When do 9015-powered watch prices start to sound ridiculous?

I wanted to to a series of polls for the sake of a consensus and curiosity!

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E. Depends on the watch. 

I view the 9015 as about equal to a 2824/SW200, so I don't think of it in terms of a "budget watch" only movement. 

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Nothing about watch pricing surprises me, anymore.

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My lack of knowledge on Japanese calibers betrays me here :( Based on the choices, it must be a more high-end Miyota?  Don’t SW200-1 movements go for around $200-$300 USD? Or are the choices in the poll Australian Dollars?

Edit: I thought this was the price of movement only, not the whole watch.  Ignore my medication-induced rambling 😂 

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I own several watches with the 9x movements and I've had zero issues with performance or reliability.  I think the 9x movements were a great improvement over the previous 8x workhorse units.

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ds760476

Nothing about watch pricing surprises me, anymore.

I'll need a few more years to come to that conclusion I feel like. 

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HoroMichigan

My lack of knowledge on Japanese calibers betrays me here :( Based on the choices, it must be a more high-end Miyota?  Don’t SW200-1 movements go for around $200-$300 USD? Or are the choices in the poll Australian Dollars?

Edit: I thought this was the price of movement only, not the whole watch.  Ignore my medication-induced rambling 😂 

All usd, I should have clarified but my medication-induced brain is too lazy to fix it 😂

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SurferJohn

I own several watches with the 9x movements and I've had zero issues with performance or reliability.  I think the 9x movements were a great improvement over the previous 8x workhorse units.

It's starting to become my favorite and preferred movement. 

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I agree with KristianG... It depends. 

What it depends on in my opinion is if it is an off-the-shelf 9015 or if the particular manufacturer has modified the 9015 and if the movement is now within COSC parameters. When watch manufactures start charging in excessive a couple of thousand $$ for a watch I expect them to have a researched and developed in-house movements with all the bugs worked out. 

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That movement retails for $90.00 USD and isn't that impressive to begin with. NH35 is still a better movement for $60.00. 

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OldSnafu

That movement retails for $90.00 USD and isn't that impressive to begin with. NH35 is still a better movement for $60.00. 

I'm curious, what about the NH35 makes it a better movement? 

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HoroMichigan

My lack of knowledge on Japanese calibers betrays me here :( Based on the choices, it must be a more high-end Miyota?  Don’t SW200-1 movements go for around $200-$300 USD? Or are the choices in the poll Australian Dollars?

Edit: I thought this was the price of movement only, not the whole watch.  Ignore my medication-induced rambling 😂 

ETA and Selita have been both getting the Chinese to build some of their movements for them. The Swiss probably do final assembly and oiling which is the only downfall of the Chinese manufacturing process. ETA finished replacement movements are around $400.00. Selita around $200.00. ETA clones from $50 to $200 made in China. Seiko nh35 is around $60 with chinese clones around $30. Miyota 9 series is $90 to $100 with 8 series around $40. Chinese 2813 (near 8 series clone) around $13.00 all USD

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KristianG

I'm curious, what about the NH35 makes it a better movement? 

The 9 series is just the 8 series with a faster beat rate. All the Miyotas are noisy and no more reliable than the NH series. In the used market the Seiko powered ones are sought after more. Miyota licenced their 8 series  movement a long time ago and the QC storm that brought lingers with their reputation. India pretty much invented the Frankenwatch brand. Shake a Miyota to hear it.

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OldSnafu

ETA and Selita have been both getting the Chinese to build some of their movements for them. The Swiss probably do final assembly and oiling which is the only downfall of the Chinese manufacturing process. ETA finished replacement movements are around $400.00. Selita around $200.00. ETA clones from $50 to $200 made in China. Seiko nh35 is around $60 with chinese clones around $30. Miyota 9 series is $90 to $100 with 8 series around $40. Chinese 2813 (near 8 series clone) around $13.00 all USD

You really know your movements. I saw a Ben’s Watch Club video where he was reviewing some Steinhart watches, and referenced your knowledge in his video.  When I saw it, I thought “hey! I know that profile picture”.  I think it’s his newest video. The one with the skeletonized movement.

Edit: Stührling watches, not Steinhart

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OldSnafu

The 9 series is just the 8 series with a faster beat rate. All the Miyotas are noisy and no more reliable than the NH series. In the used market the Seiko powered ones are sought after more. Miyota licenced their 8 series  movement a long time ago and the QC storm that brought lingers with their reputation. India pretty much invented the Frankenwatch brand. Shake a Miyota to hear it.

Fair points, it makes sense that the 9000 series movements would be an evolution rather than a revolution. Why start from scratch when you have a functional foundation to build on? 

The 9000 series have a higher beat rate and are thinner, allowing for thinner watches. The thinness alone more than compensates for the unidirectional winding in my mind. 

As for what is more sought after in the used market, I suspect that has more to do with all the Seiko fanboying all over the internet than any actual practical considerations.

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Aragon (fka Android) was making 300m Dive watches with 9015 movements years ago selling for in a lot of cases under $200. Their fit and finish were on par with watches 3-5x the price