2 minutes per 24 hours accuracy in my vintage pieces.  To expect anymore is fool's errand.  An old quartz Casio will beat them anytime.  To my tastes that old accurate Casio (apologies to Casio lovers) reminds me of school trips to the roller rink to be with sweaty, pimply, eighth graders while Steve Miller Band played loudly in the background. 

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ofQuartz

I think you should; I never wear mine but I still have it because I think it's waaay more interesting than my Tissots or Seikos, and most HMTs are under $40, so it's not like you'd be spending a ton of money on something that'll never see any action. It's sort of like a pocket watch in the way that it's simultaneously very interesting yet too offbeat for reliable daily use. It is, as Hunter S. Thompson once said, "too weird to live, and too rare to die".

Mine came in yesterday. A whopping ten bucks and so far, so good. Seems to be in good shape, considering it arrived in a piece of disposable Tupperware! Ha!

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I think you might have received a franken or abused watch. Also the ebay Indian sellers are notorious to spoil the brand with franken stuff. I am using HMTs for more than 5 years and are fine. They are silent and there is not such weird time differences that you are facing. I think someone sold you a really bad watch.