Did you agree that鈥檚 a gap of watches with great appreciation between $1500-$3000 in many of the brands? With the exception of some Longines and microbrands

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Can you elaborate on what you mean? Are you asking about watches that appreciate in value in that price range?

Do you mean many brands don't have a lot of by way of great selection within that price range?

Law of Diminishing Returns.

There is a gap above $1,200-1,800 which is a range that gets you a huge step up in specs and quality vs $500-$700. In the former range you have maxed out potential for cash paid.

Then your next area of fun is around the $3,600-$5,000 range. Precious metals, subtle improvements in finishing and materials that the non-WIS won't see, even if you point it out to them. Work that only shows with macro photography but is there.

Above $5K, you are paying for either precious metals, a big marketing budget or the name on the dial. Of course there are exceptions for very low production numbers and high end complications.

I think @biglove nailed it 馃幆

This is due to market forces, and once you add the heightened quality of micros these days, it is unlikely to change (and should it?).

I wouldn鈥檛 count on appreciation on watches generally. I specifically wouldn鈥檛 expect anything but depreciation on anything under $5k.

Now, this is just my opinion, and I鈥檓 not claiming to have a deep data pool to support this. But $5k as a price point is a limitation for a lot of people - fairly - because if you have a family and are making the average salary that鈥檚 really hard to make happen. In my opinion, this brings more 鈥榬arity鈥, for lack of a better term, which stabilizes (not appreciates I note) the value of watches above this price point (because if you can afford to it, you don鈥檛 typically have to sell unless you get a good offer).

Conversely, at the $1500-$3000 price point you mention, lots more people can afford them - meaning easier availability of used watches. You can鈥檛 expect appreciation, or even value stability, because it鈥檚 not a huge stretch for most people. It鈥檒l fit on a most people鈥檚 credit card new, with warranty, at a reasonable price. So if you want to sell one used, you have to expect to offer at a discount, and a deep one, otherwise the buyer is better off buying new.

For instance, I have two Ball watches in my primary collection, and compared to MSRP I knew going in (because I watched Chrono 24) that the brand loses a bunch of value as a used watch. I bought one at a steep discount at Jomashop (which is something I鈥檒l never do again) and one at MSRP directly from Ball (because I wanted that specific model).

All of this isn鈥檛 to say that watches in this price range are bad, or not worth buying. It just means you can typically find them at a discount used or grey, again killing any chance at appreciation.

TheMightyOz

I wouldn鈥檛 count on appreciation on watches generally. I specifically wouldn鈥檛 expect anything but depreciation on anything under $5k.

Now, this is just my opinion, and I鈥檓 not claiming to have a deep data pool to support this. But $5k as a price point is a limitation for a lot of people - fairly - because if you have a family and are making the average salary that鈥檚 really hard to make happen. In my opinion, this brings more 鈥榬arity鈥, for lack of a better term, which stabilizes (not appreciates I note) the value of watches above this price point (because if you can afford to it, you don鈥檛 typically have to sell unless you get a good offer).

Conversely, at the $1500-$3000 price point you mention, lots more people can afford them - meaning easier availability of used watches. You can鈥檛 expect appreciation, or even value stability, because it鈥檚 not a huge stretch for most people. It鈥檒l fit on a most people鈥檚 credit card new, with warranty, at a reasonable price. So if you want to sell one used, you have to expect to offer at a discount, and a deep one, otherwise the buyer is better off buying new.

For instance, I have two Ball watches in my primary collection, and compared to MSRP I knew going in (because I watched Chrono 24) that the brand loses a bunch of value as a used watch. I bought one at a steep discount at Jomashop (which is something I鈥檒l never do again) and one at MSRP directly from Ball (because I wanted that specific model).

All of this isn鈥檛 to say that watches in this price range are bad, or not worth buying. It just means you can typically find them at a discount used or grey, again killing any chance at appreciation.

Why jomashop is not a good choice? Warranty reason?

jumpman788

Why jomashop is not a good choice? Warranty reason?

My experience wasn鈥檛 good.

I bought my Ball Trainmaster from them, and it was advertised as new/unworn and with a Fahrenheit TMT. When it arrived it had clearly been worn, and worse, the temperature scale was Celsius. I emailed them, with no response. I called and was on hold so long their office hours ended before I got anyone on the phone.

So, I decided to just keep the watch anyway. What else was there to do? I did get a good deal, and figured they didn鈥檛 give a care about customer service so I wasn鈥檛 going to get anywhere anyway. I liked the watch, though I was dissatisfied with Jomashop.

Then, I got an automated email from Jomashop asking me to write a review! And so, I did! I wrote everything that happened and since it was so recent I went into every detail. Suddenly, after the review was posted, Jomashop found the time to email me! Rather than risk returning the watch to them (and who knows if I鈥檇 actually get a refund given their record thus far) I proposed a discount off the original price. They agreed, with the request that I take the review down. I agreed, and that鈥檚 how we finally settled the matter. I鈥檝e since read of others that had similar experiences regarding negative reviews.

That was my experience, and others have had different experiences. I don鈥檛 believe that every transaction they have goes as badly as mine did, because if so there鈥檚 no way they鈥檇 still be in business no matter how much they discount. But as far as I鈥檓 concerned, watches are too expensive and too big of a purchase to play these kind of games.