To Hell With Pin and Collar Bracelets

That is all

The last time I set a pin and collar, it drew blood. 聽That was a bad day.

I agree hence more leather straps for me 馃槈

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Pin and collar bracelets are a nightmare to adjust. One who never adjusted a ceramic Rado bracelet knows nothing about what it means to be afraid - you can easily shatter a link in the process.

However, the system is more durable than split-end pins.

MrBloke

Pin and collar bracelets are a nightmare to adjust. One who never adjusted a ceramic Rado bracelet knows nothing about what it means to be afraid - you can easily shatter a link in the process.

However, the system is more durable than split-end pins.

Split end pins鈥.. affordable watch collectors bane. Like garlic to a vampire. I have since swapped to rubber as my standard preference.聽

MrBloke

Pin and collar bracelets are a nightmare to adjust. One who never adjusted a ceramic Rado bracelet knows nothing about what it means to be afraid - you can easily shatter a link in the process.

However, the system is more durable than split-end pins.

Ceramic?! That's terrifying!

Ah, the dreaded Seiko pin and collar system....yeah its a PITA. 聽I use one of those old school fast food trays when dealing with these. 聽It helps to catch the small parts but occassionally I still loose parts!

The current Seiko bracelets are easy to adjust, as they are more or less a modified cotter pin that slides out after the first push, and goes back in just as easily. (The Tissot PRX I bought used more or less the same system w/o the removable collar.)

Now, a design with a solid pin can be a completely different experience. You can actually bend your pusher if you are not perfectly aligned. But I only see those on some Chinese bracelets and microbrands these days. Even AliExpress actual brands seems to have moved on to screws, which can also be a mixed bag.

Edge168n

The last time I set a pin and collar, it drew blood. 聽That was a bad day.

Every time I mess with a pin and collar bracelet, I stab myself and draw blood. Anymore, I just avoid them like the plague. 馃ぃ

SurferJohn

Ah, the dreaded Seiko pin and collar system....yeah its a PITA. 聽I use one of those old school fast food trays when dealing with these. 聽It helps to catch the small parts but occassionally I still loose parts!

This was on a Citizen but your point stands. Such fiddly little parts!

hbein2022

The current Seiko bracelets are easy to adjust, as they are more or less a modified cotter pin that slides out after the first push, and goes back in just as easily. (The Tissot PRX I bought used more or less the same system w/o the removable collar.)

Now, a design with a solid pin can be a completely different experience. You can actually bend your pusher if you are not perfectly aligned. But I only see those on some Chinese bracelets and microbrands these days. Even AliExpress actual brands seems to have moved on to screws, which can also be a mixed bag.

Oh man, you have no idea.

JLC (which makes otherwise excellent bracelets) uses exclusive pin and collar with a solid pin which I speared my finger on.

I'm pretty sure Patek uses pins and collars on the Nautilus. 聽

It's this weird dirty high horology secret.

Sigh

The worst. Screws for life.聽

i lose some pins when i resize the seiko bracelet 馃槩

Unholy

i lose some pins when i resize the seiko bracelet 馃槩

I swore I never would buy another P&C watch, but Seikos are hard to resist. I have it down to a science at this point, but still total pain in the butt.聽

I have dedicated bracelet sizing equipment but it all sucks when it comes to pin & collars.

I just sized up my new Christopher Ward Sealander GMT, which is P&C, and it couldn't have been easier. It was actually easier than the typical split pin Seiko type. Much more precise.聽