Bites: 5 signs of the lady and gentleman enthusiast UPDATED: Timefactors release this weekend

Happy Tuesday Crunchers!

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So what on earth could I possibly teach you classy fellas and ladies about gentlemanly watch wearing?? Well, my ramblings in this week’s newsletter are in fact more about what you amazing guys and ladies have taught me over the course of the past year while we've been sharing this small corner of the internet together, but before we get into all that, lets take a minute to talk about Cocaine Bear!

For those of you who have been buried so deep in your watch box that you haven’t heard of this film, it is very much what it says on the tin. Based on a true story about a bear finding (and eating) trafficked cocaine lost in the wilderness of Tennessee in the 1980’s. This film is an absolute gem for watch spotting! Casio’s, Swatches and loads of others that I didn’t recognise. The internet wont even tell me what these watches are, so I need someone to volunteer to go watch it and update me on what you can identify!

Now, let's start with our weekly rundown of events, new watches, hot posts and super articles, and then we can talk about the lady and gentleman watch enthusiast.

The New Member Welcome

A big WC welcome to some of our newest members who I have seen posting this week… @JB28JB, @Beltane63, @OnePingOnly, @MadShepard, @SIMON.KILVINGTON, @Andylaverick, @L_Dogg, @Arthur_Mo, @arment, @Mitchellb67, @Maxibaby, @Big_g_0709, @Randallj, @Dgward, @Scottro, @TexasTBone, @cmike0210, @AdamZeee, @CurtWatchGuy, @NightWatch.

Meetups and Events

Check out @SurferJohns post and pics from his recent EPIC two day meetup in Ventura! (Post from day 2 here!)

Upcoming Events and meetups:

Portland Oregon Watch Crunch Meetup, 28th Feb

District Time by Tsao Baltimore: watch event – Washington – 4th-5th March

Birmingham Clock and Watch Fair, Birmingham, UK – 12th March

London WatchCrunch Meetup: Part II, London, March 31st

Watches and Wonders 2023, Geneva, Switzerland – March 27th – April 2nd

WatchCrunch Meetup @ Watches and Wonders – Geneva, Switzerland – April 1st

Windup Watch Fair 2023, San Francisco, CA – April 28th – 30th

Cruise ship Meetup! New Jersey to UK – 5th May

Windup Watch Fair 2023, Chicago – July 14th – 16th

Windup Watch Fair 2023, New York – October 20th – 22nd

Let me know if you know of any other meetups and I’ll add them to our weekly calendar.

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Last weeks photography theme of ‘Tool watches Tooling’ was set by @BigIona. You can see his runner up photograph choices in this weeks thread, along with this weeks guest judge @TheSharperTheBetter’s competition theme.

@BigIona chose two winners from last week, one in the the category of ‘active tooling’ taken by @DeepCmonkey, and one in ‘passive tooling’ taken by @IanCognito.

Big congratulations to both of you!

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@DeepCmonkey

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@IanCognito

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Here are this week’s watch releases. I have to say, I never realised how many watches were coming out EACH WEEK until I started compiling this list!

If I hear about any watch releases that I think folks would want to know about before the next newsletter then I’ll update this post.

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Copied from an email from Timefactors to my inbox today:

The store will be open on Sunday 5th March at 1400hrs [UK]

This weekend's store opening sees the first availability for this year of the Smiths Everest Honeycomb, plus there will be more availability of the Everest Expedition. Strictly limited to one per customer.

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Top row left to right: New citizen colours, New Sinn, Beautiful new enamel dial H.Moser & Cie, A look at the new Christopher Ward colours

Second row: New Parmigiani, Neicarl, New Nomos, New Meistersinger, New smaller sized RM

Third row: Arcanaut Arc, Circula, Ochs und Junior, Ztage, New Longines

Fourth row: Hublot Tourbillon, Armitron new releases, Raymond Weil small seconds, Wu Tang G-shock, Airain

Fifth row: Louis Erard small seconds, Nivada Grechen meca-quartz, Gold G-shock Casioak De Bethune Titan Hawk Hanhart Fleiger

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Here is this week’s selection of hot topics that got people chatting:

@Lax019 has the same horology axe to grind as TGV, and others happily join in the discussion: Horology – Really?

@Skinflint takes an alternative look at homage watches through the lens of guitar designs: Homage watches – My version of the truth

@DixonSteele opens up about those little things that are supremely annoying: Watch pet peeves

@rowiphi opens a whole can of worms when he brings up one of his OCD triggers: Trigger warning OCD rant

@Gasworks has put up for charity auction his gorgeous one of a kind limited edition WC watch which was built with the community hive mind: Project Build a Camel Auction.

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This week’s selection of longer posts are a combination of fun, informative, rants and reviews.

@Shakespeare has created a brilliant series of posts about The Beatles and their watches. Find Part VII here, but check out the other instalments in this series which he as linked to in the post: The Beatles and their watches: Part VII The Pocket Watches.

@Edge168n has returned from London in his latest column for the watch-spotting enthusiast, filled with loads of nuggets of watch info and lovely pictures: Watch in the Wild: Home by the sea

@LRFAntiqueWatches has written about Elgin, Waltham and WWI military watches in this week’s vintage article: WWI US Army surplus watches sold to the general public

@Chronoguy does another ChatGPT collaboration and schools us on Doxa heritage: A brief history of Doxa

@Aurelian rants in a most eloquent way about ‘The collectors journey’ and ‘Watches that speak to us’: My Holden Caulfield problem

@Porthole feels Chrono24 (and others) are missing the point of watch collecting: Just stop – and that’s about it from me

My pick from the reviews section this week goes to @Ryan_Schwartz and his fun and humorous look at a vintage Doxa: Oris 1950s military watch review.

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I bet a lot of you think you already know what I'm going to say... 'Wear the correct watch for the occasion', 'Don't wear your watch loose', 'Don't wear a watch too small/large'.... but you'd be wrong.

I'm sure many of you have seen those YouTube videos about 'How to wear a watch?', 'Watch wearing mistakes', ' Watch rules EVERY guy should know!'.... It's generally all the same advice about the aesthetics and style of watch wearing, and there's nothing wrong with any of these suggestions for people who are new to the watch game. It's good to learn the rules... and then learn how to break them... but that's not where I'm going today.

Today's discussion was sparked by @meremortal and his review of the Straum Opphav.

From @meremortal:

"This is a classic gentlemans dress watch with all of the quiet understatement a true gentleman desires."

Now this got me thinking... Which watches would I imagine the gentleman/lady enthusiast wearing?

After some thought, and consideration of the many interactions I've had with watch-people both in person and online, I came to the conclusion that gentlemanly watch wearing is not about the type of watch you wear, where on your wrist it sits, what colour strap you pair with a blue suit or if you choose to go big or small. To me it's much more to do with attitudes and behaviours.

Over the years I've picked up on some traits and habits that the real gents and ladies of the watch collecting world all seem to demonstrate, so here are my observations....

1. They appreciate the diversity of the watch world

Nothing says class like being open minded and non-judgmental. Even if a watch isn't to their taste they enjoy the variety of styles in the watch collecting game and retain an open mind when engaging with other people and their collections. They never look down on others purely due to a difference in watch choices and they understand that the diversity in the watch world gives us opportunities to learn and challenge our own ideas. They do not use their watch choices as a reason to feel superior to others.

2. They have passionate discussions

They show class through the way they treat others, showing compassion and being humble, but they will also call out the watch snobs when needed. They are honest when expressing their opinions, but will do so with respect and discretion. They understand that expressing a difference in opinion is not an attack on a person's character and that there is much to be gained from a good debate.

3. They make up their own mind

They listen to a variety of view points on watch topics and brands before coming to their own conclusions. They understand they are not immune to the power of influence but they see it for what it is and do not mindlessly join in the group-think. They do not shy away from questioning and challenging the status quo when needed and are equally happy to have themselves challenged in return.

4. They celebrate their personality

They see watches as an expression of their personal style and an opportunity to display their personality. They are confident in making their own choices and are equally as open to admitting when a choice didn't work out as planned on the wrist. They enjoy their own watch journey (sorry @Aurelian!) and are happy to see others enjoying theirs.

5. They enjoy their watches, but are not defined by them

They don't let watches rule their life. They don't let them define their identity. They don't let them define their own personal value. They understand that what gives us value is from within, our confidence and our self-esteem.

So these are my thoughts after 18 months of interacting with this wonderful watch community and the numerous ladies and gents that I have had the pleasure of chatting to both on here and at our meetups.

So what are your thoughts?

What do you see as the signs of a gentleman/lady enthusiast?

Is the 'gentlemanly watch' a real thing, or all subjective?

Is it just about which watch you choose to pair with a blue suit?

That's me done for another week. Take care folks, and stay classy.

Kaysia.

P.S. I score about a 2.5/5!

Banner photo: A gorgeous photograph from @chunghauphoto. One of many lovely gents on WatchCrunch.

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Great post again! I agree with your classifications of what makes a gentleman/lady/x. Being considerate, being appreciative goes a long way. I might also add; they don't take themselves too serious and can approach serious things light-heartedly and with humour.

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Thank you Kaysia for the shout out. Much appreciated.

We need to raise as much as we can in terms of awareness and money to help support families affected by the absolute ba***rd that is Dementia.

The watch is particularly awesome, designed as it was by the wonderful WC committee.

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For all those who have bid so far, thank you, you are special people.

For those who haven't bid... step into my chamber of delights...

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rowiphi

Great post again! I agree with your classifications of what makes a gentleman/lady/x. Being considerate, being appreciative goes a long way. I might also add; they don't take themselves too serious and can approach serious things light-heartedly and with humour.

Thank you! 🙏

And yes, great point! Good humour should definitely be in there. 👍

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Great Post @Deeperblue and thanks @BigIona for choosing my pic 🙏

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OxandBuck

Great Post @Deeperblue and thanks @BigIona for choosing my pic 🙏

It is a very cool photo 👌

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Great post!

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Great job with the Bites Kaysia and great photographers we have the fortune to follow.

Very valid points you came up with. To me, #3 is key and a good start for the other 4. Your watches is for you and if you aren’t sure your watch, or your collection, is to your liking there is slim changes you will feel happy in your watch collecting. If you feel good about your own watches it’s easier to listen to others journey without being clouded with own discontent.

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This is the first of these weekly digests I've seen, and I'm utterly astonished. What a joy to read. I can't imagine the effort (passion) that goes into this. Thank you.

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JBird7986

Great post!

Thank you! 🍻

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YourIntruder

Great job with the Bites Kaysia and great photographers we have the fortune to follow.

Very valid points you came up with. To me, #3 is key and a good start for the other 4. Your watches is for you and if you aren’t sure your watch, or your collection, is to your liking there is slim changes you will feel happy in your watch collecting. If you feel good about your own watches it’s easier to listen to others journey without being clouded with own discontent.

Insightful as always my friend.

'Tend your own garden' as they say.

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doc8404

This is the first of these weekly digests I've seen, and I'm utterly astonished. What a joy to read. I can't imagine the effort (passion) that goes into this. Thank you.

Thank you so much for the incredibly kind feedback 🙏

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Great, thanks @Deeperblue , now we will have a flood of unironic uses of the watch collecting "journey". My delicate sensibilities may not be able to handle it.

I have collected a few things in my life and I don't remember the "journey" metaphor being used in those fields. I thought perhaps they use it in something high falutin' like porcelain collecting. I gave up looking, but not before I found a forum devoted to antique rototiller collecting. Somehow, antique mechanical garden equipment does not speak to me.

My journey continues:

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I think the foremost characteristic of a watch gentleman is that he doesn't start a watch-related pissing contest. I've seen many watch-related discussions end badly, both online and in person, and once the validity of the other person's choice is questioned, or directly linked to status, things went somewhere in a hand basket.

It requires a certain amount of self-restraint to be that type of gentleman, IMHO.

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Aurelian

Great, thanks @Deeperblue , now we will have a flood of unironic uses of the watch collecting "journey". My delicate sensibilities may not be able to handle it.

I have collected a few things in my life and I don't remember the "journey" metaphor being used in those fields. I thought perhaps they use it in something high falutin' like porcelain collecting. I gave up looking, but not before I found a forum devoted to antique rototiller collecting. Somehow, antique mechanical garden equipment does not speak to me.

My journey continues:

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Oops, I slipped in a journey in there, didn’t I. Sorry🥹

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Thanks for the mention! I'm glad my review made an impact. More on the way!

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Wow, a lot of effort goes into these weekly Bites! Well done @Deeperblue 👏 👏 👏

And thanks for picking my photo as one of the winners, @BigIona 😀👍

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IanCognito

Wow, a lot of effort goes into these weekly Bites! Well done @Deeperblue 👏 👏 👏

And thanks for picking my photo as one of the winners, @BigIona 😀👍

Thank you! 🍻

Your photo was a very deserving winner 👏

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Brilliant bites! Thank you Kaysia

Love your new rules of a gentleman collector. Happy the answer wasn’t “wear a white dial 36mm on a dark leather band (snore 😴) “

Your gentleman/ woman ideas should be summarized into some kind of ‘crunch ethos we aspire towards 🍻

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Fieldwalker

Brilliant bites! Thank you Kaysia

Love your new rules of a gentleman collector. Happy the answer wasn’t “wear a white dial 36mm on a dark leather band (snore 😴) “

Your gentleman/ woman ideas should be summarized into some kind of ‘crunch ethos we aspire towards 🍻

Thank you 🙏

I don't think there is a 'what we stand for' section anywhere in here, but there should be 👍

I think the 'white dial 36mm' certainly has its place, but I'd put it under etiquette (as I think someone else mentioned) rather than gentlemanly behaviour. I know many people who know the etiquette but not the manners 😏

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I always enjoy reading your bites and comments, Thank you Kaysia.

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IanCognito

Wow, a lot of effort goes into these weekly Bites! Well done @Deeperblue 👏 👏 👏

And thanks for picking my photo as one of the winners, @BigIona 😀👍

It was too good!! Well done.

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Adi365

I always enjoy reading your bites and comments, Thank you Kaysia.

Thank you for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed! 👍

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I like all the points on what makes a 'respectable' enthusiast. It really boils down to have fun, respect others' opinions and choices and keep a cool head; these are just watches after all.

The added self-awareness is where everyone doesn't always land as well and that's just a human condition. Many people don't ruminate on why they act the way they do or think the way they do. It can be a slippery slope I'll say, overthinking can also take you down a bad path (I'm sure many do this). So it's a fine balance of self-awareness and acceptance that I believe eventually leads to true enjoyment. Again, you can apply this to anything.

As I said in some other posts, I'm just a kid in a toy store. That general approach keeps it light and fun for me. Maybe not so much a gentleman but a well mannered gradeschooler.

Great post and effort as usual Kaysia!

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tonmed

I like all the points on what makes a 'respectable' enthusiast. It really boils down to have fun, respect others' opinions and choices and keep a cool head; these are just watches after all.

The added self-awareness is where everyone doesn't always land as well and that's just a human condition. Many people don't ruminate on why they act the way they do or think the way they do. It can be a slippery slope I'll say, overthinking can also take you down a bad path (I'm sure many do this). So it's a fine balance of self-awareness and acceptance that I believe eventually leads to true enjoyment. Again, you can apply this to anything.

As I said in some other posts, I'm just a kid in a toy store. That general approach keeps it light and fun for me. Maybe not so much a gentleman but a well mannered gradeschooler.

Great post and effort as usual Kaysia!

100% just kids playing with toys at the end of the day. That's a good dose of perspective we all need at times 🍻

Thank you for the kind words 👍

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I'd say I score about 2.5/5 too.

I do not enjoy my watch "journey", because that terminology emphasizes all the mistakes I have been making along the way. And deep down I resent the retail-therapy aspect of the hobby which I'm just as guilty of as the next man, ultimately resenting myself (and the next man too).

Some of the points go a little bit too British. The middle class British way is very often conflict-avoiding beyond the point I find constructive. Sometimes the natural outcome of a discussion is mutual disrespect. Unlikely to happen when discussing the choice between AquaTerra and BlackBay, but when the point of contention is Chinese watches or social gate-keeping flex culture then a respectful conclusion may be harder to come by. And sometimes realising that you just do not get along with person X is healthier than bending over backwards to keep the peace.

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That oil rig shot is something else!

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Very interesting read as always. Cocaine Bear was a very entertaining film imo, though now my friends think I'm some sort of psycho for laughing all the way through the ambulance scene (is it my fault the CG is so bad?!). You spotted the same watches as I did I believe, Swatches and Casios galore (I even spotted a first year Swatch!).

As to your gentleman enthusiast list, I think you may well have covered them all

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JaimeMadeira

There are, in the modern world of internet articles, listicles, and lifestyle gurus, two kinds of ladies and gentlemen.

The kind that dress to look the part, but are far from the actuality or historical nature of the words and their implications. (The eighties having seen that off with certainty) The Fashion variant as it were (or the disguised) and they are the people who will give Rolex a bad name. They are also the ones who keep fashion watches truly in business. After all, if your suit is Hugo or Chanel, so should your watch be — easy to read labels.

The kind that have more in common with the accepted true meaning of the words, that subscribe more to the characteristics you list. They are as likely to be wearing a diver, a G, a Baby G, or something utterly random, as anything more dressy or decorative — and are also more likely to see watches as unisex, as long as they fit.

It’s possible there is a third type, who embrace individuality by being unique in the exact same way as everyone else, but that is just fashion in general.

Fortunately or unfortunately, it’s not the watch that signifies which they are — though like a good reformed goth, odds are that if someone calls themselves a lady or a gentleman too much, they probably aren’t. Hot Topic Gentry (see: some of the Gentleman’s Gazzette’s more… debatable blog entries) vs Aktual Gentry (see: TGV for most of his output on Urban Gentry)

My tastes may not be the same as someone else’s, and while I reserve the right to good-humourly make jokes about Mercedes hands because I don’t like them, I won’t ever simply call them crap just because someone else does. An opinion is almost never superior or inferior, just different.

Gentlemens gazette, is he that over the top German guy?

Edit: oh yes he is! That dude was hilarious.

'A true Gentleman wears what he wants when he wants with confidence.'

'A true Gentleman never wears tennis socks as it makes him look like a peasant'

'These $650 gloves are affordable and tremendous quality'.

I watched one of his 19 things a gentleman should never wear vids years ago, heard every point and thought 'how about I do anyway'. Ain't no one on this Earth going to stop me rocking my NFFC jersey with cargo shorts and a rucksack.

Anyway back on topic- I agree with you. TGV and Ralph seem like 2 sides of the same coin. The way Ralph does it it seems a bit forced and disengenuine, almost like when he gets home he rips off his suit and jumps into trackies and a tank top. I have no doubt that TGV actually does act like that off camera.

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Scooby

Gentlemens gazette, is he that over the top German guy?

Edit: oh yes he is! That dude was hilarious.

'A true Gentleman wears what he wants when he wants with confidence.'

'A true Gentleman never wears tennis socks as it makes him look like a peasant'

'These $650 gloves are affordable and tremendous quality'.

I watched one of his 19 things a gentleman should never wear vids years ago, heard every point and thought 'how about I do anyway'. Ain't no one on this Earth going to stop me rocking my NFFC jersey with cargo shorts and a rucksack.

Anyway back on topic- I agree with you. TGV and Ralph seem like 2 sides of the same coin. The way Ralph does it it seems a bit forced and disengenuine, almost like when he gets home he rips off his suit and jumps into trackies and a tank top. I have no doubt that TGV actually does act like that off camera.

That’s only one of the team. Their watch guy is a young guy with a beard and what seem to be borrowed opinions. I started watching cos of the vintage stuff and history for some reason, they’re very good at that. But it’s more like a kind of… very earnest and occasionally funny cross between a documentary and a comedy, and an infomercial. They seem alright, tbh, but have a very skewed approach on some things.

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uhrensohn

I'd say I score about 2.5/5 too.

I do not enjoy my watch "journey", because that terminology emphasizes all the mistakes I have been making along the way. And deep down I resent the retail-therapy aspect of the hobby which I'm just as guilty of as the next man, ultimately resenting myself (and the next man too).

Some of the points go a little bit too British. The middle class British way is very often conflict-avoiding beyond the point I find constructive. Sometimes the natural outcome of a discussion is mutual disrespect. Unlikely to happen when discussing the choice between AquaTerra and BlackBay, but when the point of contention is Chinese watches or social gate-keeping flex culture then a respectful conclusion may be harder to come by. And sometimes realising that you just do not get along with person X is healthier than bending over backwards to keep the peace.

Yes, this is undoubtedly a heavily British (and also feminine) perspective.

I think the key is knowing when to step away from an argument. We are simply never going to be able to convince everyone about all our opinions and if a conversation seems to go in circles or starts to get heated beyond what is called for (it's only watches) then I would tend to just step away. (In theory anyway 😆... I can be pretty obstinate sometimes)