Pocket watches-Camerer Koss and John Elkan
I posted a few weeks ago on a Benson pocket watch which had belonged to my Father and Grandpa.
This had been found after a long time missing in my mum's house following her passing.
That watch is currently being serviced and refurbished by my good friend @GasWorks
Well today I found two more pocket watches in a shoe box hidden away in the loft.
The first is a John Elkan from I believe the 1920s in good condition and now running
The second is older and more interesting. It's a Camerer Koss and Co from pre 1914. From my initial research I think this may have had a Longines or even Omega movement? It came complete with chain but appears to need a winding key which I don't have!
Any pocket watch enthusiasts or collector with any knowledge on either of these lucky finds?
I have never seen them before today and they were not used by my father or Grandpa to my knowledge.
Any ideas on their history?
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If I did my research correctly the Silver marks indicate London (the walking lion) 1927 (date letter M). Can't be more help, sorry.
If the date is right that doesn't add up as the name on the front changed from Koss to Coss during the first World War to get away from the German spelling? So if you are right the cashback does not match the dial which is entirely possible I suppose?
If the date is right that doesn't add up as the name on the front changed from Koss to Coss during the first World War to get away from the German spelling? So if you are right the cashback does not match the dial which is entirely possible I suppose?
I have had a closer look at the markings. The lion Passant is the mark for Sterling Silver [925], The leopards head is for London. The date letter looks to be 1887 now. Here is a link so you can check for yourself.
https://www.silvercollection.it/englishsilverhallmarks.html
I have had a closer look at the markings. The lion Passant is the mark for Sterling Silver [925], The leopards head is for London. The date letter looks to be 1887 now. Here is a link so you can check for yourself.
https://www.silvercollection.it/englishsilverhallmarks.html
I was looking it up and came to the same conclusion. (1927 seemed too late.)
I have had a closer look at the markings. The lion Passant is the mark for Sterling Silver [925], The leopards head is for London. The date letter looks to be 1887 now. Here is a link so you can check for yourself.
https://www.silvercollection.it/englishsilverhallmarks.html
Blimey thank you!
These are beautiful ❤
Wish I had a loft full of hidden gems!
You'll keep Gareth busy for sure!
These are beautiful ❤
Wish I had a loft full of hidden gems!
You'll keep Gareth busy for sure!
Yep for certain! I'm still adrift my mum's gold wristwatch which is hidden away somewhere. The house is literally a treasure trove!
Im a great fan of those ol pocket watches>>>>
Im a great fan of those ol pocket watches>>>>
I know very little at the moment but I've inherited three of them so I'm learning as I go!
What I can tell you is that these are watches most enthusiasts really want but no amount of money can buy if they simply don't exist and that is "family" watches. Owners of family watches imho are merely diligent stewards for the next generation and play an integral part in maintaining the history and provenance of these heirlooms. Consider being doubly sure that these newest finds aren't family related before parting with them and congratulations on this chapter.
Indeed, the Camerer Kuss and Co dates to 1887. Without seeing the movement, not much to be said of it. Saw watches by Camerer Kuss featuring a Swiss or French generic one in the general styles called "Lepine" after J.A. Lepine, mostly "Lepine IV" and "Lepine V." But they have also used movements by Longines alright. I'm afraid my crystal ball and ESP remote viewing don't work, so I'd have to see a photo of the movement to tell you more.
What I can tell you is that these are watches most enthusiasts really want but no amount of money can buy if they simply don't exist and that is "family" watches. Owners of family watches imho are merely diligent stewards for the next generation and play an integral part in maintaining the history and provenance of these heirlooms. Consider being doubly sure that these newest finds aren't family related before parting with them and congratulations on this chapter.
Thank you. I very much doubt I will sell either of these two. Although I'm not personally aware of their history within my family I do know I had several Uncles on my Dads side who served in the first world war. One of these, Uncle Fred who died in the early 1970s had no children of his own. He left me a bit of money at that time in his will. He must have been my great uncle and uncle to my Dad. I suspect thinking about it that one or both of these may well have been his. I will be keeping them!
Indeed, the Camerer Kuss and Co dates to 1887. Without seeing the movement, not much to be said of it. Saw watches by Camerer Kuss featuring a Swiss or French generic one in the general styles called "Lepine" after J.A. Lepine, mostly "Lepine IV" and "Lepine V." But they have also used movements by Longines alright. I'm afraid my crystal ball and ESP remote viewing don't work, so I'd have to see a photo of the movement to tell you more.
That's great information thank you! Certainly older than I thought. I could only determine it was pre first world war from the pre anglicised spelling using k rather than c. I will get into the movement take some more pictures and report back!
Wow
Indeed, the Camerer Kuss and Co dates to 1887. Without seeing the movement, not much to be said of it. Saw watches by Camerer Kuss featuring a Swiss or French generic one in the general styles called "Lepine" after J.A. Lepine, mostly "Lepine IV" and "Lepine V." But they have also used movements by Longines alright. I'm afraid my crystal ball and ESP remote viewing don't work, so I'd have to see a photo of the movement to tell you more.
I haven't got a picture of the yet as its not obvious to me how to get the caseback off abd I don't want to damage it. I will ask my friend with more knowledge to get into it then post some pictures.
Very cool! 👏